FYI....Char ***************************** > Here's what Paschal (HISTORY OF NC BAPTISTS) says: "Mr. Marshall in > 1766 preached at the house of one named Samuel Newman in the Bush River > section. A few years later he assisted in the organization of a church > at this place and in he ordinaion of one who was afterwards its > minister, Rev. Thomas Norris. About the same time, November 7, 1771, he > assisted Mulky in the ordination of the Rev. Jacob Gibson as pastor of > the Little River church" (p. 388). Also: "At Bush River in the same > section, Marshall, as we have seen, had begun praching about the year > 1766; in June 1772 the converts were constituted into a church by > Marshall and Mulky. The first minister was Rev. Samuel Newton, who, > according to Edwards, was 'called and baptized in North Carolina,' but > was ordained as pastor of this church in August, 1771, at which time he > took charge of the church. He was already a man of some age and died > the following November. Upon the death of Newton he was succeeded by > Rev. Thomas Norris, another North Carolinian from near Bath but baptized > at Congaree" (pp. 391-392). > Now let's talk about Morgan Edwards. I think we should get better > acquainted with his work (maybe, what do you think?). George W. Paschal > (HISTORY OF NC BAPTISTS) states: "The Baptist historian, Morgan > Edwards, who traveled in North Carolina in 1771-72, left a manuscript > history of the Baptists in North Carolina since the first settlement, > which he supposed to have been in 1695....In some way Edwards had been > misled as to the date of the settlement, which was full forty years > before, but it is evident that he had been told and believed that some > of the first settlers were Baptists, and that there had been some > Baptists among the inhabitants in all the years befre the establishment > of the first Baptist church in 1727. This is just what we have been led > to expect by the accounts of the persecutions of Baptists in England and > in many of the American colonies from the time of the settlement for the > next half century" (pp. 123-124). In a footnote on pp. 123-l24, Paschal > states: "Edwards was a native of Wales and had come to Philadelphia in > 1761 as pastor of the Baptist church in that city. In 1770 he resigned > his pastorate and devoted his time during the next two years in > gathering materials for a history of the Baptists of all America, > traveling through the colonies and gathering such information as he > could from church books and such other documents. This information he > carefully and neatly set down in notebooks, one for each colony, most of > which are now to be found in the library of the American Baptist > Historical Society at Chester, Pennsylvania. In 1877, Mr. J. C. > Birdsong copied the notebook for NC for the NC State Library; this has > been reproduced in several copies, two of which are in the Wake Forest > College Library. But later Mr. Edwards expanded his notebooks into a > fuller account, making a volume for each State, which he called > MATERIALS, etc. The volume for Pennsylvania was published in 1770; that > for New Jersey [HELLO, TEDDY!] in 1794. THE OTHERS REMAIN UNPUBLISHED. > The volumes for Mayland,Virginia, North Carlina, South Carolina are now > [1930?] in the possession of Mr. A. G. Furman of Greenville, South > Carolina. In 1877 a copy of all was made by a Mr. Clopton. This copy > is now in the library of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary at > Louisville, Ky. The volume for NC has been published in the NORTH > CAROLINA HISTORICAL REVIEW for July, 1900, with notes by G. W. Paschal. > Typed copies of the other volumes are to be found in the Library of Wake > Forest College." > I like footnotes! Here are 2 more: "This statement of Edwards' led > Benedict [HISTORY OF THE BAPTISTS in 2 volumes] into the error of > supposing that 1695 was the year in which Baptists were first found in > the Province, whereas Edwards was only trying to date the settlement. > Benedict''s error has been continued by other writers on Baptist > history" > (p. 124). AND: > "IN 1682 there were migrations of 'respectable Dissenters,' including > many Baptists, from Somersetshire to South Carolna; in 1693 another > group, 'mostly Baptists,' under the patronage of Lord Cardross, came to > the Port Royal section of that Province. Newman, BAPTIST HISTORY IN THE > UNITED STATES, 222f. Baptists began to come in considerable numbers to > PA almost as soon as it was opened to colonization in 1682. The period > in which persecutuion was severest in England contnued only until 1688, > but during those years had come many Baptists, among them the celebrated > church of Welsh Baptiss in 1686, some of whom later moving to South > Carolina [HELLO, VALERIA!] gave their name to he Welsh Neck District" > (p. 124 Paschal who cites Spencer's EARLY BAPTISTS OF PHILADELPHIA pp. > 17-38). > Now look back to Paschal's quote above which came from p. 388. In a > footnote on p. 388 Paschal states: "The informatin on which these > statements are based is found in Morgan Edwards' SOUTH CAROLINA > BAPTISTS. It may be said tha Morgan Edwards does not always agree with > himself. His finished work, MATERIALS TOWARDS A HISTORY OF THE BAPTISTS > of the several Provinces was based upon notebooks he made on the spot in > his travels. In his notebok on the S. C. Baptists, he has this to say > in an appended note: 'Daniel Marshall with he remains of he Abbott's > Creek removed to Beaver Creek near Broad River in 1766. Their names > Daniel Marshall and wife, James Finley and wife, James Martin, Mary > Tubs.' But in his notebook account of Stephens' Creek [Baptist] church > he says that the meeting house was erected at Stephens' Creek in 1766. > It is probable in this instance that his corrected statement is nearer > the truth." ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com