ANSWERS BELOW. At 06:47 PM 1/3/2001 -0800, you wrote: >How do we know Henry Coats on Goose Pon had a wife named Mary...? > Henry and his wife probably weren't Quakers. Henry named one of his > sons, Marshall after a Baptist minister. There is a Henry Coats who was > a member of the Bush River Baptist Church. He was excommunicated in > Mar. of 1806. I'm theorizing that it's him and it has something to do > with his second marriage to a Hannah. There are many Pitt relatives of > his first wife, Molly Pitts who were members of the Bush River Baptist > Church. (C-1858) His family fits with the only Henry Coate in the area in 1790, with 1 male over age 16, 1 under age 16 and 3 females. By 1800, there are 3 Henry's in the area again. He is highly likely to be the Henry Coat in the 1800 Newberry census records with 2 sons and 2 daughters age ten and under, with he and his wife being ages 26-45. It's the only one that fits a family with his known children in it. The birthdates of the children as researched by Nancy Coats father, fit these census records also. (C-1933) It is possible that Henry purchased 350 acres of land on Goose Pond Creek in July or Oct. of 1771 in what was Craven County. He sold it to Robert Gilliam in Feb. of 1790. It is sold after Henry Coate, father of Marmaduke, James and John, has died in 1784, and eliminates the oldest Henry in the area as the seller of the land. An even more interesting pattern emerges from this land transaction. In Newberry Court Minutes, p. 141, September Term 1790, ordered that Big John Coats be appointed overseer instead of Tho's Black & command the same hands. A lease & release from Henry Coats to Robert Gilliam Esq'r proved on a dedimus directed to Burk County in the State of Georgia & ordered to be recorded. (p. 132) March 1790 On motion of Robert Gilliam Esq're ordered that a dedimus potestum be granted him directed to justice in the State of Georgia to examine William Camel on oath if he saw Henry Coats sign seal and deliver a Lease & release to said Gilliam & whether he was a subscribing witness thereto." The fact that Big John Coate's is named his overseer in this document, might indicate that they are relatives. p. 76 Sept'r court 1788 Same plaintiff (John Musgrove) against Henry Coats defendant, petition & summons, nonsuite as above.(C-947) There is an administration record from Newberry Co., SC for a Henry Coate's Sr. administered from July 15, 1817-1820. He had an extensive estate but left with no will. The estate was divided amongst his widow, Sarah Waldrop and children, Edney Hughens, John (minor), J(ehue), Mary (minor), Elizabeth (minor), Marshal (minor), and Henry Coate (minor). John Pitts was the administrator. Witnesses were Levi and Nathan Pitts. Henry Pitts (brother to Henry's wife, Molly Pitts) was listed as John Coate's guardian. (C-881,886) This administration coupled with the administration for Henry's father in law, Henry Pitts in 1818 that only lists 4 of Henry's children as the children of Molly Pitts Coate, indicate that Henry was married twice. Molly's children as named in their grandfather, Henry's will, were: Sarah, Edney, Jehu and John. John was still a minor at the time of Henry's administration and he was the only one of his minor children for which a guardian was found in 1818. Apparently, Henry naturally expected his second unnamed wife to take care of his other four minor children. On 12/10/1821, the four youngest children, Hannah's and Henry's children also were placed under the guardianship of John Johnston. (C-1600, 2135E) This Henry Coates might have a son or brother Willie. Henry and Willie sold land to Joseph Toland in Newberry Co. on Nov. 1, 1785. The deed was not filed until 1804. Willie sold land in Newberry Co., SC in 1790, 1816, 1820 and 1823. (C-890)" > What are the ages and sources for some of these children of Little John... >As far as Little John goes, his children that we have for him other than >the two named in Annals of Newberry, were named in his will. Dates are >estimated for this family. Births of children are from abt 1772 to >1795. We have a couple of his kids exact birthdates. Little John died >bef. Dec 5, 1802. His estimated birthdate is around 1735. >Boy, I'm just so confused on all these William, Henry and Johns...what was >the dates for Little John, we know he died in whatever date his estate was >for...memory is on idle at this point...late 1700s was it...so that gives >him a birth date in the early or mid 1700s... > >So is this the John Coate that came with Henry from NC...? YES. > >Anything diffinate on the birth and death dates...? > HIS ESTATE WAS PROBATED ON DEC. 7, 1802 >How old was Henry, the father suppose to be? BORN IN 1700 IN NJ AND DIED ABOUT MAY 1784 IN NEWBERRY CO., SC. >Char >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda J. Dudick >Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 4:58 AM >To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Capt. Henry COATES > >JRC, > >Glad you are enjoying the discussion. We all keep each other on our >toes. The problem is that the deed that mentions Mary, wife of Henry is in >1792 and Henry son of Little John does not get married to Mary Long until >1808 if memory serves. Because the deed is land next to Little >John's.... my guess is that it's still his son Henry, but one who is an >unknown first wife. The other possibility is that the Henry who buys land >next to Little John in 1792 is the Henry Coate married to Mary/Molly Pitts >by 1784 whom we haven't figured out how he connects into the family >yet.... Many genealogies have placed him as theory as the son of Henry and >Esther Wilson Coate or brother to Little John... This all fits with the >facts above except for the fact that he appears to be much much younger >than Henry's other known sons.... by about 30 years.... > >Let's however flow with the idea that the 1792 deed for a Henry Coate is >the one that's married to Mary Pitts... Timing and name wise it does fit >because of the following. He marries Mary Pitts before 1784, he buys land >on Goose Pond in 1771 and again in 1772. He sells land on Goose Pond in >1790. He buys land in 1792 south of Newberry next to Little John's >Land??? .... No conflicts in time or in marriage.... He's also the only >other known Henry to have a wife named Mary. Worth a theory. > >At 09:21 PM 1/1/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Dear Coates Rootswebbers: > > I have been following the discussions about "Little" John COATES & > >also about his son Capt. Henry COATES with his wives. Someone mentioned he > >might have had a third wife because of finding him with a wife named Mary. > >Hasn't anyone mentioned that Polly is the nickname for Mary? Mary & Polly > >could both used in different deeds & documents for the same wife! Henry's > >two wives were sisters (1) Elizabeth Long; called "Betsy" (2) Mary Long > >called "Polly". > > Anyhow-it is nice to have my "Little" John COATES line discussed > once > >again on the Rootsweb. I appreciate all the hard work you all do. Thanks > for > >sharing your research so freely!!!!!!!!!!! You are the BEST!!! > > JRC > > > > > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== > > > > > > >---------- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at ><http://explorer.msn.com>http://explorer.msn.com