It is indeed unfortunate, but there are a lot families that tie either to the Mayflower or to the American Revolution and their lines just haven't been recorded in either society and today trying to research these records is just overwhelming!! Not to mention that it really depends on who checks the records...I have at least one Rev ancestor that DAR has taken out of their books...for what reason I have no idea...his widow got a pension, all his records are in her pension file, her father was a Rev soldier and they accepted the papers for him...so I have come to the conclusion it depends on who is checking the records at the other end when it comes to how folks connect...and believe me when you get into these records it really does become guess work unless you have a will or something...or some specific reference to who is who and who went where!! D.A.R. is also requiring a lot more original paperwork now than they have in the past....my ancestor they rejected was proven in the early or mid 1800s by his granddaughter...seems she should know...??? I really think DNA is going to have to be the answer....:) Another note on those Coats in MD: what I saw was the word court in MD was spelled coart, so if that is the case, then Coarts could be spelled Courts as well...I'm still trying to figure out how they got Coarts for Coats or even visa versa...except in the East even today they seem to put an *r* sound in a lot of their words...I'm thinking Idea which they sometimes pronounce Idear....but I don't know, spelling so much went with the sound and I suspect Coats in MD was pronounced differently than Coats in SC, but the MD and SC group of Coats sure seems to fit ... no indication where they came from before MD or where Charles sr went at this point...as I recall there was quite a gap between time periods with the early group of Coats there...we just don't have enough info yet.... Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: Susan McIntyre <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Coates in early MD Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:02:53 -0400 Not quite..... besides the John Coates on the 1619 passenger list found in "Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly" (included in my last email) there is.... Early Virginia Immigrants; 1623-1666 (including person who sponsored the immigrant to America) Coate, Abraham, 1642, by John Benton, ---- Co. Coates, John, 1650, by Henry Peaseley, ---- Co. Coats, Jon., 1643, by William Ewins, James City Co. side note - You know there are some surname researchers who are working desperately to join the Mayflower Society (another list) - I wonder if they realize that there were colonists established in Virginia at the time the Pilgrims landed - it's amazing what the right PR can do for an organization.... Linda J. Coate wrote: >Boy, there is a John Coates in 1668 in the Maryland records below. He >could be the earliest Coates in the colonies. Does anyone know how these >groups of Coates are related? > >Linda Coate > > > ><http://www.ancestrees.com/> ==== COATES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send the command "unsubscribe" to [email protected] (if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in digest mode.) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/