One other thing...we also have documentation that John Coats in Logan County KY is the same John Coats that gives the power of attorney for the sale of land in Kershaw County SC...now is this John Coats wife Ann Dunnigan, he was suppose to have gone through Knox or McMinn County TN...if he did there is no record of him there...but we have a solid documented record of a John Coats in Logan County KY with a connection to Chester/Kershaw County...so one could conclude that John Coats wife Ann Dunnigan is the John in Logan County KY passing through maybe Knox or McMinn Counties in TN but I suspect you'll spend a ton of time trying to find documentation of that... I have an old history that shows Sylvester Baker as Ann Baker Coats father, with documentation we've disproven that, her ather was John Baker out of Wilson County TN...so it can be done...but it takes a lot of digging... The other problem is that so many of these birth dates are just plain guesses or estimates... Char On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > Who is John R.? > > This is my understanding of this group: > > John Coats m Ann Dunnigan - who at times is called Maj. although > coming from the South that may or may not be a valid Military term... > > James Robert Coats m Elizabeth Webster > > William Coats m Francis - Newberry/Kershaw County SC > > We know from DNA that these groups are related but we don't know how > from the documents and I'm not sure we'll ever know, since so many > documents were destroyed in the South....we also know that at least > William Coats w Francis has documented connections with Notley Coats, > whose father is Charles Coats wife Sophia in Frederick/Montgomery MD - > Notley as well as at least one documented brother a James Coats and > other documents showing a connection with others in this SC > grouping... > > We have the documentation for John Coats m Ann Dunnigan their son was > James Green Coats, he was the executor in both their probates I > believe...that is a provable fact...as well as their other kids are > listed in the probates... > > I don't keep track of what is below other than in my line...but I > don't think unless old research is referenced or documented we can > rely on it... > > That's all I'm saying John....too many of these old histories have > been just accepted, I'd rather not do that with my family...however, > anyone else is free to do as they wish... > > There is indeed another James Coats in Bedford County TN who got a > land grant in TN from North Carolina, I suspect that is where the > North Carolina group of Coats and my line got mixed up... > > Look folks, provide me with documentation and I'm more than willing to > accept a line or good circumstancial evidence I will look at...but > with circumstancial evidence you can go a lot of different directions > on that... > > And I'd be just delighted to have someone disprove anything I say with > documentation...that is what research is all about....:) > > Family stories are great to a certain extent but unless you can > provide some type of references, they are just family stories...recall > at least two branches of my family have a story of a James Coats early > ancestor...that is still possible but if I'm too hard in that > direction I might miss clues that would take me to documentation that > could really connect this family with their past and I'd just rather > not do that.... > > So that's where I'm coming from...much conflict in family lines, not a > lot of answers yet....:) > > Char > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 8:31 AM, John Coats <jwcoats@htc.net> wrote: >> Dear List; The lineage I submitted came from the family history done by >> DeLeonardis, paid for by Sue Coats-Sumrall. Most of the earliest line >> cames from the Madison Coats Bible, which I've never seen a copy of, but >> it must be out there somewhere. The line back to James Robert was >> entirely correct as far as I can prove by wills, deeds, and censuses. It >> shows the first five kids were born in Robertson County, Ky-Tenn, where >> there definitely was a boundary line dispute, just as there was between >> Ohio and Michigan. When those counties were split up, Robertson >> definitely didn't get any records. They may be in Ky or Davidson, Tn. >> There were probably two James Coatses in the war of 1812 from TN. Maybe >> John R. served also, and that is where he got the Major. Later, both >> families were in Green, AL. There are land transactions for John R. >> Several of Jameses kids were born there before he moved to Lauderdale, >> MS. James left a farm there with one of his kids. >> >> It is very easy to be negative and critical, but if we can't accept >> anything based on family histories, what reason is there to go on. We >> have to accept a small amount based on empirical evidence backed up by DNA. >> John W. Coats >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal > registration number before you buy!! 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