http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/dna.htm I've just posted a new result that is claiming through Big John, it was a match with Marm's group...don't know the particulars on it yet... this creates a conflict here, which means there probably isn't enough documentation either way to tell... So that brings up back to we need more male Coate, Coates, Coats to join our project...so if you're on this list and have the Coats surname...please consider joining our DNA project... Char