Hi Linda, Boy I have been away from Coates research for awhile - sorry for taking so long to reply to your question but I had to go back through my files and refresh my memory on what I did and why since this group is not my direct line. First let me list my sources... ====================== Ancestry.com lists in their Philadelphia PA Church Records 1709-60 (I don't trust them so I requested a copy of the book yesterday) ----------------------- Mary Coates - wife of Warick buried 1/10/1744 ------------------------ as children for Warwick Coats (no wife listed) John Coats - buried 29/3/1744-5 Rebecca - buried 3/12/1750 ---------------------- as children for Warwick & Rebecca Coats Rebecca Coats - born 14/6/1760 baptism 15/8/1760 Mary Coats - born 8/10/1741 baptism 25/11/1750 John Coats - born 26/12/1745 baptism 25/11/1750 Sarah Coats - born 15/10/1747 baptism 25/11/1750 Rebekkah Coats - born 8/11/1749 baptism 25/11/1750 William Coats - born 12/9/1754 baptism 4/10/1758 Joseph Coats - born 22/8/1758 baptism 4/10/1758 -------------------------- ____? Coats - Warwick son of Warwick buried 2/11/1758 ========================== in the book "Pennsylvania Births Philadelphia Co. 1644-1765" by John T. Humphrey Records of Christ Church Coats/Coates Rebecca 14 Jun 1760 Warwick & Rebecca John 26 Dec 1745 Warwick & Rebekkah Joseph 22 Aug 1758 Warwick & Rebecca Mary 8 Oct 1741 Warwick & Rebecca Rebekkah 8 Nov 1749 Warwick & Rebekkah Sarah 15 Oct 1747 Warwick & Rebecca William 12 Sep 1754 Warwick & Rebecca ==================== In Warwick Coates 1781/1782 will he lists children - John, Warwick Jr., William, Sarah Moreland, grandchildren Clement & Rebecca Plumstead children of daughter Mary Plumstead. ------------- note - the name Warwick is also mentioned as a son of William Coates in his 1783 will, a son of John in his 1764/1760 will, a cousin of William Coats in his 1779/1780 will and a brother in law to Richard Wright Jr. in his 1748 will. In Delaware deeds - 1768 Warwick of Phila. w. Rebecca, Sarah Faulkner (late Penrose), Mary Dutton (widow), Robert & Jane Knox, Susannah Coats (widow), Isaac Snowden and Emanuel Eyres - last 3 are exec of Abraham Coats [dec'd] will. Warwick, Sarah, Mary, Jane & Abraham were children of John Coats Sr. [dec'd] and wife Mary Hale [dec'd]- d/o Warwick Hale [dec'd] ======================= (found much later in my research) per "Chronicles of the Plumstead Family" by Eugene Devereux Thomas Plumstead married August 16, 1762 to Mary, daughter and only child of Warwick and Mary Coats. She was born in Philadelphia October 8, 1741 - died August 10, 1780. Issue - Clement Plumstead b. Sept. 4, 1763 & Rebecca b. March 8, 1765 m Benjamin Hutton. Additional notes on Warwick, eldest son of John and Mary (Hale) Coats - born in Philadelphia Nov. 3, 1715, died Feb. 12, 1782 - married prior to 1741, Mary____ (no record found of marriage) she died Oct. 1, 1744. Warwick Coats by a second wife had several children. ========================= Your site lists - ---children of Warwick & Mary - Mary b. 10/8/1741 d. 8/10/1780 m. Thomas Plumstead John b. 10/2/1744 d. 3/29/1745 ---children of Warwick & Rebecca John b 12/26/1745 d. 4/30/1788 Sarah b. 10/15/1747 d. aft. 1782 Rebecca b. 11/8/1749 d. bef. 12/3/1750 Warwick b. aft. 1751 d. aft. 4/30/1788 William b. 9/12/1754 d. aft 3/1783 Mary b. bef. 1757 d. bef. 1781 m. unknown Plumstead Joseph b. 8/22/1758 d. 11/2/1758 Rebecca b. 6/14/1760 d. bef. 1782 ==================== I see what I did originally was simply list the 5 children named in Warwick's 1782 will. I never went back and re-arranged the children after I found more details on Warwick. Even with that said I am still not certain that Warwick & Mary did not have more than 2 children and that Warwick & Mary had more than 7. To begin with the records indicate that Mary was born in 1741 which is during the time that Warwick was married to Mary - but the church records list her mother as Rebecca - I think because Mary was not baptised until 11/25/1750 during the period that Warwick was married to Rebecca - so Mary Coats/Plumstead should be listed as Mary's child not Rebecca's. Mary & Warwick Coats are stated to have only one child according to the Plumstead book but that could simply mean that she was the only one to survive to adulthood. The various records show that there was a John s/o Warwick died 3/1744-5 and Mary w/o Warwick died 10/1744 we can safely assume that this child was from Warwick's marriage to Mary. __? Coats - Warwick s/o Warwick died 11/2/1758 - highly unlikely to be a grandchild of Warwick Srs. because we know that the Warwick Jr. who survived to be mentioned in Warwick Sr.'s 1782 will was married to Sarah Kelly 5/11/1777 (I cannot find Warwick Coats m. to Mary Plumstead even in the Plumstead book - oddly that is the name of his deceased sister). So I'm assuming that the burial entry was for Warwick Coats s/o Warwick and that it was entered into the records or database incorrectly. If I am correct there was another son of Warwick Sr. who was named Warwick but died 1758. Without more details there is no way to determine who his mother was. I do notice that you have Joseph s/o Warwick & Rebecca with a date of death 11/2/1758 which is the same as listed for Warwick s/o Warwick - do your sources show two sons dying on the same day or is Joseph and Warwick jr. the same person? So I am adjusting my data base to show - --Children of Warwick & Mary -- Mary John possibly Warwick d. 1758 - although he could be a son of Rebecca instead. --Children of Warwick & Rebecca -- John Sarah Rebecca William Joseph Rebecca Warwick d. aft 1782 Sorry if my sloppy work on Warwick's family caused any confusion - let me know if you agree with my latest conclusions or if I need to do some more adjusting.... Thanks for questioning me so I knew to go back and finally make those corrections, Susan Linda J. Coate wrote: > Who are Warwick's five children by Mary? LInda Coate > At 03:51 PM 7/10/2004, you wrote: > >> If have been away from Coates research for awhile - working on other >> surnames but the Northern Liberties in Philadelphia, PA is one of my >> groups also. >> >> a simple outline would be -- >> >> > > <http://www.ancestrees.com/>