Dear List, Hello from UK. I have a William Coates Bc 1815 who left UK (Yorkshire) possibly in the 1840's. He lived Palmyra, New York State, Married Christianna Chapman in 1846, his son John.C.Coates was born 1847.William visted Brawby Place( now called Neponset), Illinois in The 1850's and died there. Christianna ran the farm alone and raised her son. John C.Coates married Bertha/Bridget Bushell/Bushnell. They did well in USA and their son was Francis William Coates B 1887 D 1940. Does anyone have connections to this family? Caroline Haywood ----- Original Message ----- From: <coates-request@rootsweb.com> To: <coates@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: COATES Digest, Vol 4, Issue 45 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Johns (Coats Family History) > 2. Re: Johns (John Coats) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 07:51:55 -0500 > From: Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [COATES] Johns > To: coates@rootsweb.com > Cc: Coates-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <9af006f50909040551h55c1d84er5876eb6aa3b15bcf@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > That is correct John....:) Although our William and Charles lived in > Newberry and William died in Kershaw County, SC, they are a separate group > of Coats out of Maryland...I suspect they are all brothers but again no > records yet to prove they are brothers or cousins to each other...the info > on our group has now gone into MD but we still don't know how Charles in > MD > was connected and that New England area is still very much under > researched...although there has been much speculation on connections, > documentation is still very much lacking in that New England area...which > is > very interesting since, that area has some really really good records...so > Charles in MD could very well have come out of any of the surrounding > areas...where records are not so forthcoming...In the SC group of brothers > and/or cousins in our line, I suspect there is: William, Charles, John, > Notley and James...also I do believe Notley may have been the executor on > that deed of William's...Notley and Netty could very easily be a mistaken > interp for that deed...Netty was thought to be Notley's wife but it makes > more sense that Notley was an executor rather than Netty, so that also > lends > more *documentation* that William of Newberry/Kershaw was a brother to the > rest...but like Curt says we still don't know what happened to WIlliam > land > in MD, no record as of yet has been found that he sold it, we also don't > know about the wife's name of Mary in MD and Frances in SC....was she a > Mary > Frances or was Frances a second wife... > > Most of the analyses has been centered in SC but it will be records out of > that area that will give us some better indications of all > these...Frances' > dad and my Dad both believed that Rev Will's dad was a James, although I > do > believe the documentation is good now that Rev Will's father was William > of > Kings Creek and his mother at least was Frances. I think it was Frances' > father or Mrs. Rohwer who thought that James in Georgia was the James in > our > group and that part of his family went down into Jefferson County GA...I > believe the Charles in Jefferson County GA was the Charles from Kelly's > Creek in SC, no indication in the records as to what happened to his > wife...but he and a James, who I believe was his son could have been James > the brother, since I'm not sure what happened to him...James I think gets > a > land grant in GA about 1784, much later than when William and Charles > first > show up in SC in 1772/1773 > > There is also a John Coats, that had land excepted from a Deed to Thomas > Coats in SC, this could very well mean he was a son of Thomas although > he's > not mentioned in any other records...the major problem in this area, is > that > so many earlier researchers have just assumed that all those of a like > name > in SC were the same person...and getting out of that old train of thought > is > not easy....:) So with so much speculation in the records, that makes the > DNA results that much more important....:) > > Y'all have a wonderful Labor Day week end!! > > Char > > > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, John Coats <jwcoats@htc.net> wrote: > >> Dear Group, Sorry if I mislead or confused anyone with my latest >> posts. After looking at some old records, I see that John Sr. was >> probably the son of John Gentleman Coats. At least that's what I got >> from Linda Coate. If that is true, then the R1a1 group of Coatses is >> separate from all those who descended from Gentleman John and Marmaduke >> Coats. I didn't know John Sr. was a son of John Gent. That means my >> James Robert, Charlotte's Rev Will, and Buster's Major John were an >> altogether separate group. >> >> When I uploaded our R1a1 results to Nat Geo, they have us on the map >> splitting off from those who continued up North and West and became the >> Vikings. The map shows the M-17 group coming Southeast to the Russian >> Steppes and becoming the Kurgan Culture. Of course that would have been >> 10,000 years ago. Who knows where they left from to come to the US. My >> guess is they migrated westward and came from Scotland, England or >> Ireland. Best Regards, John W. Coats P.S. Linda, I'm still looking for >> the papers of Gary Coates of Whitehall, Ill. I'll send them if and when >> I find them. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - look for the Cherokee Authentication > tag - > that insures they are a tribal citizen > > Indian Arts and Craft Act: > http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com > > Freedmen vs Cherokee Nation: > http://freedmenvscherokeenation.blogspot.com/ > > Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: > http://cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org/ > > Cherokee Basket Weaving Books: > http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving > > Cherokee Artists Association > http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org > > Coats Archive: > http://www.coatsarchive.us > > Pages Through Time > http://www.pagesthroughtime.us > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:03:42 -0500 > From: John Coats <jwcoats@htc.net> > Subject: Re: [COATES] Johns > To: coates@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4AA1102E.5000907@htc.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > John Coats wrote: Steve; John Henry told me you were having > trouble. Linda sent me the story of John Coats Sr., saying he was the > son of John Gent. She has the court records from the divorce > proceedings. Looks like his son was Samuel. I think the DNA tests have > cleared up a lot of misconception about the Coats line. I believe John > Gent and Marmaduke were cousins, and probably were the Quakers. I > believe our line is a totally different line, and may have been in NC > instead of SC. Who know where they came from before that. If you could > get someone to test, at least you could separate or connect with one of > these. Good Luck, John >> John, >> >> I used to think my John Coats of Miami Co., OH., who married Martha >> (Patsey) >> Rudy was a Junior to a John Coats Senior, and I still think he may have >> been >> a Jr., however the complete theory was that John Sr married a Susan Brock >> supposed daughter of Elias and Ann (Hollingsworth) Brock and that his >> father >> was Gentleman John Coats. I gave up on this theory due to a lack of >> evidence that Gentleman John ever had a John that migrated to the Miami >> Valley of OH. Also gave up the idea that a Susan Brock ever existed. I >> have >> not seen a family group record of a Susan being a daughter of Elias and >> Ann >> with supporting evidence other than this "theory". With that said, is it >> possible this DNA study is reviving this theory of my Coats line once >> again? >> What exactly is the story of this John who was a son of Gentleman John? >> Can >> someone help me out here? I wish my Coats line could be tested but we >> have >> not been able to locate a male Coats of this line that is willing to do >> so >> as of yet. Linda knows my story well. >> >> Steve Pearson >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Coats" <jwcoats@htc.net> >> To: <Coates-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:08 AM >> Subject: [COATES] Johns >> >> >> >>> Dear Group, Sorry if I mislead or confused anyone with my latest >>> posts. After looking at some old records, I see that John Sr. was >>> probably the son of John Gentleman Coats. At least that's what I got >>> from Linda Coate. If that is true, then the R1a1 group of Coatses is >>> separate from all those who descended from Gentleman John and Marmaduke >>> Coats. I didn't know John Sr. was a son of John Gent. That means my >>> James Robert, Charlotte's Rev Will, and Buster's Major John were an >>> altogether separate group. >>> >>> When I uploaded our R1a1 results to Nat Geo, they have us on the map >>> splitting off from those who continued up North and West and became the >>> Vikings. The map shows the M-17 group coming Southeast to the Russian >>> Steppes and becoming the Kurgan Culture. Of course that would have been >>> 10,000 years ago. Who knows where they left from to come to the US. My >>> guess is they migrated westward and came from Scotland, England or >>> Ireland. Best Regards, John W. Coats P.S. Linda, I'm still looking for >>> the papers of Gary Coates of Whitehall, Ill. I'll send them if and when >>> I find them. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COATES list administrator, send an email to > COATES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the COATES mailing list, send an email to > COATES@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COATES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COATES Digest, Vol 4, Issue 45 > ************************************* >