MaryJoy, I would like to mention first the copyright issue ; as I'm sure many will not read past the 1st or 2nd paragraph. You mention "copyrighted" (word or symbol) as the key - that is what struck me as so unusual ; in each pamphlet, on the Introduction page it says only "Sanford Charles Gladden Boulder, Colorado 1975 (All rights reserved)" Now some of the photos are attributed to photo collections ( "A.A. Paddock" , "Boulder Historical Society" , "CAMERA Files" , etc) but none are noted as copyright or "@". I am making no monetary gain at all from distributing, am therefore, in my mind making personal use under fair use laws and am more than willing to scan and forward to anyone who asks. Email me. Now , I'm forwarding your reply to the list. To join the list send an email to - COBOULDE-L-request@rootsweb.com - with the "subject" "subscribe" and only "subscribe" in the body of the email. This list is not that active but I'm on others that are and they can be invaluable. We're hoping to pump it up. Also messages are archived so it makes a great reference library. I know I have more on the beginning of Boulder ; it's just buried under a slob bachelors years and years of dust. And I'm really hoping someone in Boulder can make the climb up to the red rocks to photograph the marker. I was in the Marine Corp in Vietnam and we had a unit in our battalion called "Proud Rifles." This was strictly a nickname but even the officers used it when talking about the company. I've looked for the Boulder County Rifles and found nothing ; I suspect it may be a nickname. But I did find quite a bit on the 3rd Cavalry. I'm afraid they were an unsavory lot. The unit only existed for 100 days and they were the perpetrators of the Sand Creek Massacre. In fact I've seen references that describe the whole unit much as you described William Barney's temperament. St Vrain has always confused me. There is / was one in Weld County and in Boulder County. I think in these earliest records they must be referring to the one in Weld. I'll keep looking and hopefully someone in Boulder can get a photo of the plague. David

David, If I misunderstood your last email, please forgive me. However, you had some statements in your email about copyrights that need to be clarified. First, a work does not have to contain the word "copyright" or any symbol to make it copyrighted. It is automatically copyrighted at the time of creation. Secondly, a profit motive has nothing to do as to whether or not a copyright violation has occurred. An offer to distribute copyrighted material to a number of people is as much a violation as utilizing more than what is deemed to be fair use. We, as serious genealogists, would like to obtain as much information from others as possible. However, I would prefer that we obtain it in a legal method. Harvey Researching the following families: Bottoms/Bottom/Longbottom, Keas, Stribling/Stripling, Chambers, Hodges, Golden, Sweeney, Lovelace, Welch, Pettit, Cagle and others.

David, Part of your confusion about St. Vrain in Weld and Boulder County probably is because there is the St. Vrain Valley which lies along the St. Vrain Creek and covers the Niwot, Longmont, Mead, and some claim clear up to the Greeley area. In otherwords, it covers a large part of Eastern Boulder, Southern Larimer and Western Weld Counties. The St. Vrain runs right through Longmont. Burlington used to be located on its banks, and was subject to heavy flooding. One of the reasons they picked up the town and moved it up the hill to Longmont when the latter town was laid out. The creek, valley and of course Ft. St. Vrain (in Weld County) were names after the trader Ceran Ft. Vrain. As I understood it, MaryJoy was referring to the Longmont area when she was asking about first cabins etc., not Boulder. I may be wrong on that. Pauli > St Vrain has always confused me. There is / was one in Weld County and in > Boulder County. I think in these earliest records they must be referring to > the one in Weld.