I would also like to invite any male Coate, Coates, Coats or variations on our lists to please join the DNA project... I see where some projects have used several family members of different lines to verify DNA information... Remember it is a simple cheek swab...and you could really help us to unlock some of these family lines....:) I've seen on the DNA list also where there is something about the Welsh halogroup type that is different than other types...I'm not sure how that works or what it is yet...and I am not a techie in the area of DNA...but the DNA list members keep everyone up to date on new developments...the DNA list is out of Rootsweb.com if you are interested in joining... Char