The second link below contains a book and on page60 and 107, it mentions a Charles Courts and William Courts... Also I've noticed in the early records of MD there is also a 1600 William Couts...might be two different lines or the name may have gotten changed some how...just don't know at this point... But I'm sure Barton Coats in SC points to a Barton family connection, you'll notice in that first link, there are several Barton but other surnames....they being named after their grandfather...also notice how many marriages some of these folks had... Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Terry Barton" <[email protected]> To: "Charlotte Coats" <[email protected]> CC: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Coats DNA project results Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:02:31 -0400 Char, I didn't hear you say Charles Co or St Marys Co MD in the original discussion. That is likely the William Barton family. He was a very important leader in the 17th Century and his family seemed to have a tendency for girls. I believe they have daughtered out. We don't have good info about them on our site. Here a couple of links: http://pweb.netcom.com/~fzsaund/barton.html http://www.usgennet.org/family/smoot/book/056.html Terry

Susan, yes you are probably right about the Higginson Books offering since the full title of the monograph about Thomas Coates and Beulah Jacques (by Henry T. Coates, 1897) is "Thomas Coates who removed from England to the Province of Pennsylvania, 1683". It is only 27 pages so the extra pages are probably a copy of city directories as the listing suggests. Os Cresson

Something else I had been searching for that I thought might help others researching Philadelphia Coates by being archived in the list. Os Cresson was kind enough to let me know his Coates Family Burial listings had come from the Historical Society of PA so I contacted them hoping to obtain copies of possible family burials at a minimal cost. *********** Ms. McIntyre: The 'COATS' family material you refer to in your e-mail, are unpublished 'scrapbooks.' They are simply two separate volumes dealing with the same family. Ph 39A would also be unpublished material. The pages vary, the GEN scrapbooks are very thick, oversize volumes, consisting of many pages generally. Since we do not do any research except on a 'fee-basis,' you may wish to go to our website at: www.hsp.org <http://www.hsp.org/> to the 'on-line services' or 'library services,' then click onto the 'Research-by-Mail Service.' There you will see a form which gives the instructions on how to carry out research from 'off-site,' as well as gives you the fees or costs for research. Printout the form, fill it in, send the required fee and a cover letter explaining your research and your request will be processed. Regrettably, we do not do 'inter-library loans.' This is a 'non-circulating' library. Nothing leaves the premises. Most of the GEN volumes however, were microfilmed years ago by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, or the 'Mormon' church, and you can obtain microfilmed copies from the local 'Family History Library,' located near you. They are generally located in one of the local Mormon churches, and are open to the public. The material can be ordered from the large family history library in Salt Lake City, Utah, which will come to your local church library, from which you can make photocopies from the film. Best of luck in your researching pursuits. Sincerely, Head of Reference Services Historical Society of Pennsylvania -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Coats Family Burial Ground Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:38:39 -0400 From: Susan McIntyre <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> According to your library's online catalog you are in possession of several publications I would appreciate learning about. They are listed as... Coats family burying ground index : third and Brown Sts. Philadelphia, Pa / Compiled by Mrs. D.J. Pontarelli Call No.: Gen Co20:2 Location: Closed Stacks Local Notes: Acc. 1976 Coats family burying ground : third and Brown Sts., Philadelphia, Pa 1732-1848 Call No. Gen Co20:1 Location: Closed Stacks Local Notes: Ph 39A

I have been looking for a while for several books that are no longer in print and have discovered some Coates Genealogy books being offered at Higginson Books http://www.higginsonbooks.com/ They are having a 25% off sale until the end of August if anyone is interested in adding to their library. One question that I hope the list can answer - the book titled "Thomas Coates, Eng. to PA., 1683 & the Coates from in Phila. City Dir., 1785-1901". 43 pages. I am assuming that it is about the Thomas Coates (1659-1719) who married Beulah Jacques, can anyone on the list tell me if I am right or if it is about Thomas Coates (1682-1772) - both are born England died PA. Thanks, Susan

http://www.alibris.com Alibris is also another good place for finding out of print books, although their selection of genealogy books isn't that complete... Char

Hello, This is my first posting to this site as I would like to know if anyone is researching the Coats surname in Belfast area, Ireland, c1810+. I am specifically looking for Margaret COATS, d/o Samuel COATS, Upper Falls, Belfast area, Ireland. In 1829 she married James CRAWFORD. I also have the 1826 Tithe surname list for Lower Falls, Ballymurphy area of Belfast and found these Coats included: Wm. COATS; Jno. COATS; and Sam COATS. I would be delighted to hear from anyone with relevant information. Thanks for your time. Alice Cochrane, Alberta, Canada

FYI...Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Terry Barton" <[email protected]> To: "Charlotte Coats" <[email protected]> CC: "Dr. Richard Barton" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Coats DNA project results Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:10:09 -0400 Charlotte, we have a Robert William Barton m Laura Coats, with a son, Charles Barton, b 10 June 1881, Toledo OH. Unfortunately, this data came from a publication and we do not have a researcher identified for this family. Terry by copy, I am asking Rich to reflect your active Coats project at our WFN Coats page.

I suspect this could include others besides Admin, if they wished to attend.... *************** http://www.ftdna.com/conference_PR.html 1st International Conference on Genetic Genealogy for Family Tree DNA Group Administrators to be held in Houston, TX on October 30, 2004

http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/03-r19.pdf Fairfax County Road Orders 1749-1800 by Beth Mitchell -pg. 113- 21 February 1785, page 108 On motion of Joseph Bennett ordered that Charles Broadwater, Edward Blackburn, John Coats & John Wren or any three of them view the road from the mouth of John Hurst's land to the upper part of Talbut's fence and report on oath whether it is necessary to turn the said road. -pg. 118- 20 March 1786, page 186 On the motion of William Deneale, Ordered that Charles Broadwater, John Hunter, Edward Blackburn and John Coats or any three of them view the most convenient way to turn the road from Hunter's fence to Collins's fence and report on oath to the next Court. -pg. 162- 16 October 1797, page 113 From the Turnpike to Four Mile Run, we allot & c. Baldwin Dades place, John Fitzgerald, Robert Vincent, Alexander Gordon, Philip R. Fendall, Charles Alexander and his Tenants between the Road and River, Moses Coats and all living at Widow Adam's Mill, William M. Green, Elisha Harden, Samuel Howard, Ja.s. Frasier & Wm. Russell. -pg. 172- 21 August 1799, page 178 Roads. Overseers: William Phillips, John Ball, Moses Cotes, James Gill, Thomas Baxter. 20 March 1800, page 445 The CommonWealth agst. Moses Coats - Deft. On a Presentment of the Grd Jury The Defendant appearing upon summons to shew cause why an Information should not be filed against him, as an Overseer of the Road, for not keeping a Bridge in repair upon hearing the reasons assigned in him behalf, or excuse it is ordered that said Presentment be discontinued.

FYI... ----Original Message Follows---- From: Charlotte Coats <[email protected]> Reply-To: Charlotte Coats <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ARCHIVES] Local Archives - Hurricane Charley damage Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:57:25 -0700 Also a good argument for digitizing collections...his web collection would have survived...:) Charlotte ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jones, Virginia" <[email protected]> Reply-To: "Jones, Virginia" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [ARCHIVES] Local Archives - Hurricane Charley damage Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:19:42 -0400 While a tragedy for the gentelman affected, this is a good example of why historical records and photos should be cared for in a professional environment. I do not mean to imply that a professional archives would have escaped damage, but that the records would not have been so vulnerable to such extensive damage - and possibly index/finding aids would have survived. Hurricane damaged historian's archives of local history http://www.sun-herald.com/NewsArchive2/081904/tp1ch1.htm?date=081904&story=t p1ch1.htm A posting from the Archives & Archivists LISTSERV List sponsored by the Society of American Archivists, www.archivists.org. For the terms of participation, please refer to http://www.archivists.org/listservs/arch_listserv_terms.asp. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send e-mail to [email protected] In body of message: SUB ARCHIVES firstname lastname *or*: UNSUB ARCHIVES To post a message, send e-mail to [email protected] Or to do *anything* (and enjoy doing it!), use the web interface at http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/archives.html Problems? Send e-mail to Robert F Schmidt <[email protected]>

Well, I'd say England has the right idea...:) ----Original Message Follows---- From: Peter Kurilecz <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [ARCHIVES] digitisation Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:44:59 -0400 The following request comes from a non-subscriber in England. Please send your responses directly to him at the following email [email protected] IMPERIAL WAR MUSEUM DEPARTMENT OF DOCUMENTS Our Ref: SNR/DOC8 16 August 2004 Dear Colleagues We are hoping to commence a programme to digitise some of our collections of private papers in order to conserve the originals from wear and tear and to improve access for our visitors. I would therefore be most grateful if anyone who has already completed such a project could contact me to pass on their hard-earned experience, notably the pros and cons of in-house digitisation compared with outsourcing this work, the names and addresses of companies/bodies who could scan original material or microfilms for us, and how to avoid some of the pitfalls that lurk for unsuspecting archivists. Many thanks With best wishes. Yours faithfully Dr Simon Robbins Archivist Department of Documents Imperial War Museum Lambeth Road London SE1 6HZ 020 7416 5221 [email protected] -- Peter A. Kurilecz CRM, CA Richmond, Va [email protected] A posting from the Archives & Archivists LISTSERV List sponsored by the Society of American Archivists, www.archivists.org. For the terms of participation, please refer to http://www.archivists.org/listservs/arch_listserv_terms.asp. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send e-mail to [email protected] In body of message: SUB ARCHIVES firstname lastname *or*: UNSUB ARCHIVES To post a message, send e-mail to [email protected] Or to do *anything* (and enjoy doing it!), use the web interface at http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/archives.html Problems? Send e-mail to Robert F Schmidt <[email protected]>

So where is the funding problem???? What I find interesting is the fact that many items are donated to libraries etc and then they charge for their use??? Charges such as this, should pay for more than a libarian salary??? ----Original Message Follows---- From: Trina Purcell <[email protected]> Reply-To: Trina Purcell <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [ARCHIVES] All Rights Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:23:24 -0600 Hello Bill, I'm familiar with this request. At one time we used to sell "All Rights" for $300 per image. But about a year ago we discontinued the practice. Our fee schedule is based on the publication run and it just didn't make sense to charge some customers based on how many items they plan to publish, and allow others to print multiple editions in perpetuity. I also think All Rights sets a poor precedent in terms of control. We want to share our images, but we also need to know how and when they're being used. We now require the customer to purchase a new License Agreement for every subsequent edition. Most of our customers are all right with this. In fact I sometimes find that the people who think they need All Rights don't really understand what they're asking for, or just need some help understanding our procedures. Best wishes, Trina Purcell Trina Purcell Photo Curator/Digital Project Supervisor Denver Public Library (720) 865-1817 www.photoswest.org Visit our new online Gift Shop at www.cafepress.com/denverlibrary A posting from the Archives & Archivists LISTSERV List sponsored by the Society of American Archivists, www.archivists.org. For the terms of participation, please refer to http://www.archivists.org/listservs/arch_listserv_terms.asp. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send e-mail to [email protected] In body of message: SUB ARCHIVES firstname lastname *or*: UNSUB ARCHIVES To post a message, send e-mail to [email protected] Or to do *anything* (and enjoy doing it!), use the web interface at http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/archives.html Problems? Send e-mail to Robert F Schmidt <[email protected]>

FYI...more funding cuts...call for help... ----Original Message Follows---- From: Bob Schmidt <[email protected]> Reply-To: Bob Schmidt <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [ARCHIVES] Support for NHPRC Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:22:08 -0400 Hello Everyone, Rand Jimerson asked that I forward this message about pending NHPRC cutbacks to the list. Bob Schmidt Archives Listserve Coordinator Miami University Archives Oxford, Ohio 45056 Tel: 513-529-6720 Email: [email protected] _______________________________________________________ To: Archivists and friends of archives From: Rand Jimerson, President of the Society of American Archivists As part of SAA's mission to provide education and information about archives and archival concerns, I want to inform you about proposed funding cutbacks for the National Historical Publications and Records Commission (NHPRC). These cutbacks threaten to reduce funding available for publications and archival projects designed to ensure preservation and access to historical records. Your support for NHPRC could make a significant difference, especially if you live in Alabama, Colorado, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Missouri, Nevada, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Utah, Washington, West Virginia, or Wisconsin. (See list of committee members and contact info at the bottom of this message.) The appropriations bill that passed the House contained just $3 million for NHPRC. That amount would mean a drastic cut in programs and no chance for new programs. The Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Transportation, Treasury, and General Government can raise the amount. The final amount would be negotiated in conference committee. A few emails, faxes, and phone calls to key senators - Richard Shelby (AL) is the chair and Patty Murray (D-WA) has expressed interest in supporting the NHPRC - can make an enormous difference, especially from citizens in the subcommittee members' home states. One politician noted that getting thirty constituents' comments on an issue was an avalanche, so every message counts. Note: Mail continues to be delayed due to testing for biohazards. If you send a written letter by post, it will probably arrive too late. Some tips: Messages that are cordial and offer insights into an issue are often more effective than direct requests to do something. If you choose to write, consider some of the following key points about the benefits of the program and the small amount of money allocated to the program. Indicate concrete benefits rather than point to noble goals ("Saved the papers of Mr. Smith of Localville" is more effective than "Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it.") - Personalize the letter with information about NHPRC grants in your state. Check NARA's website for recent projects: (http://www.archives.gov/grants/funded_endorsed_projects/funded_endorsed _projects.html) Mention projects that have benefited you, even though it's not from your state. (For example, the forthcoming revision of the SAA Glossary was funded, in part, by funds from NHPRC.) - The US Census website indicates that the US population is 293,987,103 (12 August). The full $10 million dollar funding for NHPRC is less than four cents for every man, woman, and child in the US. - Talk about the kinds of work that you need to do that NHPRC supports. NHPRC funds The Commission funds projects that deal with records of state, county, municipal, tribal, or other non-Federal units of government; manuscripts, personal and family papers, or organizational and business archives; collections of photographs, motion pictures, sound recordings, electronic records, and/or such visual materials as unpublished architectural, cartographic, and engineering drawings. The Commission funds projects that focus on the following activities authorized in the NHPRC statute, including collecting, describing, preserving, compiling, and publishing (including microfilming and other forms of reproduction) documentary sources significant to the history of the United States; undertaking projects seeking solutions to the various questions in the Commission's research agenda on electronic records; conducting institutes, training and educational programs, and fellowships related to the activities of the Commission; disseminating information about documentary sources through guides, directories, and other technical publications; or more generally: documentary editing and publishing; archival preservation and processing of records for access; developing or updating descriptive systems; creation and development of archival and records management programs; development of standards, tools, and techniques to advance the work of archivists, records managers, and documentary editors; and promotion of the use of records by teachers, students, and the public. 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Contact information: Appropriations : Subcommittee on Transportation, Treasury, and General Government Shelby, Richard - (R - AL) Class III 110 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-5744 E-mail: [email protected] Bennett, Robert - (R - UT) Class III 431 DIRKSEN SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-5444 Web Form: bennett.senate.gov/contact/emailmain.html Bond, Christopher - (R - MO) Class III 274 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-5721 bond.senate.gov/contact/contactme.cfm Brownback, Sam - (R - KS) Class III 303 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-6521 Web Form: brownback.senate.gov/CMEmailMe.htm Byrd, Robert - (D - WV) Class I 311 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-3954 Web Form: byrd.senate.gov/byrd_email.html Campbell, Ben - (R - CO) Class III 380 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-5852 Web Form: campbell.senate.gov/email.htm DeWine, Mike - (R - OH) Class I 140 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-2315 Web Form: dewine.senate.gov Dorgan, Byron - (D - ND) Class III 713 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-2551 E-mail: [email protected] Durbin, Richard - (D - IL) Class II 332 DIRKSEN SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-2152 Web Form: durbin.senate.gov/sitepages/contact.htm Hutchison, Kay - (R - TX) Class I 284 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-5922 Web Form: hutchison.senate.gov/e-mail.htm Kohl, Herb - (D - WI) Class I 330 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-5653 Web Form: kohl.senate.gov/gen_contact.html Mikulski, Barbara - (D - MD) Class III 709 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-4654 Web Form: mikulski.senate.gov/mailform.html Murray, Patty - (D - WA) Class III 173 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-2621 Web Form: murray.senate.gov/email/index.cfm Reid, Harry - (D - NV) Class III 528 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-3542 Web Form: reid.senate.gov/email_form.cfm Specter, Arlen - (R - PA) Class III 711 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-4254 E-mail: [email protected] A posting from the Archives & Archivists LISTSERV List sponsored by the Society of American Archivists, www.archivists.org. 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FYI..... ----Original Message Follows---- From: Eric Roth <[email protected]> Reply-To: Eric Roth <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [ARCHIVES] Family Bible Records Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:49:41 -0700 Hi all, We have just received a donation of a 19th-century family Bible in extremely poor condition with four pages of handwritten genealogical information. We already maintain a collection of over 400 such Bibles in our holdings, with well over 1,000 pages of family records. The Bible contains no other marginalia and or inserted materials. We are cautiously considering removing the pages of genelaogical information from the Bible and then destroying the original. I know this seems horribly un-archival at first glance, but given the extent of our collection, the poor physical condition of the item, and the commonality of the publication, removing the famaily records is tempting, and the donor has already given his assent to remove the pages if we deem it to be the most appropriate course of action. I'll admit I am not gung-ho about removing the pages, but I do question the wisdom and practicality of storing thousands of pages of duplicate biblical texts when all that's really unique valuable is a few pages of genealogical records, inserted material, and marginalia, particularly in cases where the Bibles are so damaged. I welcome all opinions and comments. Please respond to me offlist at [email protected] I will summarize for the list. Eric J. Roth, Archivist/Librarian Huguenot Historical Society Library and Archives 88 Huguenot Street New Paltz, NY 12561 [email protected] (845) 255-6738 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! A posting from the Archives & Archivists LISTSERV List sponsored by the Society of American Archivists, www.archivists.org. For the terms of participation, please refer to http://www.archivists.org/listservs/arch_listserv_terms.asp. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send e-mail to [email protected] In body of message: SUB ARCHIVES firstname lastname *or*: UNSUB ARCHIVES To post a message, send e-mail to [email protected] Or to do *anything* (and enjoy doing it!), use the web interface at http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/archives.html Problems? Send e-mail to Robert F Schmidt <[email protected]>

Has anyone questioned these fees as being against the commerce clause? Let's see I think it was an infamous milk case that eliminated these types of fees and then the Supreme court continued to expand coverage...to the point that today any thing can be considered covered by the commerce clause... Personally I think fees like this are just a way to discourage public use of records?? Comments? P.S. Eastman btw from what I understand is connected to Ancestry.com ... making tons of money from their online database...fees that could really help support online research at state archives....:) ********************************* THE COST OF RESEARCH: Burton Historical Collection quiet after access fee for nonresidents goes into effect August 4, 2004 BY SUZETTE HACKNEY FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER The atmosphere Tuesday afternoon was typical for the Detroit Public Library. There was the quiet turning of pages, the whispers among companions and noses buried in books. But one thing was different, especially in the Burton Historical Collection: There were very few patrons. Staffers said the change is clearly linked to the new fees that went into effect Tuesday for nonresident users. Visitors accessing the library's three special collections are charged $10 per day or $100 annually. "There were a lot of people here last week trying to tie up loose ends or take advantage of the collection," said David Poremba, manager of the nationally famous Burton collection. "Today things have slowed down considerably." The fees have angered many longtime users, but there are ways to avoid paying. Anyone can browse the Burton collection, the E. Azalia Hackley Collection of Negro Music, Dance and Drama, and the National Automotive History Collection. Nonresidents must pay only when they want to use the computers or receive detailed assistance or information from a staffer. The Burton is heavily used by genealogists and it has tens of thousands of books, photographs and manuscripts concerning Detroit history. Sandra Bill, 61, a former Royal Oak resident who lives in San Diego, was using 6 hours before her flight to work on her family tree. "They told me I couldn't use the computers unless I paid $100," Bill said. "I assume it's due to budget cuts. But it's disappointing to have resources and people who want to use them but can't touch them." She was able to complete most of her research for free because she knew the collection well enough to navigate through it. The Detroit library joins the growing ranks of institutions that charge for nonresident use. The library has lost about $6 million annually in state funding since 2002. Library officials estimate that 60-75 percent of special-collection users are nonresidents. Connie Porter, 69, a northwest Detroit resident, uses the Burton collection frequently. She became interested in genealogy about 8 years ago, and spends much of her time in the library. Porter said she understands the need for the fees, and is happy that a borrowing fee has not been applied to general circulation books, records and DVDs. She said she has tried to borrow books from the Southfield Library, but was told only residents could do so. "I'm glad I am a Detroit resident because I use it a lot, and enjoy using it," Porter said. "I can't say that I agree with the amount they charge, but maybe there should be a way to charge for the services. The library has been very lenient to nonresidents." Contact SUZETTE HACKNEY at 313-223-4536 or [email protected]

Well, just about the time I think one way, something comes along...the spelling of this name is * K-outs * Although this might be a bit late for a birth date for the John Couts I found in Robertson County TN, it could be his son though....notice the Stark connection as well... ********************************************* 23. LEAH (COUTS)6 STARK (THOMAS5, JAMES4, JOHN3, JOHN2, JOHN1) was born 1765 in , Fairfax, VIrginia, and died Bet. 1830 - 1840 in , Robertson, Tennessee. She married JOHN COUTS ABT 1790 in , Robertson, Tennessee. He was born ABT 1761 in , Robertson, Tennessee, and died ABT 1828 in , Robertson, Tennessee. More About JOHN COUTS and LEAH STARK: Marriage: ABT 1790, , Robertson, Tennessee Children of LEAH STARK and JOHN COUTS are: i. MARY7 COUTS, b. ABT 1791, , Robertson, Tennessee. ii. WILLIAM COUTS, b. March 5, 1795, , Robertson, Tennessee; d. December 23, 1848, , Robertson, Tennessee. More About WILLIAM COUTS: Burial: Couts Cemetery, Robertson, Tennessee iii. JOHN COUTS, b. September 12, 1798, , Robertson, Tennessee; d. May 2, 1868, , Robertson, Tennessee. iv. NANCY COUTS, b. November 19, 1798, , Robertson, Tennessee; d. July 12, 1855, , Robertson, Tennessee. More About NANCY COUTS: Burial: Couts Cemetery, Robertson, Tennessee v. SALLY COUTS, b. ABT 1800, , Robertson, Tennessee. vi. JAMES COUTS, b. ABT 1802, , Robertson, Tennessee.

It didn't work. I wonder why the discussion group format cuts out our responses to each other? At 07:50 PM 8/15/2004, Linda J. Coate wrote: >I'm just testing something. I've noticed for a while that when Charlotte >replys to someone's letter in our Coates list, their letter isn't >included. I'm trying to see if highlighting the letter first forwards it >to the list so everyone can read it. If there are about six lines of >text below, then highlighting the text first solves the problem. > >At 09:03 AM 8/14/2004, John Coats wrote: >>Linda; I tend to agree w/you on this. However, weren't there 1 or2 other >>John Coatses who died or had wills probated in 1803? You may remmember, >>Gentleman John was recognized as a Revolutionary Patriot for providing >>supplies and shoeing horses.However, he was delisted in 1998-99 because >>no one could prove which John was which. He probably would have been a >>blacksmith, but weren't all the Johns blacksmiths? > > > LINDA COATE, >Columbus, Ohio >[email protected] >www.ancestrees.com > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== >To >unsubscribe, send the command "unsubscribe" to >[email protected] (if in mail mode) or >[email protected] (if in digest mode.) LINDA COATE, Columbus, Ohio [email protected] www.ancestrees.com

I'm just testing something. I've noticed for a while that when Charlotte replys to someone's letter in our Coates list, their letter isn't included. I'm trying to see if highlighting the letter first forwards it to the list so everyone can read it. If there are about six lines of text below, then highlighting the text first solves the problem. At 09:03 AM 8/14/2004, John Coats wrote: >Linda; I tend to agree w/you on this. However, weren't there 1 or2 other >John Coatses who died or had wills probated in 1803? You may remmember, >Gentleman John was recognized as a Revolutionary Patriot for providing >supplies and shoeing horses.However, he was delisted in 1998-99 because no >one could prove which John was which. He probably would have been a >blacksmith, but weren't all the Johns blacksmiths? LINDA COATE, Columbus, Ohio [email protected] www.ancestrees.com

Little John died in late 1802 with a wife named Susannah. Charlotte, What is the source of the info in the DAR index. Does it index information in John's pension application or does it source info provided by a descendant of John? Linda At 09:03 AM 8/14/2004, John Coats wrote: >Linda; I tend to agree w/you on this. However, weren't there 1 or2 other >John Coatses who died or had wills probated in 1803? You may remmember, >Gentleman John was recognized as a Revolutionary Patriot for providing >supplies and shoeing horses.However, he was delisted in 1998-99 because no >one could prove which John was which. He probably would have been a >blacksmith, but weren't all the Johns blacksmiths? >Now, if this was Gentleman John, then all the 7 people linked by DNA to >Marmaduke on the website would be related to him, because the John Coates >I had tested, proved back to him, and you all match. Not all would be >descendents of him tho, some may be descendents of cousins or brothers. >Yours in research, > >John Coats >Linda J. Coate wrote: > >>This is likely Gentleman John Coats. The date they give his death is >>actually almost the date of the probate of his will. He died a month >>earlier according to other records. Does anyone else have a better match. >> >> >>At 11:30 PM 8/13/2004, you wrote: >> >>>Who is this? >>> >>> >>> >>>COATS , John >>>Birth: SC Circa 1740 >>>Rank: PS >>>Service: SC >>>Death: SC 3 Jun 1803 >>>Patriot Pensioned: No >>>Widow Pensioned: No >>>Children Pensioned: No >>>Heirs Pensioned: No >>>Spouse: (1) Mary X >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back >>>to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx >>> >>> >>>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >>>To >>>unsubscribe, send the command "unsubscribe" to >>>[email protected] (if in mail mode) or >>>[email protected] (if in digest mode.) >> >> >> >> LINDA COATE, >>Columbus, Ohio >>[email protected] >>www.ancestrees.com >> >> >> >>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >>Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: >>http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar >> >> > LINDA COATE, Columbus, Ohio [email protected] www.ancestrees.com

I didn't know he was delisted. Would the index just give the info that a descendant believed belonged to him? I have never seen all of his Revolutionary War papers and wonder if he applied for pension with a wife named Mary. If his wife was Mary, he is the only John that died in 1803 with a wife named Mary. At 09:03 AM 8/14/2004, John Coats wrote: >Linda; I tend to agree w/you on this. However, weren't there 1 or2 other >John Coatses who died or had wills probated in 1803? You may remmember, >Gentleman John was recognized as a Revolutionary Patriot for providing >supplies and shoeing horses.However, he was delisted in 1998-99 because no >one could prove which John was which. He probably would have been a >blacksmith, but weren't all the Johns blacksmiths? >Now, if this was Gentleman John, then all the 7 people linked by DNA to >Marmaduke on the website would be related to him, because the John Coates >I had tested, proved back to him, and you all match. Not all would be >descendents of him tho, some may be descendents of cousins or brothers. >Yours in research, > >John Coats >Linda J. Coate wrote: > >>This is likely Gentleman John Coats. The date they give his death is >>actually almost the date of the probate of his will. He died a month >>earlier according to other records. Does anyone else have a better match. >> >> >>At 11:30 PM 8/13/2004, you wrote: >> >>>Who is this? >>> >>> >>> >>>COATS , John >>>Birth: SC Circa 1740 >>>Rank: PS >>>Service: SC >>>Death: SC 3 Jun 1803 >>>Patriot Pensioned: No >>>Widow Pensioned: No >>>Children Pensioned: No >>>Heirs Pensioned: No >>>Spouse: (1) Mary X >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back >>>to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx >>> >>> >>>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >>>To >>>unsubscribe, send the command "unsubscribe" to >>>[email protected] (if in mail mode) or >>>[email protected] (if in digest mode.) >> >> >> >> LINDA COATE, >>Columbus, Ohio >>[email protected] >>www.ancestrees.com >> >> >> >>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >>Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: >>http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar >> >> > LINDA COATE, Columbus, Ohio [email protected] www.ancestrees.com