Mary, Ben and others researching this line. Ben-I think that you are "speaking" to me when you asked for the source for the marriage record and birth record for Anna Margaretha LOFFEL and her siblings. The source is included in my message, the volume and page number. If I have not answered your question, please let me know. Mary-There are several people on this list that also descend from this line. Can anyone help here? I suggest that you check the archives at RootsWeb. This is where all the messages to the list are stored. The address is: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl type in KOBEL, then you can be specific using a name. For example, Barbara SUMMERS. It will bring up all the previous messages that contain the words Barbara Summers. Please continue to send your replies to the list so that we can follow this thread. Jean Kobel and Coble list manager