This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XY.2ADE/520.1.1 Message Board Post: David, thanks for the info. This wiil help very much. I will have to do some comparisons on dates. You have provided some married names that have been talked about in the family. Thanks again, Jerry G.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XY.2ADE/520.2 Message Board Post: Jerry, One other thing - the Boulder County Clerks Office has an online index to their records at - http://icris.co.boulder.co.us/login.jsp . Records start in 1865 ; just put in Girardo under name and pick the dats you want to go from. I started with 01/01/1890. There are a lot of entries for Girardo but one that caught my eye was an instrument where the grantees were Angillo [sic] Girarbo, Mary Ronata Girardo and Maria Donata Girardo. Good luck David

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XY.2ADE/520.1 Message Board Post: Jerry, The Boulder Genealogical Society abstracted the Naturalization Records for Boulder County in 16 issues of their Quarterly Journal. In the November 1992 Vol 24 #4 issue are these two entries - "Girardo, Angelo INT 29 June 1904. Italy." "Girardo, Tony NAT 1 Nov 1904. He came from Italy to U.S. as a minor 14 yrs prev. Wit: Tony C.V. Romeo, James McGinnis." [INT=Intention ; NAT=Naturalized ; possible Dominic went by his middle name?] In the Nov 1995 Vol 27 #4 issue there was this entry - "Girardo, Angelo Marshall miner b Velina IT 1 Apr 1841 Naples/NY 1 Mar/1 Apr 1890.CO 1 Oct 1890 INT 29 June 1904 WIT Michael Kilhoffer, Michael Dunn, Marshall miners. NAT 10 Oct 1908/6 Oct 1909. WIFE:Ronata Mary b Velina IT. CH: b Velina; Carnella [sic] Gabrella 1 Apr 1874, Katherine Cavachia 25 Oct 1878, Mary Romeo 16 June 1882, Tony 25 Sept 1883, Thomas 15 July 1887, James 25 Nov 1889. All ch live in or near Marshall. [VOL 2} 58." I'm no expert on naturalization. Believe it says he was born Velina, sailed from Naples on 1 March and landed in New York on 1 April ; arrived in Colorado 1 October. I don't understand the double date on the Naturalization (NAT). I wonder if the "Ronata" is Mary's maiden name? Appears that the "Gabrella", "Cavachia" & "Romeo" are all married names. I wonder if Tony needed to go before Angelo because of some type of employment he was seeking? Hope this helps, David

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Girardo, Cavicci, Romeo Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XY.2ADE/520 Message Board Post: I am trying to trce my great granfather Angelo Girardo. He was born in Avigliano, Italy in 1840. His wife's name was Maria Teresa, we do not have a maiden name. Angelo emigrated to the US in 1889 or 1890. The family followed around 1894 to 1900. The family settled around Marshall and Boulder. They had seven children; Donato Vincenzo, Maria Carmela, Caterina, Vita Crescenzia, Domenic Antonio, Vito Thomas, James Canio. In 1900 the family was living in Marshall, Colorado. Please email me at ggirardo@yahoo.com if you have any genealogy information on this family. Thank you, Jerry Girardo

Hi all, I've seen St. Vrain a lot in early records ; the name applies to a valley area that spans 3 counties. I never know which they are referring to. Often when I see "Boulder" it is difficult to know if it is "city" or "county". Confusion is so confusing. Books are good for clearing confusion. One of the listers pointed me to " 'It Ain't Necessarily So' The Early Settlement of Boulder Set in Type--Cast in Bronze--Fused in Porcelain" by Tom Meier, published in 1993, Boulder Creek Press, Boulder, Co. Wasn't on Amazon and I couldn't find a website for Boulder Creek Press. Does anyone know if this is still available and if so where ? David

Harvey, I hate copyright. I had always hoped my low frustration threshold would rise as I aged . It hasn't and I occasionally pop off. Sorry list. David

David, Part of your confusion about St. Vrain in Weld and Boulder County probably is because there is the St. Vrain Valley which lies along the St. Vrain Creek and covers the Niwot, Longmont, Mead, and some claim clear up to the Greeley area. In otherwords, it covers a large part of Eastern Boulder, Southern Larimer and Western Weld Counties. The St. Vrain runs right through Longmont. Burlington used to be located on its banks, and was subject to heavy flooding. One of the reasons they picked up the town and moved it up the hill to Longmont when the latter town was laid out. The creek, valley and of course Ft. St. Vrain (in Weld County) were names after the trader Ceran Ft. Vrain. As I understood it, MaryJoy was referring to the Longmont area when she was asking about first cabins etc., not Boulder. I may be wrong on that. Pauli > St Vrain has always confused me. There is / was one in Weld County and in > Boulder County. I think in these earliest records they must be referring to > the one in Weld.

MaryJoy, I would like to mention first the copyright issue ; as I'm sure many will not read past the 1st or 2nd paragraph. You mention "copyrighted" (word or symbol) as the key - that is what struck me as so unusual ; in each pamphlet, on the Introduction page it says only "Sanford Charles Gladden Boulder, Colorado 1975 (All rights reserved)" Now some of the photos are attributed to photo collections ( "A.A. Paddock" , "Boulder Historical Society" , "CAMERA Files" , etc) but none are noted as copyright or "@". I am making no monetary gain at all from distributing, am therefore, in my mind making personal use under fair use laws and am more than willing to scan and forward to anyone who asks. Email me. Now , I'm forwarding your reply to the list. To join the list send an email to - COBOULDE-L-request@rootsweb.com - with the "subject" "subscribe" and only "subscribe" in the body of the email. This list is not that active but I'm on others that are and they can be invaluable. We're hoping to pump it up. Also messages are archived so it makes a great reference library. I know I have more on the beginning of Boulder ; it's just buried under a slob bachelors years and years of dust. And I'm really hoping someone in Boulder can make the climb up to the red rocks to photograph the marker. I was in the Marine Corp in Vietnam and we had a unit in our battalion called "Proud Rifles." This was strictly a nickname but even the officers used it when talking about the company. I've looked for the Boulder County Rifles and found nothing ; I suspect it may be a nickname. But I did find quite a bit on the 3rd Cavalry. I'm afraid they were an unsavory lot. The unit only existed for 100 days and they were the perpetrators of the Sand Creek Massacre. In fact I've seen references that describe the whole unit much as you described William Barney's temperament. St Vrain has always confused me. There is / was one in Weld County and in Boulder County. I think in these earliest records they must be referring to the one in Weld. I'll keep looking and hopefully someone in Boulder can get a photo of the plague. David

David, If I misunderstood your last email, please forgive me. However, you had some statements in your email about copyrights that need to be clarified. First, a work does not have to contain the word "copyright" or any symbol to make it copyrighted. It is automatically copyrighted at the time of creation. Secondly, a profit motive has nothing to do as to whether or not a copyright violation has occurred. An offer to distribute copyrighted material to a number of people is as much a violation as utilizing more than what is deemed to be fair use. We, as serious genealogists, would like to obtain as much information from others as possible. However, I would prefer that we obtain it in a legal method. Harvey Researching the following families: Bottoms/Bottom/Longbottom, Keas, Stribling/Stripling, Chambers, Hodges, Golden, Sweeney, Lovelace, Welch, Pettit, Cagle and others.

In a message dated 5/3/03 7:10:57 PM Central Daylight Time, pauli1028@msn.com writes: > If anyone can answer this ladies questions can you address your answer > directly to her. (Please post to the list too as I would like to know the > answers myself. > Pauli > > Subject: First cabin built in Boulder County > > Dear Pauli: > I have information that claims William Miles Barney (you have him in your > G.A.R. list as William N Barney) was the first person to build a cabin in > Boulder County. > The info I have on William M. Barney says he homesteaded in the St. Vrain > district It also says he was 1st Lt. in the Boulder County Rifles. Was > there such a thing as the Boulder County Rifles? Your G.A.R. listing has > him as a Sergeant, Company D, 3rd Colorado Cavalry. Would Boulder County > Rifles be in addition to this or part of this or simply made up by the > family? > > MaryJoy Martin > Montrose, CO Hi all, There were whites who moved in and out of the area much earlier. But the first white "settlers" were with Capt. Akins. Captain Thomas A. Akins led a party / company of men into the area in the fall of 1858. There were approximately 12 men in the party and they were the first white settlers in the area. For protection from both the coming winter weather and the often unfriendly locals (the real "first" settlers) they built cabins at the mouth of Boulder Canyon. [Obituary Boulder County News 26 April 1878:2 from "Boulder County, Colorado / Deaths and the Insane / 1859-1900 / Newspaper Abstracts / Mary McRoberts / Boulder, Co / July 1991"] They had been part of a larger party of gold miners who had stopped at the fort at St. Vrain. The rest of the group went on to the Denver area. From the pamphlet "Tales of Boulder for Young Folks - No.1 The beginnings of Boulder" by Sanford Charles Gladden : "About 12 men left the larger party and came to what was to be the city of Boulder. I won't give their names, as I have found a long list of names may be rather boring." SANFORD !!!!! He goes on to say "As a matter of fact, a marked has been put up where they camped, with their names on it." ( He says it is at "...those red rocks near the Memorial Hospital.") Has anyone there in the area seen this marker ? We would all appreciate if you could post to the list. Gold is what brought them to Boulder and gold is enticing. Mr. Gladden goes on to say that just 6 months later (after the worst of the winter) "in February, 1859, the town of Boulder City was started, and about 70 log cabins were built..." There are 2 photos and 2 lithographs in the pamphlet of Boulder at that time. Beautiful. I'm gun shy of copywrite ; but can scan and distribute if someone will tell me the "right" way to do it. Also, I know I've got more books around here with the names and other items of interest ; I'll keep looking. I'm not real familiar with Colorado GAR, all of my GAR was Pennsylvania and Iowa. I'll look for this Boulder County Rifles. Regards, David Knowles

This inquiry came to me via personal email. If anyone can answer this ladies questions can you address your answer directly to her. (Please post to the list too as I would like to know the answers myself. Pauli ----- Original Message ----- From: editor@spesindeopublications.com To: pauli1028@msn.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 6:14 PM Subject: First cabin built in Boulder County Dear Pauli: I have information that claims William Miles Barney (you have him in your G.A.R. list as William N Barney) was the first person to build a cabin in Boulder County. I cannot find this confirmed on your site, and suspect it is incorrect and there were others who built before him. Thus, is it possible for you to send me the names of those who are recorded as being the first to build cabins in the county? The info I have on William M. Barney says he homesteaded in the St. Vrain district (or got the ground by marrying Melissa Rannells, whose parents Samuel and Sarah Rannells homesteaded near Longmont). It also says he was 1st Lt. in the Boulder County Rifles. Was there such a thing as the Boulder County Rifles? Your G.A.R. listing has him as a Sergeant, Company D, 3rd Colorado Cavalry. Would Boulder County Rifles be in addition to this or part of this or simply made up by the family? The reputation of William Barney is as a boaster and bull-headed fellow, so his family stories might have been brightened a wee bit when he told them. He died in 1905. Thanks for your help. Once I get all this info straight, I'd be happy to contribute it to your website. MaryJoy Martin Montrose, CO

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XY.2ADE/516.2.1 Message Board Post: Thank you got all your assistance. Diana

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XY.2ADE/519 Message Board Post: Is all of the A. A. Paddock Photo Collection housed and owned by the Carnegie ? David

ref:Boulder County GenWeb , Family Stories Page I am always at a lose on how to properly interpret and apply "copywrite", "all rights reserved", etc. My question is what is the propriety of quoting excerpts from some pamphlets ? My intent would be to submit them to the above site for posting. I have checked the BGS site and notice that none are listed for sale. I am assuming they are out of print so there would be no monetary lose to BGS. Also I would properly cite my source with full attribution (and thanks) to Mr. Gladden. I have a series of pamphlets (7 in all) that Sanford Charles Gladden did in the 1970s that fit very nicely into certain sections of the Family Stories Page. They are mostly excerpts of newspaper articles with some historical commentary by him and often a number of old photographs. All of them have on the cover his name ; the title page has "by" and his name, date & address ; and the Introduction page has his name, date & address and "(All rights reserved)". They are : "Early Boulder Series" - "No. 1 Miscellany" "No. 2 Fire Protection" "No. 3A Education - Public Schools" "No. 4 Miscellany Number Two" "No. 5 Ladies of the Night" (The early newspapers were very "Victorian" in there wording and Mr. Gladden further censured by removing all names of ordinary Boulder residents ; but he did leave in the names of Madams & "soiled doves". Makes for interesting reading but perhaps all of the names need to be censured.) "Tales of Boulder for Young Folks" - "No. 1 The Beginnings of Boulder" "No. 2 Animal Tales From Boulder Newspapers" I have addressed various Boulder representatives and would appreciate your comments, David Knowles

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XY.2ADE/516.2 Message Board Post: Diana, I was just checking a few history files. In 1860, when they were married, the people of Jefferson Territory (future Colorado) meet and declared a county called Jefferson where the future Boulder was to be. At the time they were part of Kansas and the U.S. Government never recognized that assembly. In February 1861 the Territory of Colorado was recognized ; and in September of 1861 the first recognized territorial assembly met and declared 17 counties, among them Boulder. When Dr. Dean King and Vevy Smith married in December 1860 it certainly qualified as the "Wild West." David

Quoting small portions while giving credit due is allowable. The problems arise as to what constitutes this portion. Certainly, a line quoted out of a book is allowed. A paragraph, possibly. A chapter, no way. The book, absolutely not. Harvey Researching the following families: Bottoms/Bottom/Longbottom, Keas, Stribling/Stripling, Chambers, Hodges, Golden, Sweeney, Lovelace, Welch, Pettit, Cagle and others. -----Original Message----- From: CDKnow@aol.com [mailto:CDKnow@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:40 PM To: COBOULDE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COBoulder] Sanford Charles Gladden & Family Stories ref:Boulder County GenWeb , Family Stories Page I am always at a lose on how to properly interpret and apply "copywrite", "all rights reserved", etc. My question is what is the propriety of quoting excerpts from some pamphlets ? My intent would be to submit them to the above site for posting. I have checked the BGS site and notice that none are listed for sale. I am assuming they are out of print so there would be no monetary lose to BGS. Also I would properly cite my source with full attribution (and thanks) to Mr. Gladden. I have a series of pamphlets (7 in all) that Sanford Charles Gladden did in the 1970s that fit very nicely into certain sections of the Family Stories Page. They are mostly excerpts of newspaper articles with some historical commentary by him and often a number of old photographs. All of them have on the cover his name ; the title page has "by" and his name, date & address ; and the Introduction page has his name, date & address and "(All rights reserved)". They are : "Early Boulder Series" - "No. 1 Miscellany" "No. 2 Fire Protection" "No. 3A Education - Public Schools" "No. 4 Miscellany Number Two" "No. 5 Ladies of the Night" (The early newspapers were very "Victorian" in there wording and Mr. Gladden further censured by removing all names of ordinary Boulder residents ; but he did leave in the names of Madams & "soiled doves". Makes for interesting reading but perhaps all of the names need to be censured.) "Tales of Boulder for Young Folks" - "No. 1 The Beginnings of Boulder" "No. 2 Animal Tales From Boulder Newspapers" I have addressed various Boulder representatives and would appreciate your comments, David Knowles ==== COBOULDE Mailing List ==== Boulder County, Colorado COGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~coboulde/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XY.2ADE/518.1 Message Board Post: Hi, The Boulder County Clerks Office has an online index at ( http://icris.co.boulder.co.us/login.jsp ). One entry is a deed on 23 Nov 1931 from "Eastman Frank E exec Eastman Addie E estate." There was also on 15 July 1937 a receipt for inheritence tax from the State of Colorado to the Addie Eastman estate. You can write to them and get copies of these and they should also be able to find a will and / or probate for you. Hope this helps, David

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Eastman, Aikens Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XY.2ADE/518 Message Board Post: Seeking information on Addie or Adelaide Eastman listed in the 1920 Longmont, Boulder Co. census. She is a widow at that time. Married Rasselas Eastman in Winnebago County, Illinois on 24 April 1865. Two children found with the couple in the 1880 census for Lincoln, Polk Co., Iowa - Jennie, born abt. 1869 and George, born 1871.

> from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter (28 Apr 2003) at > http://www.rootsforum.com/ > > Proposed Federal Legislation is a Threat to Genealogists > > The following is from the California State Genealogical Alliance: > > FEDERAL LEGISLATION - A CALL TO ACTION > > At the federal level there are two bills on privacy and the use of > Social Security Numbers working > their way through the system. They are called the Social Security > Misuse Prevention Act. Granted, > the misuse of Social Security Numbers has gone on much too long, but > as the bills are worded, > it could spell the end of the Social Security Death Indexes. Even if > they were to exempt the > present Death Indexes, no further indexes could be developed. > > The Utah Genealogical Society has worked to get the authors to amend > the bill to protect the > continued availability of the death indexes, but so far there have > been no amendments. It is time > for the genealogy community to let Washington know how we feel. We > want people's privacy > protected, but we do not want to see this very important historical > research tool lost forever. It is > important to thousands of genealogists and family health historians. > > We ask that make the following amendments in S228 and HR637: > > 1. Under Sec. 3 (a)(1)(a) DEFINITIONS, add the following definition: > "SOCIAL SECURITY > NUMBER - The term 'social security number' refers to the social > security number of a living > individual." > > 2. Under Sec. 4 (a)(1)(e)(2) LIST OF PAPER AND OTHER NONELECTRONIC > RECORDS, delete > "(D) death certificates." > > You can contact the authors: > > S228 > > Senator Dianne Feinstein > 331 Hart Senate Office Bldg. > Washington, D.C. 20510 > (202) 224-3841/fax (202) 228-3954 > http://feinstein.senate.gov/email.html > > Senator Patrick J. Leahy > 433 Hart Senate Office Bldg. > Washington, D.C. 20510 > (202) 224-4242 > senator_leahy@leahy.senate.gov > > Senator Judd Gregg > 393 Hart Senate Office Bldg. > Washington, D.C. 20510 > (202) 224-3324 > mailbox@gregg.senate.gov > > HR637 > > Representative John E. Sweeney > 416 Cannon Office Bldg. > Washington, D.C. 20515 > (202)225-5614/Fax (202) 225-6234 > > To be added to the Network, send your name, name of your > organization, and e-mail address, > stating you wish to be added to the Legislative Network, to > ijones@accessbee.com. ---22 April > 2003, CSGA Legislative Network, Iris Carter Jones. > > [Permission is granted to reprint Legislative reports. Please cite > your source.] > > To discuss this story further, please visit the newsletter Discussion > Board at http://www.RootsForum.com and click on "Discussion Board."

Hi, I received a reply today from the Superior Historical Commission about the status of their project to restore this cemetery. The fence has been installed and is proving effective in keeping the prairie dogs out. Currently the gate is chained shut because of some damage to the hinges. Even so, I'm not sure they are allowing access right now. They are preparing grant applications so that next year they can restore the gravestones. They hope to contract with David Via who they call "one of the most highly recommended gravestone restorers in the country." Very good work and thank you Superior Historical Commission and Superior Historical Society. David Knowles