That is correct John....:) Although our William and Charles lived in Newberry and William died in Kershaw County, SC, they are a separate group of Coats out of Maryland...I suspect they are all brothers but again no records yet to prove they are brothers or cousins to each other...the info on our group has now gone into MD but we still don't know how Charles in MD was connected and that New England area is still very much under researched...although there has been much speculation on connections, documentation is still very much lacking in that New England area...which is very interesting since, that area has some really really good records...so Charles in MD could very well have come out of any of the surrounding areas...where records are not so forthcoming...In the SC group of brothers and/or cousins in our line, I suspect there is: William, Charles, John, Notley and James...also I do believe Notley may have been the executor on that deed of William's...Notley and Netty could very easily be a mistaken interp for that deed...Netty was thought to be Notley's wife but it makes more sense that Notley was an executor rather than Netty, so that also lends more *documentation* that William of Newberry/Kershaw was a brother to the rest...but like Curt says we still don't know what happened to WIlliam land in MD, no record as of yet has been found that he sold it, we also don't know about the wife's name of Mary in MD and Frances in SC....was she a Mary Frances or was Frances a second wife... Most of the analyses has been centered in SC but it will be records out of that area that will give us some better indications of all these...Frances' dad and my Dad both believed that Rev Will's dad was a James, although I do believe the documentation is good now that Rev Will's father was William of Kings Creek and his mother at least was Frances. I think it was Frances' father or Mrs. Rohwer who thought that James in Georgia was the James in our group and that part of his family went down into Jefferson County GA...I believe the Charles in Jefferson County GA was the Charles from Kelly's Creek in SC, no indication in the records as to what happened to his wife...but he and a James, who I believe was his son could have been James the brother, since I'm not sure what happened to him...James I think gets a land grant in GA about 1784, much later than when William and Charles first show up in SC in 1772/1773 There is also a John Coats, that had land excepted from a Deed to Thomas Coats in SC, this could very well mean he was a son of Thomas although he's not mentioned in any other records...the major problem in this area, is that so many earlier researchers have just assumed that all those of a like name in SC were the same person...and getting out of that old train of thought is not easy....:) So with so much speculation in the records, that makes the DNA results that much more important....:) Y'all have a wonderful Labor Day week end!! Char On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, John Coats <jwcoats@htc.net> wrote: > Dear Group, Sorry if I mislead or confused anyone with my latest > posts. After looking at some old records, I see that John Sr. was > probably the son of John Gentleman Coats. At least that's what I got > from Linda Coate. If that is true, then the R1a1 group of Coatses is > separate from all those who descended from Gentleman John and Marmaduke > Coats. I didn't know John Sr. was a son of John Gent. That means my > James Robert, Charlotte's Rev Will, and Buster's Major John were an > altogether separate group. > > When I uploaded our R1a1 results to Nat Geo, they have us on the map > splitting off from those who continued up North and West and became the > Vikings. The map shows the M-17 group coming Southeast to the Russian > Steppes and becoming the Kurgan Culture. Of course that would have been > 10,000 years ago. Who knows where they left from to come to the US. My > guess is they migrated westward and came from Scotland, England or > Ireland. Best Regards, John W. Coats P.S. Linda, I'm still looking for > the papers of Gary Coates of Whitehall, Ill. 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