Thank you for all your responses. The reason I ask the question is. For some reason I am showing William Coate (Coats) {husband of Rachel Budd}Will as Newberry Co, So. Carolina -Estate Box 121 then, List of Williams children and birth dates are only available in Mrs. Sumrall's book I am not sure where the Estate Box 121 is from . I am showing a marriage date of William Coate and Rachel Ann Budd as 31 MAY 1722 in Burlington, New Jersey Also, show William Coate and Rebecca Allen French Sharp as the parents of William . I do have written in my notes : Source Hanson Family?? Does anyone have any ideas? According to the Hanson Family : A list of Williams children and birth dates are only available in Mrs. Sumrall's book, but they are not reliable because the genealogy starts with birth of children before they married.There are considerable differences in dates and children by the time the genealogy had reached this point. The Newbold or Comly collections gave nothing on the line of this family. So birthdates are not reliable. William probably moved south to obtain cheaper land. He appeared in Camden, S. Carolina in 1762. This Family seems to be very knowledgeable on the grouping. Cher have you heard of Newbold or Comly collections. Has anyone else seen this? I have another question? Did Mrs. Sumrall have children? I was wondering if her children inherited her notes,documentation and etc. If so maybe she has some other sources?? But, this Hanson family seems to know when William and Rachel were married. I just thought it "Very Interesting". Robbie

Charlotte is right. It is only family tradition that she is the wife of William Coate. We have not found William in any estate record in Newberry, SC. We have first hand proof that he is not the son of William and Rebecca Sharp Coate from a 1783 Hunderdon Co. N.J. Deed between Barzilla and his sisters, other children of William and Rebecca Sharp Coate that clearly states that all of other brothers besides Barzilla had died without having issue (without having children). William and Rachel Ann Budd are presented that incorrect way with all the dates being impossible like Hansen states in the published genealogy of President Hoover. It is one of the family branches that is often published incorrectly when studied against first hand records. Here are the only two possible records I've been able to find that might apply to Rachel Ann Budd. Does anyone know who the Will for Rachel Coate in Northern Liberties, PA could apply to other than Rachel Ann Budd Coate?? (It's the second document below) The only first hand record we've found that appears to apply to this Rachel Ann Budd, is a Quaker marriage between Jacob Garwood and Elloner Oustlon? in 1732 in Burlington Co., NJ where the witnesses include a William Coate in the men's column listed right next to an Ann Coate in the woman's column. There is no other Ann Coate known living in the area at the time with that being her maiden or married name. The only possible other person it could apply to would be an unknown wife of the William Coate who I have listed as the son of William and Deborah Powell Coate of co. Somerset, England born in 1708. The reason it is more likely to be this Rachel Ann Coate instead is because another witness to the marriage was a Marmaduke Coate (likely brother to the William Coate listed as the spouse of Rachel Ann Budd). (C-2280) There was also a Rachel Coats, widow to a William Coats, who left the following will. We have not been able to account for which Rachel and William Coats this applies to. In other words, it could be this William Coats and Rachel Ann Budd. Recorded Will book P, p.408. Her will is transcribe by me as follows: In the Name of God amen the Sixth day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand Seven hundred and Sixty nine I Rachel Coats Widow of William Coats late of the Northern LIberties deceased being very sick & weak in body but of pefect mind and memory thanks be given unto God for the same and calling to mind the mortality of my body and knowing that it isa appointed for all women ( ) to die do make and ordain this my last Will and Testatment, that is to say, Principally and first of all I give & recommend my Sole into the hands of God that gave it and ( ) Body recommend it to the Earth to be buried in tha Christian like and decent manner at the direction of my Executors Impr( ) I do order that in the first place (mony) Just debts & funeral charges be paid and satisfied. And (reaching) much ( ) ( ) Estate wherewith it ( ) pleased God to Bless me in this life I give devise & disperse of the Same ( ) and (f ) following: That is today, In the (f ) I give and bequethed to my dearly beloved Grandson Theobald Ent along right ( ) and property of what I have at or near mount hally, but in case the aforsaid Theobald Ent doth not live to the age of one and twenty years and die without heirs then the above right and property shall come to my dearly beloved grand daughter Rachel Sahler and likewise all my household goods and furniture as bed bedding furniture and every other Individual thing or article Its my wish that after my decease my dearly beloved Grandson Joseph Hope will shall have the sum of twenty pounds ( ) lawful money of (p ) as to be paid to him out of my estate and likewise my dearly beloved Granddaughter Sarah Miller to have the like sum of twenty pounds paid to her after all my just debts and charges be paid and in each there should not be left so much not to pay them or either of them their twenty pounds then to pay them both share alike of what there be left and I do hereby make and ordain my loving friend and Son in Law Abraham Sahler my sole executor of this my last Will and Testament ratifying and allowing this and no other to being last Will and Testament In Witness where of I have here unto set my Hand and Seal the day and year above written Rachel Coats in her last Willa and Testament in the presence of Johannes G(rofs) Frederick ( ). Philadelphia May 14th 1773, Personally appeared Johannes Gross, Frederick Hesser (Shittlinesen) to the forgoing Will and on Oath did declare that they saw and heard Rachel Coats the Testatrix therein named Sign Seal and publish and declare the same Will found as her last Will and Testatment and that at the Execution thereof she was of Sound diposing Mind Memory & understanding to the best of their knowldege and Belief ( )Benjamin ( ) Reg. Genl. Be it remembered that on the 14th Day of May 1773 The last Will and Tesament of Rachel Coates deceased in du form of law was proved and probate and Letters Testimentary thereof are granted To Abraham Sahler Sole Executor in the said Will named being first duty sworn well and truly to Administer the said deeds Estate and being ( ) there of into the Refister GEnerals Office at Philadelphia ( ) before the 14th day of June next, and ( tive) amount of these Admistration on or before the 15th day of May 1774 or when the( ) Legally required, Given (recorder) the Seal of the said Office .... of Benjamin (Chew) Reg. Genl. (C-2384) At 11:49 AM 7/10/2004, you wrote: >Thank you for all your responses. > >The reason I ask the question is. > >For some reason I am showing William Coate (Coats) {husband of Rachel >Budd}Will as Newberry Co, So. Carolina -Estate Box 121 >then, >List of Williams children and birth dates are only available in Mrs. >Sumrall's book > >I am not sure where the Estate Box 121 is from . > >I am showing a marriage date of William Coate and Rachel Ann Budd as 31 >MAY 1722 in Burlington, New Jersey > >Also, show William Coate and Rebecca Allen French Sharp as the parents of >William . > >I do have written in my notes : Source Hanson Family?? Does anyone have >any ideas? > >According to the Hanson Family : >A list of Williams children and birth dates are only available in Mrs. >Sumrall's book, but they are not reliable because the genealogy starts >with birth of children before they married.There are considerable >differences in dates and children by the time the genealogy had reached >this point. The Newbold or Comly collections gave nothing on the line of >this family. So birthdates are not reliable. William probably moved south >to obtain cheaper land. He appeared in Camden, S. Carolina in 1762. > >This Family seems to be very knowledgeable on the grouping. > >Cher have you heard of Newbold or Comly collections. > > >Has anyone else seen this? > >I have another question? Did Mrs. Sumrall have children? I was wondering >if her children inherited her notes,documentation and etc. >If so maybe she has some other sources?? > >But, this Hanson family seems to know when William and Rachel were married. > >I just thought it "Very Interesting". >Robbie > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== >Find out where your Coate/s family fits. Join the Coats/Coates/Coate DNA >Project, http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/dna.htm LINDA COATE, Columbus, Ohio [email protected] www.ancestrees.com