Another FYI... http://www.welshmormonhistory.org/viewresource.php?resourceid=198&camefrom=

A second source on Rev Will's kids... ----Original Message Follows---- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FW: re: coats Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:44:25 EST hi i came across a family register page which had been copied by photograph and i don't know if others in the family have this, but here goes: (i will be photocoping it and sending it on to charlotte eventually) i know that this information is already known, but a copy of the original document is very interesting. i love the old fashioned handwriting. FAMILY REGISTER Rev. William Coats Mary Coats was Born Frances Coats Born May21 1792 Sept 13th 1812 James Coats Born Mahala Coats Born January 4th 1794 May 1814 . Rachel Coats Born Hiram Coats Born September 30th 1795 February 20th 1816 William Coats Born Lemuel B. Coats Born May 11th 1797 October 6th 1817 Nancy Coats Born February 2nd 1799 John Coats Born Nevember 10th 1800 Wilson Coats Born August 10th 1802 Anna Coats Born February 2nd 1804 Leodicedi Coats Born December 25th 1805 Benjamin Coats Born 1808 Tabbitha Coats Born December 13th 1810 so that's it for today, from cousin frances

This is from Frances Edmonston...she is a descendant of Wilson Coats, son of Rev Will and Nancy...this could connect some other lines or help folks looking so I'm forwarding it on... The Claude Coats is not my dad, my dad is in the line of Willima Coats, jr, brother to Wilson Coats above... The Holland line I think is the Rev Holland that still lives in Callaway County MO... She also tell us, she has a picture of Wilson Coats and his wife... Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: coats Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:16:37 EST HI , as some of my friends say, I'm cookin' with gas! i've been on a run to catalog my mother's pictures so they will be easier to file and to scan and make sense of. along with pictures of lemuel allen coats, and john russell coats and a bunch of others , i including milam bethel coats, and such, i found a "new" line in my mother's notes, maybe not new to coats researchers, but new to me. rev. william coats, had 3 sons that my mother tracked down their relatives, john coats, hiram coats and lemuel robert coats. john coats had mary ann coats who married larrimore (first) and Basye (second) and had a child, james davis basye who married grace truman allen. they had a child francis basye, francis had a child, shirley basye who married robert T edmondson (no relation to edmonston), she was apparently in touch with shirley and robert edmondson who lived in denver, colo. and must have visited them. john coats also had thomas henley coats who ?? married annie coates, i'm not sure, her notes aren't clear. there were three children, (1.)lee coats who had a son lee coats and he had a daughter helen harrel coats. (2.) claude coats who married evelyn and had alan coats and lee coats (both boys) daisy bannerman was apparently the mother of claude coats, cecile and lee coats, i don't know who her husband was ?? thomas henley coats ?? cecile coats married moody then there was hiram coats, son of rev william coats who married permilia walker and had james lemuel coats who married polly e. Mc mahn. born to them was alta coats who married walker kerr holland. they had charlie coats holland who married jewell garrett (the plot thickens because cousins married cousins!!) then, the brother of hiram, son of rev william, lemuel robert coats married elizabeth maddox, who had a child, virginia coats who married ?omer edgar garrett and they had a daugther, you guessed it, jewell garrett who married the above charlie coats! so there you have it. do you know these folks??? let me know and i'll fill in my blanks. or lead me to a web connection. sincerely, cousin frances ps, i have found most of wilsons siblings, interesting stuff. i have a picture of willliam lafayette coats, i think he never married, some of the coats guys were really cute!!

Now you're talking thousands of years ago folks....and most of this is theory and from what I can gather changes almost daily...:) The great flood I think might be Noah's time... Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Daniel Jenkins" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ashkenazi, Native Americans, DNAPrint, Yadda, Yadda (was [DNA] in light o... Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:33:45 +0000 To follow along with Ann's statement. I have somewhat concluded by my studies of the Kurgan Culture, which I believe to be the source of R , later R1a and R1b, that they with the farmer people who were the ancient ancestors of the Jewish peoples are the common ancestors that provided the shared DNA that is now found in so many seemingly different groups. About 5600bce ,[ The Deluge] The Kurgans and the Black Sea farmers were thrust together and spent about 1000 years living near and amongst each other while both retained their individuality. This was probably very beneficial as now farming could become easier with the use of the horse and other animals that the Kurgans brought with them. With greater productivity of crops , there would have been less need for the Kurgans to be nomadic chasing vegetation to feed their stock. But by about 4400bc they were to forever split from each other and now the protoceltic peoples who evolved from that 1000 years of probable intermarriage and other were to change the face of Europe and nearby Asia. As a note my haplogroup is R* maybe R1 ,[still waiting] , my haplotype markers are shared with about 50% of Ashkenazi Levites. There is no known Jewish connections in my line since at least 1260 in England. Ellen would probably best at anaylizing this and commenting. This is only MY theory based on my research and a lot is based on the works of Marija Gimbutas. Marija was not aware of Ryan and Pittsman's discoveries regarding The Great Flood. Dan Jenkins

I finally got the DAR records of John Hickman. If Pollard's group wants a copy. I believe I have the wrong E-mail for Pollard, Justin and Jimmy I have written and not gotten a response from you or the e-mail wasn't sent back?? Char would you like a copy? I'll have to snail mail it because my new scanner won't scan legal size documents the old one would. Robbie

As a Person from the south (Louisiana, about as south as you can get without leaving the US) I haven't seen any decline in the rate of births. I was born in Louisiana 3 kids in 3 years. I have a total of 6 sisters and 1 brother. I am not a doctor or scientist ....Well, my husband is a Rocket Scientist(smile) and I have an Nuclear background. We are in the middle of the bible belt. I live in (Baton Rouge) where most are Catholic so if there is a diminished rate of birth or slowing of sperm count. I haven't seen it.... especially in my family. (Now Boys are rare in the Coates and Griggs side). I did raise dogs and I know we had litter after litter (9-11 per litter) with no problem in genetic make up. The average litter is 7-10 so I saw no slowing of this breed by the heat.My breed was quite pure and markings were all uniformed markings.I had no mutations in the pups structure or form. (No genetic carry over of hip,ear or head shape)..though my dogs had no genetic history of these problems.They are all problems in that breed of animal.The dogs I raised were Alaskan Malamutes (cold bloods) so I would think it would effect their birth rate as mammals just as it would Humans. Though....My pups were very large....We just figured it must be the Cajun Food. Now...We do have some rather strange looking folks at Mardi Gras....(grin) Happy Easter! Robbie

----Original Message Follows---- From: "Malcolm Dodd" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [DNA] Pie Chart Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:33:14 -0000 Charlotte Go to http://worldfamilies.net/ click on Y haplogroups http://worldfamilies.net/y-haplogroups.htm click on Haplogroups: World & Europe(Doug McDonald's Maps - distribution of Y & mtDNA) Notice that where the letters UZ are on the map in the central Eurasia area that there are many small segments. I count 17 different Y haplogroups. Go down further to the Haplogroups of Europe and to Ireland where there are 3 comprising R1b 80%, and I and others 20% approx. Which is the most admixed population? Further down is the mitochondrial chart which shows similar differences between the population at UZ and that of Ireland. Malcolm ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

----Original Message Follows---- From: "Decatur Blanchard" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: Cryptic Backup Copy of Genome - "Hothead Gene" Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:18:20 -0500 As a Southerner and a student of biology I suggest that the unspecified greater mutation rate attributed to people in warmer climates is just as likely to be caused by other exposures, if it exists at all. Keep in mind that these families before 1900 lived free of food additives (other than salt as a preservative), in relative isolation, without air pollution (other than wood smoke), and without chemical or barrier birth control. My father, born in 1904, had eight brothers and one sister His father had ten children. None of these lines have been DNA tested except mine. My 12-marker FTDNA results match exactly the 12-marker results of two distant cousins who trace separately to the same Benjamin Blanchard born about 1700 in North Carolina. No mutations at the 12-marker level. We do know that ambient temperature affects fertility of the male animal. It is a sperm count issue. I haven't estimated the conception dates of these 10-children families relative to ambient temperature, but, fertility did not seem to be a great problem. Before we get concerned with grester mutation rate associated with greater ambient temperatre we need to see the data that support such a conclusion. Decatur Blanchard, DVM ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

More intesting stuff....I'm leaving the email addys in these, in case you want to contact them directly....but this comment comes out of a thread that started with maybe folks in the South had higher mutation rates than in the North because of the heat...but I'm not sure outside heat as in weather would cause a mutation... But interesting stuff this...not that I understand all of it...but apparently heat will change the DNA structure... Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: Allen Blancett <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DNA] Re: Cryptic Backup Copy of Genome - "Hothead Gene" Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:34:40 -0500 Bonnie Schrack wrote: > >My father, a physicist, had the following comment (hope he will not mind my >forwarding it): > >>Yes I saw the strange case of reversion to norm in the plants. Where else >>does it occur I wonder. There is one thing about DNA that I have never >>heard discussed. That is that all chemical compounds can be calculated to >>have a certain energy level. The compound is stable if the bonds are >>relatively strong compared to the random energy associated with >>temperature. At finite temperatures there is an occasional situation where >>there will accidently be sufficiently high energy available at a bond to >>break it. The compound will then collapse to a lower energy state. This is >>why, over time, many materials will disintegrate. If kept cold they would >>not. OK - now the case of DNA. Say there is a particular energy associated >>with a bond in the DNA. The higher the temperature the greater the rate of >>temperature induced mutations. But what if the mutation is caused by >>something that has sufficient energy to make a bond with higher energy >>than the original DNA structure ( like say -- radiation) . Then the new >>arrangement might well "disintegrate" back to the original un-mutated >>structure in time. > > >Could other scientists comment? >Bonnie Having lurked long enough, I'll jump in on this one. I'm not a scientist who figures out these things, but an engineer who applies the principles, including the last 21 years of my career in R&D on nuclear materials. Bonnie's father is right on the mark, I believe. This isn't even a stretch. It's true for heat energy, and it's true for radioactive decay energy. I'm sure the real scientists will correct me, but in a simple minded sense, the biological effects of radiation arise from energy of the radioactive disintegrations. The different types and strengths of energy (e.g., alpha, beta, gamma, 100 kEV vs 1.5 MEV) affect biological systems in different ways. Some of the effects, particularly at low doses, are reversible. In fact, there is an effect that causes more bickering than why we should or shouldn't split this list. It's called hormesis, and I think of it as analogous to muscle-building. A big dose of radiation can kill you (and so can a big enough dose of water), but a small dose appears to be beneficial, as though it stimulates the body's repair mechanism--sort of the way exercising strengthens the muscles for more exercise. Mutations don't just happen--they are caused. We just don't know all of the causes and their relative contributions. I believe stereochemistry is likely to play a role. In another simple analogy to simplify stereochemistry, think of two little bar magnets like the ones beneath the black and white dogs some of us grew up with. The attraction between the dogs depends on how they are oriented relative to each other. Extending from other areas of knowledge, I suspect strongly that different arrangements and combinations of A, C, G, and T in the chain will cause stronger and weaker chemical bonds varying along the chain. Some will mutate more easily than others. I don't know, but maybe the body corrects most of them but not all. I have no difficulty with the concept that reversion to a lower energy state may reverse a mutation spontaneously. Or a high-energy transfer might split the bond irreversibly. The nice thing about it is that I can use the mutations to help sort out my ancestors. I'm eager for another group of researchers to validate this reported finding. The interesting part for me is where the unmodified code may lurk so that it can repair the mutation and restore the attributes of the earlier generation. Allen ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

http://ycc.biosci.arizona.edu/nomenclature_system/table1.html along the same lines... Char

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dgarvey/DNA/RelGen/Butler_YCC_samples.htm Here is some more info along those same lines... Char

here's the entire message for those of you who are interested...I'm going to have to email him to see where that pie chart is... ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Malcolm Dodd" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [DNA] in light of Red Lake - DNAPrint Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:53:31 -0000 Ellen and others, Let us get some simple common sense into this discussion. Can DNA testing provide evidence (not proof, but evidence) of Native American affiliation. The answer in my opinion is yes, as set out in postings by Ann and me. It is up to the USA, Canadian and Mexican governments and BIA and others whether they use this new tool and that is outside the terms of this list. They will have to take into account that the tests are not infallible. The Irish are the least admixed population because of their geographical isolation. A high proportion of Jewish people have the R1a haplogroup and their origins are in central Eurasia. Take a look at the pie chart of Y and Mito haplogroups at World Families and you will see a completely different picture to that of Ireland. Note that if we sampled Western Ireland rather than the whole of the Island we would see an even greater singularity. This is what DNAPrint have found Group European....African.... E Asian.... N American Irish 96.4%.......0.7%........1.2%........1.7% Ashkenazi + M Eastern 85.4%.......6.4%........3.8%........4.4% Ashkenazi 86.8%.......4.7%........2.0%........6.6% Do you find it surprising that the Irish show so little African, Asian and N American? Do you think that because Jewish persons test with 6.6% N American they have a right to claim descendancy from American tribes? Their ancestors almost certainly lived with the ancestors of the Native Americans some 12,000 years ago in central Asia (in a shtetl I expect). Our origins go back over 150,000 years to Africa and the 12,000 year separation between those Amerindians and Jewish populations from Asia is much smaller than the likely 40,000 years between Western Europeans in Ireland and Asians. I do not have all the answers and we have much to learn about the migration of populations. Why DNAPrint find 4.7% African affiliation in Jewish populations I can not explain. However I note that an amalgamation with other Middle Eastern populations greatly increases the African affiliation, and that seems to make sense, given geographic proximity. Malcolm ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

The Irish are the least admixed population because of their geographical isolation. A high proportion of Jewish people have the R1a haplogroup and their origins are in central Eurasia. Take a look at the pie chart of Y and Mito haplogroups at World Families and you will see a completely different picture to that of Ireland. Note that if we sampled Western Ireland rather than the whole of the Island we would see an even greater singularity.

I just noticed that when I look someone up in ancestry.com, the bottom of the list of my matches gives interesting facts about the surname I was searching for. From it I learned the following. In the 1880 census the major occupation of persons named Coates was "Farmer". In the 1881 UK census, the most Coate families lived in Sommerset with 89 families living there. That's the county my Coates came from! Linda LINDA COATE, Columbus, Ohio [email protected] www.ancestrees.com

FYI... ----Original Message Follows---- From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: SNP discovery [was Re: [DNA] Cohen Modal Haplotype and J2] Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:03:54 +0000 Thanks to the very astute observation of an as yet to be named Lister, we have decided to use some of the monies from our product sales to establish a R&D programe to, in this case, explore one definite new R1b SNP, and others that may have promise (but may turn out to be private SNPs). As I have said before this List has an incredible range of talent within the ranks. A well known researcher (not sure I can mention their name) is writing a book including a principle components analysis, mining in a couple of databases, but what comes out the hopper will probably pale in comparison to what our listers have done in relation to haplogroups I and R1b. David F. -------------- Original message -------------- > In a message dated 03/16/05 10:49:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Furthermore, little to nothing has been reported on J1 > > sub-clades. > > It may be harder than we expected to discover new SNPs, the basis for > defining subclades. Last fall I reported on the Samaritan study, which netted > only > one new SNP per 154,000 bases screened. > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2004-09/1094185143 > > I remained somewhat hopeful that SNPs would be easier to discover in broader > population samples. But... the recent Perlegen study lists one SNP per 67,000 > bases, with populations about as divergent as you can get: European Americans, > African Americans, and Han Chinese. That's better, but still discouraging. > Many of these were singletons (occurring in only one sample), so we can't really > tell if they were "private" SNPs or ones that would be worth screening for. > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2005-02/1109191392 > > We may have to wait for the day of the "$1000 genome," when it becomes > practical to actually sequence large sections of the Y chromosome. > > Ann Turner - GENEALOGY-DNA List Administrator > Search or Browse the archives, Subscribe or Unsubscribe at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/DNA/GENEALOGY-DNA.html > > > > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at > the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&target > id=5429 > ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Notice his father was born in SC....:) Char ****************** Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Robert COATS Self M Male W 60 TN Farmer SC SC Julia COATS Wife M Female W 39 MO Keeping House TN TN Chat COATS Son S Male W 20 TX Farming TN TN Jeff COATS Son S Male W 18 TX Farming TN TN Bob COATS Son S Male W 15 TX At School TN MO Henry COATS Son S Male W 11 TX At School TN MO Elizabeth COATS Dau S Female W 11 TX At School TN MO Mc Kinzie COATS Son S Male W 8 TX TN MO S. M. COATS Dau S Female W 6 TX TN MO Josephine COATS Dau S Female W 11M TX TN MO Sam B. WASKOM SSon S Male W 19 TX Farming MS MO

Hi Virginia...I am also ccing this to the Coats lists....I am not familiar with this particular group....the name Robert of course that early brings to mind the Robert Coats of Lynn Mass lines....have you tried looking on the 1880 census at familysearch.com that might be of some help...also if you could get some probate records from TX it might show some connections to other areas...indeed a long shot, but he might mention a brother somewhere else...of devise articles that belonged to his parents etc...also by tracing his kids via the later census you might find where they believe he was born...let's see I don't recall if the 1850 census gives birth place...but I'm pretty sure the 1880s do.... Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: coats family ? Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:32:22 EST hello i am doing research on my husbands line and i am looking for robert c. coats b)1826 d) 27 apr 1884 and his wife anna (?) b) 26 july 1826 d) 14 dec 1826 (on tomb stone) they had 6 children james, cynthia, william f, charles and jefferson davis coats b) 12 dec 1826 d) 10 nov 1917. robert married a second time to a jullie ann (?). i can not find where he came from before arriving in tx. in the early 1950s thanks for taking the time to read this any help would be appr. virginia ely

Can someone help Sarah learn which branch of the Coates she is descended from? Linda Coate >X-POP3-Rcpt: [email protected] >From: [email protected] >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:36:55 EST >Subject: Coates Ancestry link >To: [email protected] >X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 > >Linda, > >My name is Sarah Coates, I was born in New Castle, In. I am trying to find >my Coates family tree and only know up to my Grandfather, Robert Nelson >Coates II. I was wondering if you may have any knowledge of any of the >Coates' heritage listed on your site? I would greatly appreciate anything >you may have. Thanks! > >Sarah LINDA COATE, Columbus, Ohio [email protected] www.ancestrees.com

I'm trying to tie my James with other Coates/ Coats in Alabama, Tennessee, and Georgia. John Coats born between 1760/1770 Listed in Jackson County, Alabama My James Coats Born 1797 Tn. listed in Jackson County, Alabama 1830, 1840, and 1850 Son of James, Thomas B. Coats, born 1838/39 Al./Tn. was in Jackson County, Al. in 1850,1860, and in Hamilton County, Tn. in 1880, and in Dade County, Georgia in 1900 Alexander Coats born 1803 in Ky. Was in Jackson County, Al, 1840 James and Alexander have matching DNA Robert Coats, born 1803 ,Ky. was in Jackson County, Al. in 1840, and 1860 Thompson Coats, born 1812, Ky. was in Jackson County, Al. in 1840. Thompson was in Hamilton County,Tn. in 1850, and in Dade County, Georgia in 1870 Son of Thompson Coats, Lemuel Coats, was married in Dade County, Georgia in 1878, Lemuel was in Dade County, in 1870, 1880, 1900 and 1910 Benjamin Coats, born 1801 in NC, was in Hamilton County, Tn, in 1850 William Coats born 1810, in NC, was in Hamilton County, Tn. in 1850 Is there anyone out there researching any of these Coats Men? Thanks Betty in Ringgold

Hi List, I just talked to Joe on the telephone. He tells me his ISP mailbox was so loaded with spam it shut down and to fix the problem, all of the mail had to be deleted. He is now ready for email. He asks that everyone who may have sent email to resend. Gup