No such luck at my library. Gup At 07:00 PM 1/22/2005 -0700, you wrote: >COATES-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 11 > > >>That's great. I have access through my library and love their census >>records, but didn't know they had pension files! >>At 02:09 PM 1/20/2005, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>HeritageQuest Online has all the Revolutionary pension files >>>online!! the complete files... >>> >>>All you need is a library card from your local library if they subscribe >>>to the HeritageQuest Online service!! >>> >>>Char >>> >>> >>> >>>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >>>Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: >>>http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar >> >> LINDA COATE, >>Columbus, Ohio >>[email protected] >>www.ancestrees.com > > > LINDA COATE, >Columbus, Ohio >[email protected] >www.ancestrees.com

>That's great. I have access through my library and love their census >records, but didn't know they had pension files! >At 02:09 PM 1/20/2005, you wrote: > > > > >>HeritageQuest Online has all the Revolutionary pension files >>online!! the complete files... >> >>All you need is a library card from your local library if they subscribe >>to the HeritageQuest Online service!! >> >>Char >> >> >> >>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >>Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: >>http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar > > LINDA COATE, >Columbus, Ohio >[email protected] >www.ancestrees.com LINDA COATE, Columbus, Ohio [email protected] www.ancestrees.com

Thanks for that research site. It is loaded with another branch of my family - Alsop - over 400 hits on the name. Now I just have to sort thru them. My Nancy Jane Coates married into the Alsup family in the late 1800's in Douglas Co. Missouri. Thanks for the great site. Pat Alsup Hardman INBOX: Email 1 of 23 > Content-Type: text/plain > > COATES-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 9 > > Today's Topics: > #1 John Baker Wilson County TN ["Charlotte Coats" <[email protected]] > #2 VA records research ["Charlotte Coats" <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from COATES-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > ______________________________> X-Message: #1 > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:20:28 -0800 > From: "Charlotte Coats" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: John Baker Wilson County TN > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Abstract of his pension file....looks like the pension application was > rejected, but he was a minute man...not one of the regular regiments....so > that may still qualify for DAR...not sure...he applied for the pension in > 1843 and died in 1844 > > Abstract of application: > > State of TN: Wilson County > declaration dated April 20, 1843 > John Baker a resident of Wilson County TN aged 96 years > service info: > He entered service in Stafford County VA as a volunteer under Captain > JohnVant > he doesn't recollect the names of any of the ? officers of the company > except the first Sargeant he recollects that the name of that officer was > Ford; doesn't recall the date that he entered the service bt was some time > previous to the declaraion of Independence; he was first mustered into > service at an old Field about eight or nine miles from the Rive Potomac, > Vants company which be belonged then marched to the Potomac and there was > joined to the regiment called the regiment of minutte men commanded by > Colonel William Philips, they marched down the River potomac serveral miles, > they camped near the river for serveral days, then dismissed and returned > home with orders to return to the river when ever notified to do so, that > said regiment was kept organised as a regiment of Minuttte men to prevent > the British ? from coming up the river and plundering the inhabitance and > precuring fresh water, he was often called out and encamped upon the river > generally from ten to twenty days at a time and sometimes longer sometimes > would be dismissed and in the course of one or two days would be called out > and incamped and marched up and down the river, did this til the end of the > war. > > During his service Capt Vant resigned and the company was then commanded > during the remainder of the time by Capt William Hardin....signed John Baker > (his mark) > > Declaration of William Vantrease andBenjamin Pritchett > > Questions and Answers: > Q. When and in what year were you born > A. I was born in Stafford County VA in the month of January 1747 or 1743 or > 1741 > Q. Have you any record of your age and if so where is it > A. My age was recorded in a Bible before I removed from the state of VA, > which I left there and I have had no record of my age since that time > Q. Where were you living when called into service where have you lived > since Revolutionary War and where do you now live > A. I lived in Stafford County VA when I was called into service I removed > from there about 18 months after the war - I went to South Carolina on BROAD > RIVER about 60 or 70 miles from Charleston remained there about three years > I then removed to Red River, Logan County Kentucky resided there about 14 > years - was in a campaign of 16 days against the Indians under Colonel > Whitley and removed from there to PON River (not sure of the name of that > river) in Kentucky resided there about 3 years then removed to BEDFORD CONTY > TN remained there about 9 years I then removed to Wilson County TN where I > now reside > Q. How were you called into service were you draughted di you volunteer > were you a substitute and if a substitute for whom > A. Entered the service as a volunteer under Captain John Vant I served all > the time as a volunteer > Q. State the names of some of the regular officers who were with the troops > where you can recollect and the general circumstances of your service > A. I do no now recollect that there was any regular troops with the > regiment in which I served if there was any regular or continental malitia > troops with us I can not now recollect the officers there might sometimes > have been other malitia with us besides the regiment to which I belonged but > if so I cannot now state by who they were commanded. I recollect no other > officer being with us in particular excpet them herein before named > Q. Did you ever receive a discharge from the service and if so by whom was > it given and what has become of it > A. I received nothing but a verbal dishcarge I beieve the whole of the > company to which I belonged were all verbally discharged when the news of > peace reached us > Q. State the names of person to whom you are known in your present > neighborhood and who can testify as to your present Charlter for veracity > and their beief of your service as a soldier in the Revolution > A. I am well known to my general neigborhood and expect al who knoes me > would give me a good character for veracity and also believe that I served > as a soldier of the revolution I will here state the names of William > Vantrease a Clergyman and Benjamin Prichkette or Prichette who both live > near me and sho have both been acquiainted with me for many years. > > Court stuff... > > That's it on the pension application....not sure why it was rejected...this > file is in the pension records twice...looked like they microfilmed it twice > for some reason...but both were the same... > ______________________________> X-Message: #2 > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:30:50 -0800 > From: "Charlotte Coats" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: VA records research > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > http://www.historiccourtrecords.org/default.asp > > Good research site for VA

HeritageQuest Online has all the Revolutionary pension files online!! the complete files... All you need is a library card from your local library if they subscribe to the HeritageQuest Online service!! Char

http://www.historiccourtrecords.org/default.asp Good research site for VA

Abstract of his pension file....looks like the pension application was rejected, but he was a minute man...not one of the regular regiments....so that may still qualify for DAR...not sure...he applied for the pension in 1843 and died in 1844 Abstract of application: State of TN: Wilson County declaration dated April 20, 1843 John Baker a resident of Wilson County TN aged 96 years service info: He entered service in Stafford County VA as a volunteer under Captain JohnVant he doesn't recollect the names of any of the ? officers of the company except the first Sargeant he recollects that the name of that officer was Ford; doesn't recall the date that he entered the service bt was some time previous to the declaraion of Independence; he was first mustered into service at an old Field about eight or nine miles from the Rive Potomac, Vants company which be belonged then marched to the Potomac and there was joined to the regiment called the regiment of minutte men commanded by Colonel William Philips, they marched down the River potomac serveral miles, they camped near the river for serveral days, then dismissed and returned home with orders to return to the river when ever notified to do so, that said regiment was kept organised as a regiment of Minuttte men to prevent the British ? from coming up the river and plundering the inhabitance and precuring fresh water, he was often called out and encamped upon the river generally from ten to twenty days at a time and sometimes longer sometimes would be dismissed and in the course of one or two days would be called out and incamped and marched up and down the river, did this til the end of the war. During his service Capt Vant resigned and the company was then commanded during the remainder of the time by Capt William Hardin....signed John Baker (his mark) Declaration of William Vantrease andBenjamin Pritchett Questions and Answers: Q. When and in what year were you born A. I was born in Stafford County VA in the month of January 1747 or 1743 or 1741 Q. Have you any record of your age and if so where is it A. My age was recorded in a Bible before I removed from the state of VA, which I left there and I have had no record of my age since that time Q. Where were you living when called into service where have you lived since Revolutionary War and where do you now live A. I lived in Stafford County VA when I was called into service I removed from there about 18 months after the war - I went to South Carolina on BROAD RIVER about 60 or 70 miles from Charleston remained there about three years I then removed to Red River, Logan County Kentucky resided there about 14 years - was in a campaign of 16 days against the Indians under Colonel Whitley and removed from there to PON River (not sure of the name of that river) in Kentucky resided there about 3 years then removed to BEDFORD CONTY TN remained there about 9 years I then removed to Wilson County TN where I now reside Q. How were you called into service were you draughted di you volunteer were you a substitute and if a substitute for whom A. Entered the service as a volunteer under Captain John Vant I served all the time as a volunteer Q. State the names of some of the regular officers who were with the troops where you can recollect and the general circumstances of your service A. I do no now recollect that there was any regular troops with the regiment in which I served if there was any regular or continental malitia troops with us I can not now recollect the officers there might sometimes have been other malitia with us besides the regiment to which I belonged but if so I cannot now state by who they were commanded. I recollect no other officer being with us in particular excpet them herein before named Q. Did you ever receive a discharge from the service and if so by whom was it given and what has become of it A. I received nothing but a verbal dishcarge I beieve the whole of the company to which I belonged were all verbally discharged when the news of peace reached us Q. State the names of person to whom you are known in your present neighborhood and who can testify as to your present Charlter for veracity and their beief of your service as a soldier in the Revolution A. I am well known to my general neigborhood and expect al who knoes me would give me a good character for veracity and also believe that I served as a soldier of the revolution I will here state the names of William Vantrease a Clergyman and Benjamin Prichkette or Prichette who both live near me and sho have both been acquiainted with me for many years. Court stuff... That's it on the pension application....not sure why it was rejected...this file is in the pension records twice...looked like they microfilmed it twice for some reason...but both were the same...

For those of you that have not upgraded to the 37 marker test...you may want to consider that in light of the test results out of Marm's group....could make a difference... Char

Most interesting. This is the William we had no idea was related to the Marm group. My 37 point Marmaduke test is overdue, but hopefully will be in any day now. It looks like the 37 point is going to be useful to sort us out for closeness in that South Carolina area. At 09:41 PM 1/16/2005, you wrote: >Ok, we got more test results in: > >http://www.coatsarchive.us/dna.html > >William of VA in Marm's group came back with a pretty wide spread at 37 >markers and you may want to rethink whether he's related to the rest of >the group... > >Char > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== >Find out where your Coate/s family fits. Join the Coats/Coates/Coate DNA >Project, http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/dna.htm > LINDA COATE, Columbus, Ohio [email protected] www.ancestrees.com

I do have then all uploaded and linked, just don't have them converted to .jpg files yet....so they, SC, all works but are in .pdf files... Char

oops, sorry, I've got all the records for SC uploaded but not all the links changed yet....I'm working on it....:) Char

Ok, folks...this looks promising...the only William Coats in the Charleston area that this could possibly fit is the William Coats wife Mary, I think her father was a Daniel Green...recall we have a James Green Coats in Rev Will's line as well.... I've not checked any of this out yet...and 1788 seems a bit early for a marriage date...but I don't know anything about the William Coats and Mary, as I recall there was no will for a William and Mary in SC other than the William Coats and Mary on the Bush River...boy, does that put us back to square one or what... But I think Orangeburg was the county where the Polk Swamp was and seems to me that's where their land was, also seems there was either a James or John in that county as well... So will see what I can find... Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: Janet Burks <[email protected]> To: "Charlotte Coats" <[email protected]> Subject: John Baker of Wilson Co, TN Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:33:43 -0600 Char, This is our theory so far. We hope this will help and hopefully lead you to more proof. We searched for any John Baker estate that was from $1,000-$2,000 in TN. Each of Nancy's heirs got $17.50 x say 14 children or heirs you have between $175 and $245 for Nancy's part of an estate that she received. If there were more heirs you can see the estate would be bigger than $245.00 at the least. Nancy is probably the daughter of John BAKER who died about 1844 in Wilson County, Tennessee. There are two Wilson County estates, the first John Baker died about 1819, his estate being worth less than $200 could not be the right man. The other John BAKER of Wilson County, Tennessee died about 1844, his administrator being William WRIGHT. The initial settlement of this estate in 1846 contained a balance of only $17.50 in the administrator's hands, with his services estimated at $100 not yet paid. Not included in the account at that time, were 5 Negroes whose value was estimated at about $2000. After their sale, and payment of other debts, there remained $1600 for distribution to heirs, which were not named. No further account or distribution of this estate was found. On 18 June 1850 Nancy BAKER's heirs received from $175-$245 each from the estate of John BAKER "of Tennessee." This timing fits when Nancy's heirs received the funds.This John BAKER estate was the only Tennessee John BAKER estate found that was of sufficient value (other than the John of Montgomery County whose heirs were identified in his will). This John BAKER was a Revolutionary War pensioner, stating he had been born in 1747 in Stafford County, Virginia, being age 96 when he applied on 20 April 1843 from Wilson County. From his application, about 18 months after the war he moved to South Carolina, about 60-70 miles from Charleston for about 3 years that would place him in South Carolina about 1785-1788. The end of that period (1788) would be about when Nancy BAKER was to have married William COATS. William COATS was from South Carolina. Get back with me when you can. Thanks so much, Janet At 11:07 PM 1/15/2005, you wrote: >Say, I guess there are a few Bakers there...:) > >Looks like there are two John Baker's one died early 1800s....the other >still living around 1830 or so...the John Baker who shows up in Nancy's >probate case in MO would have died around 1849, I'm guessing that since his >estate hadn't been distributed before her death, he must have died about >the same time she did... > >It appears you didn't find a will for a John Baker there in 1849 or there >abouts? > >This will surely drive me nuts!! > >Char > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Janet Burks <[email protected]> >To: "Charlotte Coats" <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: Deeds-on Hickman Creek etc. >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:54:11 -0600 > >Dear Char, > I am so sorry have not gotten back with you. Please forgive me. >Christmas was hectic. This was the first day I had to take down the >Christmas tree and decorations. My father in law has been in the >hospital. We didn't work much over Christmas on these TN Baker records. >I have a few more records for you and will try to send them this week. By >the looks of it we believe your Nancy's father is John and not Sylvester. >Trouble is there is more than one John. > > The HUMPHREY BAKER in Rutherford Co. is probably our Humphrey the son of >Rev.Robert Baker. We just proved him. He's in Williamson Co,TN as wel. >Hope this helps. >Janet This is what I've gleamed from the few Rutherford Co,Tn records >I've read: > >RUTHERFORD CO, TN > >1820 Rutherford Co, TN >p 93 Nathan Baker 021201-0200105 >p 78 Joshua Baker 320001-1101003 >p 92 John Baker 010301-0201104 >p 100 Jacob Baker 000100-1010 > >DPL >Deed index (film here is very dim and hard to read) >1804-1840 >Grantee John Baker - W.A. Sublett J p 213 > Nathan - Elizabeth J Fuller L p 208 >Daniel - James Sanders L p 429 >1820 Grantor: HUMPHREY BAKER - Daniel Winsell Bk O p 383 >Grantee John Baker - Thomas Sheete died Bk O p 1 >1826 Grantor JohnBaker -George Smith Q p 355 > John Baker - Charles Ballentine R p 324 >1830 John Baker - A M Johnson Bk S p 256 >1832 Grantee German Baker - Wm H. Bowman T p 181 >1838 Grantor Norman Baker & wf - Wm Caldwell X p 218 >Court of Pleas >Vol A 1804-1807 none >Vol B 1807-1808 >p 39 1807 July 6 John Hall & Martha Baker exec & executrix of last Will of >WILLIAM BAKER decd proven by witness >ROBERT BAKER >p 81 1807 Oct 6 Martha Baker exec of LWT of JOHN BAKER returned court >inventory est of JOHN BAKER decd >Vol C. 1808-1810 >Court case 4 oct 1808 due to demise of David Afflect vs CONRAD Baker - >plantiff atttory JOhn Ried not to procute further >Vol 1811-1812 >p 163 1811July 2 court Wm Edward vs JohnBaker plaintiff leave is granted >him to obtain commission to take deposition of RANEY BROWN in the State of >KENTUCKY by given thirty days notice. >p 186 1811 Oct 8 court Wm Edwards vs Benjamin & John Baker mot8ion of >defendants by their council leave is granted to amend original writ by >striking out the name Benjamin Baker on terms the plaintiff paying cost >accruing from the services of the write on sd Benjamin. >p 210 1811 OCt 9 Thomas STONE to George R Nash 1 lot of land town of >Jefferson. Deed-James Daughty & Eliza Daughety to Charles KAVANAUGH, John >BAKER John Winn, Wm T Leveatt, John Hoover, Joseph Burris for 1 acre >proven by Peter Winn witness >p 222 1812 Jan 6, Deed James and Eliz Daughaty to Charles Kavanaugh, >JOSHUA Baker, JOhn Winn, Wm Thweatt, John Hoover and Joseph Burns 1 ac of >land >Vol F 1812-1830 none Vol G 1813-1814 none >Vol H 1814-1815 >p 8 1814 ordered by court Sheriff of RCT bring into court the body of >SAMUEL BAKER now confined in the jail of this county. It is ordered by >court Saml Baker be remained tojail until Fri next >p 53 1815 Jan 15, sheriff bring into this court SAML Baker now confinded >in jail of this county >p 54 State vs SAMUEL Baker the defendants was committed to jail of this >county to be kept by them until sitting of the county court being this day >brought up at the bar. It was therefore moved by his council as no >prosecutor appearing that he be discharged….coart has no jurisdiction of >the offense. Charges against him are discharged. >Vol I 1815-1816 none, Vol K 1816-1817 none, >Vol L 1817-1818 >p 190 1817 Oct 20, James Robinson this day appointed constable for this >county who gave bond with Daniel Boatright >and JEHU Baker his securities and took oath of office. >p 244 1818 Mar 2, deed from Ezekiel J Fuller to NATHAN Baker for 45 ac ack >open court by Hezekiel Fuller >Vol N 1819- >p 6 1819 Mar 8, deed From Thos Shute to John(Jehu) Baker 100 ac, proven >by John Hoover witness >p 31 Baker & Brown vs George E Harris -plaintiff recover against >defendant the debt (57.00) and court cost >p 114 no date , Transfer of platt and survey fromThomas Moore to Alexander >Nisbett for 10 ac proven in court by ABRAM Baker and John Brashear >witnesses >p 177 Daniel Bane vs CONRAD Baker --case to be dismissed >Vol O 1819-1820 none > >Roll 73 > Wills, Inventories, Settlements 1820-1832 Vol V typed index --no Baker's >, Mathias Broyles p 26,116 > >Shreveport: >microfilm index to deeds Vol A-C 1804-1890 (dim film) >John Baker grantee - U.S. Sublett J p 213 >Nathan Baker grantee - Eliz J Fuller L p 208 >Wm Bryant grantee - Jon and Wm Davidson? L p 329 >Daniel Baker grantee - James Sanders? L p 429 >HUMPHREY BAKER - Daniel Wi?? O p 393 > > >At 10:14 PM 1/15/2005, you wrote: >>Janet there is a John Baker in Rutherford County TN….see link >> >><http://www.copies1918.com/rutherford-h.html>http://www.copies1918.com/rutherford-h.html >> >>I think I’ll do some nosing around in that county in the next few >>months….deeds and wills first… >> >>Char >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Janet Burks [mailto:[email protected]] >>Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:00 PM >>To: Baker,Sylvester-Charlotte Coats >>Subject: Deeds-on Hickman Creek etc. >> >>Char, >>If you can add to this please do let me know. I don't have any of the >>Coats deeds abstracted. >>Rev. Robert Baker had sons Robert Jr b ca 1778, Jacob, Esau as far as we >>know at his point. Probably a Rev Thomas Hickman Baker who DNA matches >>us and maybe a Samuel and John??? >>Rev. Robert's father Humphrey had a wife named Anna. We also have the >>names Hiram, Malahan and Tabitha in our family. >>We've just started researching this area since finding our Rev. Robert was >>the same man on Hickmans Creek. >>Thanks, >>Janet >> >>Davidson Co,TN formed 1783 >>Robertson Co, TN formed 1796 >> >>SUMNER COUNTY, TENNESSEE (formed 1786 from Davidson Co, TN) >> Sumner County, Tennessee Deed Abstracts 1793-1805 >>pp. 28-29 14 June 1796 Azchariah GREEN to Thomas EGNEW tract on east side >>Drack's [Creek]. Wit. D. BEARD, Robt. BAKER >>(Beard's associated with our Baker's in Greene/Campbell Co TN) >> >>(I'm not sure this is Rev Robert?? I've got him in the 1797 tax roll of >>Madison Co, KY and he left after that. This may be a younger Robert??) >> >>p. 195 >>3 Mar. 1798 Thomas HAFLER, Gates Co., NC to John BAKER of Montgomery Co., >>TN, 320 acres, 1/2 of tract granted to William WALTON 27 Apr. 1793 on east >>said of creek that empties into Roaring River. >> >>p. 107 >>18 Aug. 1802 John BAKER of Robertson Co., TN to Thomas HOBDY, tract of >>east side Sulfer Lick Creek of Drake's Creek of Barren, being 514 acres >>part of a Military Warrant #2303 granted BAKER by patent in 1789. Wit.: >>John BAKER, Jr., James BRACKLIN. >>(John Jr probably a young son ?) >> >> >>SMITH COUNTY, TENNESSEE (formed 1799 from Sumner) >> Deeds 1800-1807 Smith County, Tennessee >>B:101 >>4 June 1802 Thomas HICKMAN of Davidson County to Henry MOORE of Smith >>County, land on the south side of the Cumberland adjoining Robert BAKER's >>320 acre survey on the headwaters of Hickman's Creek. >>Wit.: Chas. KAVANAUGH, Thos. FLOOD >>(Charles Kavanaugh from Madison Co,KY where Rev. Robert resided before >>coming to this area of TN.) >> >>B:102-103 >>5 April 1802 John BAKER of Robertson County to William NEEL of Smith >>County, land adjoining KAVANAUGH. >>Wit. Chas. KAVANAUGH, Robt. McCARTER, Edward GOOD >> >>B:115-116 >>20 June 1802 Charles KAVANAUGH of Smith County to William NEEL of the >>same, south side of Cumberland, part of tract purchased from Jno. BAKER. >> >>B:142-143 >>14 October 1802 Dan WILLIAMS of Madison County, KY to Andrew Johnson >>KAVENAUGH of Wilson County, TN. >>Wit.: Andrew GOFF, James SCOBEY, John BAKER >> >>Deeds 1807-1811 Smith County, Tennessee >>C:59-60 >>7 April 1807 Warrant 509 from NC, located 10 Sep. 1788 surveyed for >>Obadiah BAKER, assignee of Stephen TRUIT for 640 acres in Sumner County on >>east side of Smith's Fork of Caney Creek >> >>C:230-231 >>17 Dec. 1808 >>John BAKER of Robertson County to John ALLEN of Smith County, part of 1000 >>acre grant to John BAKER as assignee of heirs of Wm. HARGROVE. >> >>(We need to research William Hargrove and see if John Baker married his >>daughter or what relationship he had to Hargrove. ) >> >> Deeds 1811-1814 Smith County, Tennessee >>D:133-134 >>21 Apr. 1812 Obediah BAKER of Clark County, GA to Sylvester BAKER of Smith >>County, power of attorney regarding 640 acres on Smith Fork of Caney Fork >>of Cumberland River. >> >>Deeds 1814-1816 Smith County, Tennessee >>E:79-80 >>14 July 1814 >>Sylvester BAKER of Smith County to Bethel ALLEN of same, tract on Smiths >>Fork. >> >>Deeds 1816-1819 Smith County, Tennessee >>F: 128 and 129 1817 Sylvester BAKER of Warren County. >> >>F:210 >>11 Sep. 1817 Bethel ALLEN of St. Charles County, MO territory to James >>READ of Smith County, tract on Smith's Fork , adjacent Obediah BAKER. >> >>Two days later: >> >>F:514 >>13 Sep. 1817 Robert BAKER of Smith County to Samuel BURKS of Wilson County >>in Smith and Wilson Counties on headwaters of Hickman Creek where BAKER >>now lives beginning at Buckeye on N.W. Corner; south to Branch; down >>Branch to Fork; up other Branch to Richard BELCHER; east to Sugar corner >>James POWELL; north 226 poles to beginning. >>Wit.: Pollis NEEL, William NEEL, Richard BELCHER, Robert B. WILLIAMS >>Proved Feb. 1819 by BELCHER and WILLIAMS >> >>I believe William Coats last deed was in Dec 1817? >> >>WILSON CO, TN (formed 1799 from Sumner) >> A:128 >>8 November 1800 John BAKER of Robertson County, TN to Matthew FIGURES of >>Wilson County for $640, 640 acres on the headwaters of Hickmans Creek in >>Wilson County beginning at a poplar and sugartree running S 226 poles to >>two beeches then W 452 poles to a stake then N 226 poles to a stake then E >>452 poles to beginning. >>Signed: /s/ Robert BAKER >>Wit.: Alex C. CARRUTH, Walter CARRUTH >> >>( Rev. Robert Baker and one JOHN BAKER both resided on the "headwaters" >>of Hickmans Creek in 1800. ) >> >>A:132 >>20 March 1801 Robert BAKER of Wilson County to Edmund POWELL, $150, 100 >>acres in Wilson County beginning at a sugar tree 226 poles from a noted >>white walnut corner near the mouth of the boiling fountain fork of >>Hickmans Creek then W 71 poles to a sugartree then N 226 poles to an ash >>sugar tree and dogwood, then S 226 poles to the beginning. >>Signed: Robert BAKER >>No witness >> >>A:181 >>15 March 1799 Thomas HICKMAN of [blank] County, TN to Robert BAKER of >>Davidson County for $320, 320 acres in Sumner County on the head waters of >>Hickmans Creek, a branch of the Caney Fork, joining Thomas HICKMAN's >>survey of 640 acres, beginning at a Buckeye running S 226 poles to a red >>oak then E 226 poles to a stake Charles KAVANAUGH's lines then N 226 poles >>to the beginning. >>Signed: Thomas HICKMAN >>Wit.: William TRIG, Humphry BAKER, William HENDERSON, Chas. KAVANAUGH >> >>(This is Humphrey Baker who married Sally Hyde in Davidson Co, marriages.) >> >>C:93 >>13 Nov. 1807 Robert BAKER of Smith County to Matthew CARTWRIGHT of Wilson >>County, for $68, a tract of land,"it being part of Robert BAKERs tract of >>land in the County of Wilson and State aforesaid and it being part of >>Robert BAKERs tract of land he now lived on" on headwaters Hickmans Creek, >>being the southwest corner of said BAKER's land beginning at a red oak the >>NW corner of Henry MOOREs now Peter CARTWRIGHTs land running E 50 poles to >>a stake on the bank of the creek then with the creek to the fork, up said >>for to said Robert BAKERs line to a sugar tree then S to the beginning. >>Signed: Robert BAKER >>Wit.: Lewis BICKERS, Petter? RAGLIN >> >> > >Always Remember: Without documentation, genealogy is mythology! > > Always Remember: Without documentation, genealogy is mythology!

Ok, we got more test results in: http://www.coatsarchive.us/dna.html William of VA in Marm's group came back with a pretty wide spread at 37 markers and you may want to rethink whether he's related to the rest of the group... Char

Well, page two of the Newberry documents is up....all of the SC records should now be online....page two of Newberry is in .jpg files...transcriptions wouldn't convert, so they are still in .pdf files....some converted but other didn't, no clue as to why.... this is a slow process....ufda.... Char

Similar information contained in articles about the Kurgans. You can read about them on the web == just type in Kurgans. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte Coats" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 3:27 PM Subject: [COATES-L] One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq > I knew it....:) > > ********************* > One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq > > SHARON WARD > > > ABOUT 20 per cent of all Scots have Iraqi blood, according to a new book and > television series examining the pre-history of what is now Scotland. > > The remaining four in five Scots are descended from bands of > hunter-gatherers who came from England and northern Europe after the Ice Age > - dispelling the myth of the Scots as a mongrel race made up of Romans, > Angles, Vikings, Normans and other arrivals. > > These revelations come from a documentary series Before Scotland: The Story > of Scotland Before History, to be screened later this year on STV and > Grampian. > > The programmes - accompanied by a book - also claim the mythical land of > Atlantis existed in what we now know as the North Sea, and that many Scots > spoke Old Welsh before Gaelic. > > And they dispel the myth that the population in 4000BC was made up of > grunting cavemen running around in animal skins, saying the people were > actually very similar to Scots today. > > Alistair Moffat, the writer and producer of the series, said many people > would be surprised by the findings: "We find it very difficult to believe > that 10,000 years ago people who looked like us lived on this island, hunted > and gathered food, had families that they cared for, talked about ideas, > gossiped, told funny stories, lied and were often worried about the future. > > "Yet all the evidence shows that they were indeed like us, and, further, > they were in fact our direct ancestors. They deserve a history and nothing > less," added Mr Moffat. > > Telling the country's story from the end of the last Ice Age - about 8000BC > - to the fall of the Pictish kingdom, the series ends in 900AD when the name > Alba, Gaelic for Scotland, came into common use. > > The original name Scotland, said Mr Moffat, meant the Land of the Pirates. > > Using new research into Scottish DNA by Professor Bryan Sykes of the Oxford > Ancestors Project, the revelation that some Scots have an exotic set of > Iraqi ancestors is also backed by his research, which traced the movement of > early farmers in the centuries around 4000BC. It showed them coming from > Iraq and ultimately to prehistoric Scotland. > > Fi Harris, marketing and communications consultant for the Scottish > genealogy website ScotlandsPeople, said: "It certainly promises to offer a > fascinating and innovative insight into Scottish ancestry and the role it > has played in shaping modern-day Scotland. > > "Since we launched ScotlandsPeople in 2002, interest in genealogy has soared > and we now have over 245,000 registered users. > > "Although this new documentary concentrates on 8000BC to 900AD, it will help > to demonstrate how fascinating it can be to trace the lives of our > ancestors." > > . Before Scotland: The Story of Scotland Before History, by Alistair Moffat, > is published by Thames and Hudson on 31 January > > > > ==== COATES Mailing List ==== > To > unsubscribe, send the command "unsubscribe" to > [email protected] (if in mail mode) or > [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > >

I knew it....:) ********************* One in five Scots has blood tie to ancient Iraq SHARON WARD ABOUT 20 per cent of all Scots have Iraqi blood, according to a new book and television series examining the pre-history of what is now Scotland. The remaining four in five Scots are descended from bands of hunter-gatherers who came from England and northern Europe after the Ice Age - dispelling the myth of the Scots as a mongrel race made up of Romans, Angles, Vikings, Normans and other arrivals. These revelations come from a documentary series Before Scotland: The Story of Scotland Before History, to be screened later this year on STV and Grampian. The programmes - accompanied by a book - also claim the mythical land of Atlantis existed in what we now know as the North Sea, and that many Scots spoke Old Welsh before Gaelic. And they dispel the myth that the population in 4000BC was made up of grunting cavemen running around in animal skins, saying the people were actually very similar to Scots today. Alistair Moffat, the writer and producer of the series, said many people would be surprised by the findings: "We find it very difficult to believe that 10,000 years ago people who looked like us lived on this island, hunted and gathered food, had families that they cared for, talked about ideas, gossiped, told funny stories, lied and were often worried about the future. "Yet all the evidence shows that they were indeed like us, and, further, they were in fact our direct ancestors. They deserve a history and nothing less," added Mr Moffat. Telling the country’s story from the end of the last Ice Age - about 8000BC - to the fall of the Pictish kingdom, the series ends in 900AD when the name Alba, Gaelic for Scotland, came into common use. The original name Scotland, said Mr Moffat, meant the Land of the Pirates. Using new research into Scottish DNA by Professor Bryan Sykes of the Oxford Ancestors Project, the revelation that some Scots have an exotic set of Iraqi ancestors is also backed by his research, which traced the movement of early farmers in the centuries around 4000BC. It showed them coming from Iraq and ultimately to prehistoric Scotland. Fi Harris, marketing and communications consultant for the Scottish genealogy website ScotlandsPeople, said: "It certainly promises to offer a fascinating and innovative insight into Scottish ancestry and the role it has played in shaping modern-day Scotland. "Since we launched ScotlandsPeople in 2002, interest in genealogy has soared and we now have over 245,000 registered users. "Although this new documentary concentrates on 8000BC to 900AD, it will help to demonstrate how fascinating it can be to trace the lives of our ancestors." • Before Scotland: The Story of Scotland Before History, by Alistair Moffat, is published by Thames and Hudson on 31 January

New DNA posted, no family file yet...matched Marm's group...Vi, I think this was the test you were looking for.... http://www.coatsarchive.us Char

http://165.138.44.13/washington/75.htm FYI....Char

I don't have any information on this Jacob Coats, but I was wondering if anyone had an estimated date of birth on him. That might be a good point of departure and possibly rule out some connections. An interesting problem; just wish I had an answer. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte Coats" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:42 PM Subject: [COATES-L] FW: more information - Coats - Chili ----Original Message Follows---- From: "PATRICIA GUTIERREZ" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: more information Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 04:27:49 +0000 Dear Char: Thanks for all your information, today I called my mother in Santiago, and she said me my great-great-grandfather was Mr.Jacob Coats he arrived to Chile ( I don´t know the year) and lived in a little town named " Villa Alegre de Loncomilla", he was propietor to a "flourmill", Molino La Palmilla in V. Alegre ( near Talca town), and also said about him he was propietor to Cadena factory. (that information I don´t know if is really). Jacob Coats was the father of my great-grandfather Mr.Deleison Coats( we don´t know the mane of Jacob wife). Deleison Coats, my great-grandfather was married whit Mrs.Maria de los Santos Suazo, they was had 5 childs. - Carmela Coats Suazo - Lucía Coats Suazo - Juan Coats Suazo - Artemisa Coats Suazo - Eliseo Coats Suazo (my grandfather born 14/10/1896- dead in 1936) Jacob Coats had another woman and his child was named his second name Coatt. I have cousins here in Chile but I don´t have comunications .They are: - Erna, Roberto, Ingrid Coats Praysler - Ana Valdivia Coats They are my family. PATRICIA. - - ==== COATES Mailing List ==== Find out where your Coate/s family fits. Join the Coats/Coates/Coate DNA Project, http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/dna.htm

----Original Message Follows---- From: "PATRICIA GUTIERREZ" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: more information Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 04:27:49 +0000 Dear Char: Thanks for all your information, today I called my mother in Santiago, and she said me my great-great-grandfather was Mr.Jacob Coats he arrived to Chile ( I donŽt know the year) and lived in a little town named " Villa Alegre de Loncomilla", he was propietor to a "flourmill", Molino La Palmilla in V. Alegre ( near Talca town), and also said about him he was propietor to Cadena factory. (that information I donŽt know if is really). Jacob Coats was the father of my great-grandfather Mr.Deleison Coats( we donŽt know the mane of Jacob wife). Deleison Coats, my great-grandfather was married whit Mrs.Maria de los Santos Suazo, they was had 5 childs. - Carmela Coats Suazo - Lucía Coats Suazo - Juan Coats Suazo - Artemisa Coats Suazo - Eliseo Coats Suazo (my grandfather born 14/10/1896- dead in 1936) Jacob Coats had another woman and his child was named his second name Coatt. I have cousins here in Chile but I donŽt have comunications .They are: - Erna, Roberto, Ingrid Coats Praysler - Ana Valdivia Coats They are my family. PATRICIA. - -

Stockton, Thomas Coates, The Stockton family of New Jersey : and other Stocktons Washington, D.C.: The Carnahan Press, 1911, 424 pgs. James Wesley Coates b Nov 10, 1859 m Sarah Babkirk lives at Havelock, N.B. son of George Murray and Mary Jane Stockton Coates has this complete family in here...