Was his wife Mary's maiden name Preston rather than Langsdale? It appears from the will, that his father in law was Samuel Preston whose wife was Margaret Preston?? Charlotte ----Original Message Follows---- From: osborn cresson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [COATES-L] Re: Sam Coats - 1748 - PA Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:27:33 -0500 Yes, you have the will of Samuel Coates (1711-1748; PA Will Book I, p. 14; http://www.coatsarchive.us/pennsylvdocs.html). He was the son of Thomas Coates and Beulah Jacques, and the son-in-law of Josiah Langdale and Margaret Burton. Before leaving for America in 1723 to seek religious liberty, Josiah sensed that he might die and he had a coffin built. As Mary Coates wrote in Aunt Mary's Patchwork, he became ill and "died very happily when about three days out, singing a 'melodious song' unto the Lord just before his death. He was committed to the deep, but his coffin floated back to England, near to his old home, where his remains were recognized and he was buried from his own meeting-house." He lived in Bridlington in Yorkshire and was about 50 years old. His widow wrote, "This testimony I have to give of him, that he was an affectionate, loving husband, a tender father, a kind master, a good neighbor, a faithful friend; full of compassion, ready to forgive injuries and to reach a helping hand to the afflicted; and he himself was given up and devoted to what he believed to be his indispensable duty." (p. 25) A good example for us to follow. Margaret Burton Langdale later became the second wife of Samuel Preston. Os Cresson ==== COATES Mailing List ==== Find out where your Coate/s family fits. Join the Coats/Coates/Coate DNA Project, http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/dna.htm

----Original Message Follows---- From: "KATE WORRELL" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Coates Family in PA/NJ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:30:58 -0500 I came across your website in a search for ancestors. I am descended from a Thomas L. Coates who was born in 1800 and married Deborah C. Johnston. They had a son named William, named after his father's brother. And, a daughter named Laura T. Coates. In William Coates' journal, son of Thomas and Deborah, he states that his father was from a rich and aristocratic family in Pennsylvania, but, through reverses in business, became poor. His mother was of a southern family that came north before the revolution. William states that he was born on Dec. 5, 1859 in Bristol, Bucks County, Pennsylvania at the Old Shipyard near Hollow Creek on the north branch of the Delaware river. Laura T. Coates was born in 1844 and married William Armour Worrell of Burlington, New Jersey. Laura and William are my gggrand-parents. I have not been able to find any information about this line. I just thought that you might be interested, as you have quite an extensive list of Coates. Sincerely, Tom Worrell

Yes, you have the will of Samuel Coates (1711-1748; PA Will Book I, p. 14; http://www.coatsarchive.us/pennsylvdocs.html). He was the son of Thomas Coates and Beulah Jacques, and the son-in-law of Josiah Langdale and Margaret Burton. Before leaving for America in 1723 to seek religious liberty, Josiah sensed that he might die and he had a coffin built. As Mary Coates wrote in Aunt Mary's Patchwork, he became ill and "died very happily when about three days out, singing a 'melodious song' unto the Lord just before his death. He was committed to the deep, but his coffin floated back to England, near to his old home, where his remains were recognized and he was buried from his own meeting-house." He lived in Bridlington in Yorkshire and was about 50 years old. His widow wrote, "This testimony I have to give of him, that he was an affectionate, loving husband, a tender father, a kind master, a good neighbor, a faithful friend; full of compassion, ready to forgive injuries and to reach a helping hand to the afflicted; and he himself was given up and devoted to what he believed to be his indispensable duty." (p. 25) A good example for us to follow. Margaret Burton Langdale later became the second wife of Samuel Preston. Os Cresson

I have added the documents for PA and most of the docs for NJ now....will be working on the anaylsis pages next... But interesting is the Samuel Coats of Philly who died in 1748: http://www.coatsarchive.us/pennsylvdocs.html Linda, is he the one you have listed as married to Mary Langsdale...it would appear that his will names his daughter Margaret's grandparents as Margaret and Samuel Preston... Also interesting is the finding of a James Coats who died in Philly in 1705, who was suppose to have a brother named Samuel Coats, and there doesn't appear to be any estate records for a Samuel Coats of that time period?? Char

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Wonderful. I didn't think we needed a 37 marker test for the close knit South Carolina Coates related to Marmaduke until I read the article Charlotte forwarded stating that our R1B type was the most common 12 point type there was and that the only real way to differentiate that group was to have a 37 marker test. Looks like that was an understatement. Of the extended DNA we have from that group so far, Marmaduke only has the exact same DNA as the William Coate of Ohio and Indiana. The others have similarities but are probably related a further back in time. At 01:34 PM 2/8/2005, you wrote: >We have a new 37 marker test back for the Coats DNA project....this >completes the test for Marmaduke out of SC... > >Char > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== >Find out where your Coate/s family fits. Join the Coats/Coates/Coate DNA >Project, http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/dna.htm > LINDA COATE, Columbus, Ohio [email protected] www.ancestrees.com

Robbie Griggs Landry wrote: >Does anyone have a clue who this Elijah Coats belongs too?? > >He is in Yazoo County, Mississippi > > Name Spouse Marriage Date County Save This > > Elijah Coats Emma Wafford 01 Jan 1881 Yazoo > Elijah Coats Sophia Johnson 20 Dec 1883 Yazoo > Sophia Johnson Elijah Coats 20 Dec 1883 Yazoo > Emma Wafford Elijah Coats 01 Jan 1881 Yazoo > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== >Find out where your Coate/s family fits. Join the Coats/Coates/Coate DNA Project, http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/dna.htm > > >Robbie; I don't have a connection for this Elijah. However, I think there was a yellow fever epidemic in 1882 which may have killed his first wife. Just conjecture. > > John Coats

We have a new 37 marker test back for the Coats DNA project....this completes the test for Marmaduke out of SC... Char

These discussions are really interesting, note the discussions on public domain records a repository has...and this might be why they hesitate to digitize their collections i.e. for genealogy research... 1. These records are an ASSET, used to generate income for the respository 2. We use PUBLIC DOMAN records from them and once they release a copy the ASSET value of the record is gone because they no longer control the record... 3. In Peter's article was mention of charges for the information....it sounds to me, like *what the market will bear* was the charge threshold....that by the way, can and usually is a pretty high threshold....I'd say from our petition, they've gone beyond what *the market will bear*.... I do believe however, some of this *concern* on their part could be eliminated with web databases and a nominal fee for use, not much different than going there to look at the records and getting copies I'd say....boy, they are just slow to embrace technology and web use....also remember, that at least state and federal Archive and Libraries receive State and Federal funding, as well as private donations, although that has dropped in years...but never the less, they do still receive substantial funding from state and federal sources...they're basic organizer... Char ************************** From : George Miles <[email protected]> Reply-To : George Miles <[email protected]> Sent : Tuesday, February 8, 2005 7:11 AM To : [email protected] Subject : Re: [ARCHIVES] public domain and charging fees I've found the discussion about publication fees interesting and have appreciated Peter Hirtle's contributions - both in his address to SAA and his recent statements to the list, including his observations about Yale's statement regarding copyright and special collections. I don't however, agree with his take on the question about the ability of repositories to control publication. Some background information about events that contributed to Yale's statement may be helpful. In 1999 and 2000, the director of Beinecke Library, Ralph Franklin, led the library's staff in a full review of our "permission" policies. Mr. Franklin was particularly concerned about understanding both our rights and liabilities under the copyright laws as well as the way our permission policies and fees met or conflicted with our mission to foster teaching and learning. The University Librarian at the time, Scott Bennett, was interested in the conversations and joined our staff to present his own perspectives. I recall that he was particularly concerned that non-profit institutions recognize that while they faced significant economic challenges and had to be wise custodians of their resources, that they also needed to recognize that the government and society had extended significant privileges to them to assist in those areas and that we should try to embody the constitutional principle that copyright was meant to foster creativity and learning rather than to produce income. During the course of our discussions, which soon extended beyond Beinecke to involve other members of Yale's Library system, we brought several experts on intellectual property to campus both to inform us and to brainstorm with us about copyright law. Ann Okerson, our Associate University Librarian for Collections, played an important role in arranging those discussions and was particularly interested in understanding the implications of copyright law for digital library developments. I remember drawing several observations from those discussions that seem directly pertinent to Peter's point about control of publication. First, the experts observed that they believed that the fundamental constitutional principle of copyright, and in particular the place of the public domain, would trump "license" arrangements that attempted to restrict use of public domain materials. As they put it: Yes, we could refuse to allow someone to see a copy of something in the public domain; Yes, we could refuse to make a copy for them; Yes, we could charge them anything we wanted for making that copy. However, once someone had a copy of something in the public domain - whether through manual copying in our reading room or by receiving a photo-facsimile from us, we had no legal standing to prevent their publishing it as they wished. We could, we supposed, refuse to serve such people in the future, but we were very, very unlikely - they told us - to recover any damages if we tried to sue them for "breach of contract." Second, the experts impressed upon us that if we imposed "use" fees on non-public domain material, we might be liable for damage to the copyright holder's interests. That is to say, the law protects the rights of copyright owners to exploit their material without interference from third parties. If our "use" charges reduced the ability of owners to interest third parties in publishing their material or reduced the fees that publishers were willing to pay them, we were interfering with their rights. Note that I am NOT saying that we must make copies available for no charge, nor that we can charge ONLY "costs of reproduction" (whatever that means), but that fees associated only with "permission to publish" would on their face seem a potential interference with the rights of the copyright owner. Any fees need to be applied to the process of providing access -either through access to the reading room or to copies of original material, not to how any notes or copies are later used. In the end, Beinecke dramatically revised its permission policies. We continue to charge photo-duplication fees but no longer charge publication fees. We inform users that we provide copies to them under the fair use provisions of the copyright law and that it is their responsibility to secure permission from copyright owners if their own uses exceed fair use. When we are asked to "grant permission to publish" we respond that unless the Library owns the copyright in the requested material (as we do in a very, very small number of cases), we have no rights to grant OR to deny concerning publication of the material. This frustrates some users and publishers who would like to use us as an assurance that they can publish material, but in truth, such a "shield" never had any standing in court. Having said this, I want to say that I agree with Peter about the nature of copyright in photoduplications and "copy photographs." To my understanding, there is still a gray area in the matter of photographing works of art, especially three-dimensional art because the photographer must make a series of choices about how to approach the subject. This would not seem to be the case in making a microfilm of a book or diary, or an exact copy-print of an illustration from a book, etc. Yes, one photographer may be better than another, but copyright lies in original expression not in skill. In defense of the Yale statement, I think it is useful to understand that it emerged in the context of extensive discussions Yale's vibrant museum and art history community who remain very concerned about the issues associated with use of art photography. George Miles Curator, Yale Collection of Western Americana Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:16:18 -0500 From: Peter Hirtle <[email protected]> Subject: Re: public domain and charging fees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:47 AM 2/7/2005, Kathy Gaynor wrote: Peter, a request. To further our understanding of this complicated issue, would you comment on those portions of the Yale statement on copyright versus use permissions with which you don't agree? Thank you. Sure. FYI, the document is at <http://www.library.yale.edu/special_collections/copyright.html>. I have these concerns: 1. Yale argues that only the copyright owner can grant "permission to publish," but not the institution that owns the document. This may be technically correct (I would have to think about that a bit more), but in practice repositories tend to think of their physical ownership rights as allowing them also to grant "permission to publish." So I think the document may be confusing when it says: If you own a "copy" and the intellectual content has passed into the public domain, you can charge for providing access to your "copy," but you cannot charge for permission to publish, nor can you withhold permission to publish... I think that you can stipulate as a condition of access the terms under which a user could "publish" the document. In effect, you can use your access rights to control publication (though technically the pure "publication right" may belong only to the copyright owner). Some day a court may forbid repositories from using their control of access to control publication, but to date none have. 2. In 2B, the document says "All photographs, even those referred to as 'copy photographs,' are copyrighted." Since the Bridgeman decision, this is wrong. If you are making a copy photograph of a two-dimensional item, and your goal is to reproduce as closely as possible the original item, then the copy photograph does not have enough originality to warrant copyright protection (no matter how much skill or digital manipulation it took to make it). 3. In section 4, they got it backwards. If we have copyright relations with a foreign country, then we don't have to worry about the copyright laws in that country. The foreign work is protected in the US as if it had been created in the US. 4. In the "additional information" section, it says "Works of art are considered to be published when they are publicly displayed." This is wrong. The copyright law states that "A public performance or display of a work does not of itself constitute publication" (though if no provision is made to prevent people from making copies of the work, then publication may have occurred). 5. In recommending the use of the copyright symbol on the page, the page could have made it clear that the use is desirable, but not mandatory, for copyright protection. As I said in my original message, the thing I like the best about this page is that it encourages us to think about the differences between the rights of the copyright owner and the rights of the owner of the physical item. I applaud Yale for trying to address thoughtfully some tough issues, even if they got a few things wrong. A posting from the Archives & Archivists LISTSERV List sponsored by the Society of American Archivists, www.archivists.org. For the terms of participation, please refer to http://www.archivists.org/listservs/arch_listserv_terms.asp. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send e-mail to [email protected] In body of message: SUB ARCHIVES firstname lastname *or*: UNSUB ARCHIVES To post a message, send e-mail to [email protected] Or to do *anything* (and enjoy doing it!), use the web interface at http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/archives.html Problems? Send e-mail to Robert F Schmidt <[email protected]>

Does anyone have a Coats/Coates/Cotes family in Jefferson Co., TN, around 1880? My husband's grandfather, Samuel Earl Dooley, was born in Jefferson Co. in January, 1880, to Alice J. Dooley. He took the name of Dooley, but some years before he died in 1960 in Hamilton Co., TN, he told his family that his father's name was Coats (have no idea which spelling). Searching in Ancestry.com I cannot find a Coats by any spelling in Jefferson Co. in either 1870 or 1880. I have no idea how to go about finding his father with such meager information. Barbara Dooley

Hello to all, I have recently joined this mailing list thinking I might found some additional information about Henrietta. I have looked a little in the archives of this list but haven't found everything I was thinking that I might. Henrietta was born about 1762, either in Va. or Ga. Her youngest child made it to the 1880 census and he said Va. but most people say Ga. I read that there may be a book on this family but don't have that information. Henrietta married John Bankston probably in Ga. They named a son Henry, one Simeon Coates, one Young, one Lesley, and one John Jacques. There were other children but I have seen where these names appear to be part of a Coates family. Henrietta is my gggggrandmother. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Pat

http://dspace.library.cornell.edu/bitstream/1813/52/3/Archives+or+assets.html Archives or Assets? by PETER B. HIRTLE, Cornell University 58th president of the Society of American Archivists That archival records can have monetary value is not a surprise to any practicing archivist. We are custodians of records that are of incalculable value in the study of our history, culture, and values—and that can also be sold on eBay or in an auction house for substantial sums. I have heard it estimated that at my own institution, Cornell University, the library is the single largest asset that the university owns. Since Cornell has among its seventy million manuscripts items such as a copy of the Gettysburg Address in Lincoln's hand and some of James Joyce's manuscripts for Ulysses, it would be easy to imagine that most of the value in the library resides in the archival and manuscript collections.

Name Parents or spouse Home in 1880 (City,County,State) Est. Birth Year Birthplace Relation View Image Save This Augustus COATS Kinny COATS, Mary COATS Free Run, Yazoo, MS <1872> Mississippi Son Dixson Barksdale COATS Kinny COATS, Mary COATS Free Run, Yazoo, MS <1879> Mississippi Son Elija COATS Free Run, Yazoo, MS <1861> Mississippi Something other than a direct relationship Elliott COATS Kinny COATS, Mary COATS Free Run, Yazoo, MS <1873> Mississippi Son G. A. COATS Free Run, Yazoo, MS <1868> Mississippi Something other than a direct relationship Jeff COATS Free Run, Yazoo, MS <1866> Mississippi Something other than a direct relationship Kinny COATS Mary COATS Free Run, Yazoo, MS <1847> Mississippi Self Lucy COATS Kinny COATS, Mary COATS Free Run, Yazoo, MS <1876> Mississippi Daughter Mary COATS Kinny COATS Free Run, Yazoo, MS <1851> North Carolina Wife Carrie COATS W. E. COATS Hart Town, Yazoo, MS <1856> Mississippi Wife Cornelia COATS Louis COATS Hart Town, Yazoo, MS <1862> Alabama Wife Harriett COATS Hart Town, Yazoo, MS <1830> Mississippi Daughter-in-law Louis COATS Cornelia COATS Hart Town, Yazoo, MS <1852> Mississippi Self W. E. COATS Carrie COATS Hart Town, Yazoo, MS <1854> Mississippi Self W. Ricd. COATS Hart Town, Yazoo, MS <1801> Kentucky Self Anthony COATS Midway, Yazoo, MS <1874> Mississippi Stepson Bell COATS Midway, Yazoo, MS <1867> Mississippi Stepdaughter Darkus COATS Midway, Yazoo, MS <1873> Mississippi Something other than a direct relationship Dianna COATS Midway, Yazoo, MS <1850> Mississippi Something other than a direct relationship Elijah COATS Elvire COATS Midway, Yazoo, MS <1822> Mississippi Self

Does anyone know anything about these 2 people from Wilkinson County, Mississippi? Thank you, Robbie

Does anyone have a clue who this Elijah Coats belongs too?? He is in Yazoo County, Mississippi Name Spouse Marriage Date County Save This Elijah Coats Emma Wafford 01 Jan 1881 Yazoo Elijah Coats Sophia Johnson 20 Dec 1883 Yazoo Sophia Johnson Elijah Coats 20 Dec 1883 Yazoo Emma Wafford Elijah Coats 01 Jan 1881 Yazoo

----Original Message Follows---- From: "Judy Russell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Fw: Bush River inquiry -- Newberry SC and Newberry OH Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:13:36 -0500 To the Friends of the Bush River Quaker Cemetery: Jane Gilbert [email protected] has been tracking down some of the Newberry SC families that moved to Ohio and Indiana, particularly those with Gilbert connections. She's been looking at the online Census material, especially. She wrote this morning about some Gilberts, Gaunts, Pearsons, etc that she found in Miami Co OH. The Rebecca Gilbert listed in the 1870 Census with children Lydia and Carry is particularly interesting since those names are repeats of our Gilbert ancestors in the Bush River Cemetery. Rebecca Gauntt married Thomas Gilbert and Thomas Gilbert's sister Lydia married Israel Chandler. Jane homes to hear from anyone researching these families. Below are two messages from Jane Thank you... JudyR ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And check this out. I just discovered this apparent widow and her two children in Miami County in 1870. This family was not there previous to 1870. Those children's names are too coincidental to not have Newberry County ties don't you think? 1870 Miami County, OH Federal Census Rebecca Gilbert Covington, Miami, OH abt 1823 Ohio White Female Lydia Gilbert Covington, Miami, OH abt 1856 Ohio White Female Carry Gilbert Covington, Miami, OH abt 1861 Ohio White Male ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Russell To: Jane Gilbert Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Little Newberry thank you for this. There are several folks on my Bush River Quaker Cemetery list that are from Ohio and Indiana. If you want to write a note to our group, just send me what you want and I'll forward it to the group. jr ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane Gilbert To: Judy Russell Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: Little Newberry Hi Judy, Just thought I'd pass this on in case you ever have use for it. As I'm chasing down these Miami County, OH Gilberts, I've come across numerous census and tax list records that make Miami County look like a little Newberry County. This must have been one of the more popular destinations when people fled SC. You'll notice a lot of familiar names looking at the 1820 tax list below... Jane http://www.tdn-net.com/genealogy/census/1820-mi.htm G530 |Gauntt, Precious | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |Monroe Township |76 | C320 |Coates, Henry |2 |1 | |1 | |1 | |1 |2 | | |3 | | |Union Township |88 | I550 |Inman, Ahab |2 |1 |1 |1 |1 | |3 | |1 |1 | |3 | | |Union Township |88 | C320 |Coates, Moses |4 |1 |1 |2 | |1 | |1 |1 |1 |1 |4 | | |Union Township |88 | C320 |Coates, Samuel |4 |1 |1 |2 | |1 |1 |1 |1 |1 |1 |4 | | |Union Township |88 | W200 |Weeks, Benjamin | | | | | |1 |1 |1 | |1 | |1 | | |Union Township |88 | P625 |Pearson, Enoch |1 | | |1 | |1 | |1 | | |1 |2 | | |Monroe Township |77a| P625 |Pearson, Enoch | | | |2 | |2 | | |1 | |1 |1 | | |Monroe Township |77a| P625 |Pearson, Jonas | |2 | | | |1 |1 | |1 | |1 |3 | | |Monroe Township |77a| P625 |Pearson, Benjamin | | | |1 | | |1 | |1 | | |1 | | |Monroe Township |77a| P625 |Pearson, Enoch | | | | |1 | | |1 | | | |1 | | |Monroe Township |77a| P625 |Pearson, Samuel |2 |3 |1 |1 | |1 | |1 | | |1 |4 | | |Monroe Township |77a| P625 |Pearson, Thomas |3 |1 |1 |2 | |1 | |1 | |1 | |4 | | |Monroe Township |77a| P625 |Pearson, Enoch, Sr. |1 | | |1 | | | |1 |1 | | |1 | | |Monroe Township |76a| P625 |Pearson, Noah |1 | |1 |1 |1 | | | |2 | | |2 | | |Monroe Township |76 | P625 |Pearson, Powell |1 | | | |1 | |1 | | |1 | |1 | | |Monroe Township |76 | P625 |Pearson, Robert | |1 | | |1 | |3 |1 | |1 | |1 | | |Monroe Township |76 | P625 |Pearson, Able |1 |4 | |1 | |1 |2 |1 |1 |1 | |4 | | |Monroe Township |76 | P625 |Pearson, Jacob |1 | | | |1 | |1 | | |1 | |1 | | |Monroe Township |75a| M420 |Miles, Sr., David | | | | | |1 | | | | |1 |1 | | |Newton Township |95a| M420 |Miles, Jr., David |3 | | |1 | | | | |1 | | |1 | | |Newton Township |96 | I550 |Inman, Asa |1 |1 | | |1 | |2 |1 | |1 | |2 | | |Newton Township |96 | I550 |Inman, Eli | | | |1 | | |1 | |1 | | |1 | | |Newton Township |96 | M420 |Miles, William |2 | | | |1 | |2 | | |1 | |1 | | |Newton Township |96 | I550 |Inman, George | | |1 |1 | | | | |1 | | |1 | | |Newton Township |96 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 1/25/2005

I've been looking at William Coates of Davidson Co., TN. His Revolutionary War Pension application is up on Heritagequest.com and the dates of his death or his wife's do not match up with the Austin Coates family bible. I suspect that the Pension application would be more first hand and more accurate. Ex. Susannah goes before a judge to request that her husband's pension be extended to her now that she's a widow. This document is dated Nov. 8, 1845, nine months after the bible record lists her death date. She lists her husbands death date as Oct. 6, 1844. Any thoughts on this for whomever has this line? Also, do we have DNA evidence from this branch of the family? LINDA COATE, Columbus, Ohio [email protected] www.ancestrees.com

hmmm, most interesting....are you for sure it is Wm and Susannah .... as I recall they were in Sumner County TN and there is another William living with them later in life? But I would be more inclined to take the Pension file info, since that is usually first hand info....most interesting... Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Linda J. Coate" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [COATES-L] William and Susannah Dismukes Coates Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:57:39 -0500 I've been looking at William Coates of Davidson Co., TN. His Revolutionary War Pension application is up on Heritagequest.com and the dates of his death or his wife's do not match up with the Austin Coates family bible. I suspect that the Pension application would be more first hand and more accurate. Ex. Susannah goes before a judge to request that her husband's pension be extended to her now that she's a widow. This document is dated Nov. 8, 1845, nine months after the bible record lists her death date. She lists her husbands death date as Oct. 6, 1844. Any thoughts on this for whomever has this line? Also, do we have DNA evidence from this branch of the family? LINDA COATE, Columbus, Ohio [email protected] www.ancestrees.com ==== COATES Mailing List ==== Find out where your Coate/s family fits. Join the Coats/Coates/Coate DNA Project, http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/dna.htm

This was all I got back on John Hickman from the DAR HICKMAN, John Birth: SC Circa 1750 Service: SC Rank: Matr Death: SC 1802 Patriot Pensioned: No Widow Pensioned: No Children Pensioned: No Heirs Pensioned: No Spouse: (1) Elizabeth Bright