Yes, both the Newbold and Pemberton families have collections in the LDS, notes as I recall...but they both show a connection to the Coats' in SC through this old Coats genealogy....that William Coats in 1762, let's see Camden would be the William Coats on Kings Creek in Newberry County, son was Barton Coats...but I don't know that he came to Camden in 1762....I've not checked the records of the Maryland connection with this group i.e. Notley and Charles Coats of Chester and Newberry Counties...but it is quite possible they are brothers and came to SC from Maryland, their father being named Charles as well, but the name is spelled Coarts in MD...so that needs to be checked to make sure...and what connection these two have with William on Kings Creek I don't know....I think there was also a John Coarts in those MD tax lists...but the lists at the Maryland State Archive web site, didn't give as much detail as the lady who did the research on the Gore's...by the way, she was researching the name Notley because her ancestor was Notley Gore....it is quite possible, they are related and all came from MD, but I've just not gotten any info from Maryland yet...in other words, there are several Coarts/Coats in MD that need to be checked out that may connect to this group in SC...that was Fredericks County MD, as I recall... The other William in Newberry County SC is the William Coats on Bush River with a 1766 date I think it was, this is the William Coats, that I believe was and is connected to Big John Coats in SC...although not all agree with this...it is quite possible that this William might be the one taken as Big John's son, but how he and Big John Coats are connected I don't know...it might be possible that they are brothers or cousins as well.... Nope we've been all through those will and deed records in Newberry County SC...no William Coats and Rachel Budd.....no mention of Coats in the Budd records in Philly..the only William Coats in SC that left wills were: William Coats, wife Mary; William Coats wife Elizabeth, William Coats wife Frances and I do believe that was it...this William Coats w Elizabeth could be the son of William w Mary, but there is also a William Coats that had some connection with Henry Coats in SC...seems to me later than when William Coats w Elizabeth died, about the 1830s I think that was, I've not looked at any of these record in awhile...but not sure if this William Coats with Henry Coats is the same as any of the other William Coats in the area... As far as kids for any of these early Coats, the only ones I'd say that at this point are accurate are those found in the Will records...or land records...i.e. a probate deed showing all the heirs or other records showing kinship...anything other than that is just speculation.... That's why we need these State archive records online!!! Ah, just had to put a plug in there....:) Wouldn't it be nice to just click on a state archive, locate the county, click on Will Book A and just go to town looking through them....:) well, maybe our grandkids will be able to do that...wouldn't it be nice if each state archive got the funding to hire at least one person to oversee the scanning and posting of these records online....:) Maryland, says it takes two weeks to scan a roll of film so how come SC has been at it for 2 years, they have the confederate civil war records up and others, but it's taking awhile to do it...they really do need a dedicated person to get these online....anyway, off the soap box....:) Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Robbie Griggs Landry" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [COATES-L] William Coats and Rachel Budd Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:49:56 -0500 Thank you for all your responses. The reason I ask the question is. For some reason I am showing William Coate (Coats) {husband of Rachel Budd}Will as Newberry Co, So. Carolina -Estate Box 121 then, List of Williams children and birth dates are only available in Mrs. Sumrall's book I am not sure where the Estate Box 121 is from . I am showing a marriage date of William Coate and Rachel Ann Budd as 31 MAY 1722 in Burlington, New Jersey Also, show William Coate and Rebecca Allen French Sharp as the parents of William . I do have written in my notes : Source Hanson Family?? Does anyone have any ideas? According to the Hanson Family : A list of Williams children and birth dates are only available in Mrs. Sumrall's book, but they are not reliable because the genealogy starts with birth of children before they married.There are considerable differences in dates and children by the time the genealogy had reached this point. The Newbold or Comly collections gave nothing on the line of this family. So birthdates are not reliable. William probably moved south to obtain cheaper land. He appeared in Camden, S. Carolina in 1762. This Family seems to be very knowledgeable on the grouping. Cher have you heard of Newbold or Comly collections. Has anyone else seen this? I have another question? Did Mrs. Sumrall have children? I was wondering if her children inherited her notes,documentation and etc. If so maybe she has some other sources?? But, this Hanson family seems to know when William and Rachel were married. I just thought it "Very Interesting". Robbie ==== COATES Mailing List ==== Find out where your Coate/s family fits. Join the Coats/Coates/Coate DNA Project, http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/dna.htm _________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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