I offer this information with caution. Please use it only as a guide to further prove/disprove the line of Johann Georg Kobel. This comes from a letter written in 1988 to a Coble genealogy cousin of mine. I do not know the writer nor her sources. It was written in an attempt to see if our Coble/Kobel line somehow "fit" into the line of Johan Georg. It turns out that it doesn't, we do not descend from this line. So, here are portions of the letter that pertain to Johann Georg as written. "The line begins with a Hans Bernhard Kobel (Goble) born around 1630 in the Holy Roman Empire (area now in southern portion of West Germany). He m. an "Anna Maria" (surname not yet known). He was a lawyer. Among others they had a son named Hans Georg Gobel, baptized 3 Dec 1656 at Hoffenheim in the Bishopric of Speyer (H.R.E.) He m. (1) Eva Sonss at Hoffenheim, m. (2) 20 Jul 1700 at Hoffenheim, Maria Elizabetha Gilbert. He died -- May 1713 at Hoffenheim. He was a court counselor. Among others, Hans Georg and Eva (wife #1) had 2 sons who came to Pennsylvania: (by wife #1 he had 10 children but only 2 we know of who came to America). A. Jacob KOBEL b. 1682 Hoffenheim, Bishopric of Speyer B. Johann Georg KOBEL (Gobel) bap. 4 Jun 1693 Hoffenheim, Bishopric of Speyer. By his 2nd wife, Maria Elizabetha Gilbert, he had 4 additional children. We know for certain at least one came over at a later date. He is: C. Johann Nicholas KOBEL b. 27 Jun 1701 Hoffenheim, Bish. Speyer. Jacob Kobel (A.) married a girl named "Anna Maria" in 1708 in Hoffenheim, and in 1710 Jacob and Anna Maria emigrated. They were in a repatriation camp for some time at Nutting. Their first baby, b. ca 1709, d. there at Nutting. In 1711 they were at Livingston Manor, East Camp. Later (by 1714) they moved on to Schoharie, New York. They were there for some time, until about 1726 or so, when they migrated down to Tulpehocken Twsp. in Berks Co. PA. I am told that there are quite a number of Cobles who descend from this Jacob. He did NOT migrate south, in fact, I don't believe any of his immediate descendant lines went to No. Carolina. (Listed are their 10 children, I will not list them as they are already well documented. Jean) Johann Georg Kobel/Gobel (B.) is the younger brother of Jacob (A.). This Johann Georg came over in 1733. We have him well-documented on both sides of the "pond". He and his family came to Phil. in 1733 and settled in Lancaster area of Lancaster Co. then later to Hanover which after 1749 was in York Co. Around 1750 and on to 1760 or so, all of Johann Georg's married sons left PA. and relocated in Guilford and Alamance Co.'s NC. In PA. and in Hoffenheim this branch always spelled it GOBEL. It wasn't until virtually 1800 that they got all the NC descendant branches to use COBLE. I know of NO male descendant line of Johann Georg GOBEL (B.) that stayed in PA. Johann Nicholas Kobel (C.) came over in 1752, stayed only briefly in York Co. PA. then south to Guilford County with half-brothers." END As we discussed on this list, Johann Georg (B.) emigrated 28 Aug 1733 on the Ship Hope. All of his 12 children were born in Hoffenheim, with the exception of his last born child Johannes who was born 28 Aug 1734 in York Co. PA. Johannes died 1791 in Shrewsbury Twsp. York Co. PA. Johann Georg (B.)1693-1765 married Maria Barbara GEISLER, b ca 1695 in Hoffenheim. It is Johann Georg's son Antonius/Anthony Kobel, born 24 Aug 1717 Hoffenheim, that my notes show married Maria Barbara Summers, b ca 1720 in Guilford, N.C. This is not my line and I have no proof of the marriage to Summers. Does anyone know if a marriage record has been found for Antonius/Anthony in North Carolina? That would give you the needed proof and put an end to the question of......who did Anthony marry! Jean