We have two new DNA kits due back...one is due back 7/16/05 and the other was just received in Houston... One is from the Coats family out of western PA I believe it is, the other with roots in SC...so will tell you more as I gather it.... Ladies, I also got a National Geographic kit and sent it in...for the mtDNA it doesn't necessarily give your lineage like the Y test but you can trace your female line back to the beginning of time, I guess...this via the haplogroups...anyway, I would encourage you to give it a try...you can also order the mtDNA kits via FTDNA and then upload to National Geographic or visa versa I think...at any rate, this will trace my female lines...and who knows what they will come up with in the future.... For the gentleman on the list...if you have a Coats surname or variation and have not submitted a DNA kit, please do consider it...I think we still have about $50.00 in the fund...so we can help some or call for donations....I for one have found this extremely helpful.... I must say, DNA is becoming very very helpful in connecting families, so don't let later generations miss out on this important genealogy tool...and remember it also helps us in tracing that paper trail as well.... Charlotte

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I do have the 1664 marriage jotted down and several others I have collected. But there is so much circumstantial documentation that Joan Coats/Clemson was originally a Sisom that if the 1664 marriage is hers - then Coats may have been her second marriage (as the name is listed as Joane Robinson) which would make her even older than previously calculated. I would not be surprised to learn that Joan Coats/Clemson's previous husband had been named John Coats and that they are documented with a son named William born 1679 (and Thomas b. 1682, John b. 1684, etc) - but I truly think that it will be from a marriage later than 1664. As you say the early records are scarce and we will have to wait and see what appears in the future to help clear up this connection. Thanks for the additional Clemson family details, Susan Charlotte Coats wrote: > Yes, I agree, I always like at least 3 different references...but when > you get back into these really early dates...boy the records get > really scarce....so this would be one of the *keep in mind* maybes.....:) > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Susan McIntyre <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: FW: Re: [COATES-L] RE: [Coates_Coate_Coats] My Coates > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:22:34 -0400 > > I have noticed the 1664 marriage of John Coats & Joane Robinson listed > in (I think) the Ancestry.com database and in an online tree. But I > think it may be the marriage of a different couple than are being > discussed here. If the James Clemson information is correct then he > was born in 1654. If the Joan Coats that Clemson married is the widow > of the John Coats listed in the 1664 marriage then she would likely > have been born between 1644-1649 (assuming she was 15-20 yrs. old when > married). James Clemson would have been 10 years old at the time Joan > married John Coats. That would mean she was in her 70s when she > married James Clemson between 1716-1718 (in 1716 he listed wife named > Sarah - in his 1718 will he is aged 64 and his wife is named as Joan) > - not impossible but highly unlikely. > > According the the Clemson information you shared with the list earlier > today James Clemson's first marriage was in 1682 to Katherine / by > 1716 to Sarah / by 1718 to Joan. The shared data lists his children > born between 1685 to around 1705. > > I would be very cautious in accepting the 1664 marriage as that of the > Clemson connection without additional documentation. > > >

I have noticed the 1664 marriage of John Coats & Joane Robinson listed in (I think) the Ancestry.com database and in an online tree. But I think it may be the marriage of a different couple than are being discussed here. If the James Clemson information is correct then he was born in 1654. If the Joan Coats that Clemson married is the widow of the John Coats listed in the 1664 marriage then she would likely have been born between 1644-1649 (assuming she was 15-20 yrs. old when married). James Clemson would have been 10 years old at the time Joan married John Coats. That would mean she was in her 70s when she married James Clemson between 1716-1718 (in 1716 he listed wife named Sarah - in his 1718 will he is aged 64 and his wife is named as Joan) - not impossible but highly unlikely. According the the Clemson information you shared with the list earlier today James Clemson's first marriage was in 1682 to Katherine / by 1716 to Sarah / by 1718 to Joan. The shared data lists his children born between 1685 to around 1705. I would be very cautious in accepting the 1664 marriage as that of the Clemson connection without additional documentation. Charlotte Coats wrote: > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "brenden1mom2001" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: FW: Re: [COATES-L] RE: [Coates_Coate_Coats] My Coates > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:02:33 -0000 > > Ok in diging some more I Found the following: > 1. John Coats; m. Joane Robinson 3mo 8 1664 at York Monthly Meeting, > England; 1st husband. > He resided at York, Yorkshire, England. > Joane Robinson married J. Clemson; 2nd husband. She died in 1729 > at Philadelphia, PA. > Known children of John Coats and Joane Robinson were: > 2. i. William Coats, b. 12mo 21 1679 at Yorkshire, > England; m. Mary Smith. > Thanks again I think this seems like it may be a better possibility > than I thought. > > Thanks > Ann

----Original Message Follows---- From: "brenden1mom2001" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: FW: Re: [COATES-L] RE: [Coates_Coate_Coats] My Coates Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:02:33 -0000 Ok in diging some more I Found the following: 1. John Coats; m. Joane Robinson 3mo 8 1664 at York Monthly Meeting, England; 1st husband. He resided at York, Yorkshire, England. Joane Robinson married J. Clemson; 2nd husband. She died in 1729 at Philadelphia, PA. Known children of John Coats and Joane Robinson were: 2. i. William Coats, b. 12mo 21 1679 at Yorkshire, England; m. Mary Smith. Thanks again I think this seems like it may be a better possibility than I thought. Thanks Ann --- In [email protected], "Charlotte Coats" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Susan McIntyre <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [COATES-L] RE: [Coates_Coate_Coats] My Coates > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:12:35 -0400 > > Oops - after I re-read the email I realized that giving up "rights" could > also mean that she was giving up her children but if I remember correctly > the information was that she gave up her rights to an inheritance. > Sorry for any confusion. > Susan > > Susan McIntyre wrote: > > >In Joan Coates/Clemson's will there is only one Mary - she is the wife of > >John Harris and daughter of Joan/Jean/Jane (Joan was likely a Sissom by > >birth). The executor was her son John Coates. The witnesses appear to be > >Samuel Hale, William Prise & John Durborow/Durborough. > >Her last husband was likely James Clemson who died in 1718 as he names wife > >Joan Clemson and has witnesses - James Lloyd & Mary Harris. Children listed > >are - his sons John Clemson, James Clemson, Thomas Clemson and daughter > >Sophia. He names as executors - Henry Pearoe? & son-in-law Loeury? Guest. > >No documentation but my guess is that Joan Coates & James Clemson may not > >have had children together but came into the union with children from > >previous marriages. I have no idea where they met or married but according > >to their wills they died in Philadelphia, PA. > > > >Seems to me I ran across some online PA documentation that a Clemson widow > >gave up her "rights" to Clemson children but I have no idea if this is the > >same family. > >Hope this helps, > >Susan > > > > > >Charlotte Coats wrote: > > > >>Could this be a variation spelling of Cleminson in the US? > >> > >>http://www.coatsarchive.us/pacoatsanaly.htm > >> > >> > >>CLEMSON, JOAN. City of Philadelphia. Widow. September 10, 1727/8. April > >>23, 1729. E.105. Children: Mary wife of John Harris, William Coates, > >>Thomas Coates, John Coates and George Coates, Mary. Son-in-Law: John > >>Harris. Exec: John Coates. Wit: Samuel Hare, William Prise, John > >>Durborow. I think Mary was probably a Coates as well, she may be named > >>last in the group because she was the youngest but married, not sure of > >>that and could probably be the same Mary who married John Harris.. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ==== COATES Mailing List ==== > Find out where your Coate/s family fits. Join the Coats/Coates/Coate DNA > Project, http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/coatsarchive/dna.htm

----Original Message Follows---- From: "brenden1mom2001" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: FW: Re: [COATES-L] RE: [Coates_Coate_Coats] My Coates Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:51:29 -0000 Don't think they are the same a Cleminsons, but will look further, thank you for your help. I found the following ,Just posting incase someone else can use it: James Clemson 1654-1718 compiled and written by Paulette Haynes August, 1985 Records for James Clemson in America are limited although his origin in England was apparently at Tettanhall, Staffordshire Parish, England. His christening was recorded there on 10 Aug 1654 and he was the son of Alexander and Elizabeth (Green) Clemson who married 27 September 1652. James Clemson's first marriage to Katherine Wright, of Dudley, was recorded 22 Nov 1682 and the christening at Tettenhall for several of their children followed. James and Katherine Clemson also appear in the register of Dudley parish in 1697/98. Hannah "Clempson" daughter of "James Clempson" was christened 3 Aug 1692. The parish church of Tettenhall is St. Michael & All Angels and the registers begin in the year 1602 (see note). The first record in America for James Clemson is a 13 Oct 1699 deed to him, a blacksmith, for 4 acres and 2 lots near the town of Chichester, on the Delaware River, now called Marcus Hook. By 1702, he moved several miles inland to a one hundred thirty-five acres farmstead property at Booth's Corners, and in 1710 purchased a three hundred acres tract on the Bethel-Concord township line in Chester County, Pennsylvania from the heirs of William Cloud. On 18 May 1716 he acquired a patent of 600/636 acres in Salisbury Twp, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Five hundred acres of this was a grant to him and the other one hundred was sold to him by William Lewis. An additional 36 acres was a road allowance. On 1 Jun 1716 James Clemson made a trust deed to his daughter Mary Guest (wife of Henry Guest), of the 300 acres farm in Concord Twp. with the conditional grantee Sophia Clemson, a daughter, of five pounds, if Sarah "now the wife of James", to be cared for by Mary and her husband Henry through illness as long as she lived, did not live 5 years. It is evident by this trust deed that in 1716 James Clemson was married to a woman named Sarah. James Clemson wrote his will 12 July 1718 in Philadelphia and at this time he was married to the widow Joan Coates. The will was probated in Philadelphia, August 1718. It is often stated that James Clemson was buried in the Quaker Cemetery in Philadelphia but that apparently cannot be verified. James Clemson bequeathed to his three sons (John, James & Thomas) 536 of the 636 acres in Lancaster County on which he had obtained a patent in 1716. He bequeathed to his daughter Sophia 39 pounds in bonds after the death of his wife Joan who had the life interest on the bonds. His eldest daughter, Mary, was not mentioned in his will because he had given his 300 acre Concord Twp. property to her and her husband Henry by a trust deed dated 1 June 1716. Hannah and her sister Rebecca were not mentioned in the will having been given 50 acres each of the patent land, in Salisbury Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. This gift was made between June 1716, when he acquired the patent and July 1718, when he wrote his will. The heirs of James Clemson agreed to the division of the 636 acres, in quit claim deeds dated 26 Mar 1731 (the second day of 1731). At this time, Hannah Clemson was married to Joseph Haynes, a yeoman "of the province of West Jersey". On 6 October 1731, Hannah Haynes declared she signed the deed of her own free will, and her fifty acres of property was sold by Joseph and Hannah Haynes "of West New Jersey" to her brother, John Clemson in 1733. On the 15th of May 1742 Joseph Haynes acknowledged having received the sum of ten pounds for the land and being "fully satisfied". Children of James Clemson (who lived to adulthood ; several were of the Quaker faith): 1. Mary Clemson christened 8 Mar 1685 Tettenhall, Staffordshire Parish, England married Henry Guest 2. Hannah Clemson christened 3 Aug 1692 Tettenhall, Straffordshire Parish, England married Joseph Haynes. The Clemson family history contains no further record of Hannah and Joseph Haynes. Burial places and death dates for them have not yet been found, and their children, if any are not known. 3. John Clemson born ca 1701 Pennsylvania married (1) Mary Elliott and (2) Elizabeth Way 4. James Clemson (2nd son) born Pennsylvania married Mary Halliday. 5. Rebecca Clemson married Dennis Onan 6. Sophia Clemson born 1705 Pennsylvania married William Sawyer of Derry Twp. Lancaster Co. PA 7. Thomas Clemson (3rd son) born before 1710 Pennsylvania married Elizabeth Strode * The parish register of the parish church of St Michael & All Angels commences in 1602. The original registers for the period 1602-1968 (Bapts), 1602-1948 (Mar) & 1602-1946 (Bur), and Banns for the period 1754-1799 are deposited at Staffordshire Record Office. Bishops Transcripts, 1687-1859 (with gaps 1692-96, 1699-1715, 1717- 1800, & 1837) are deposited at Lichfield Record Office. A transcript of the St Michael & All Angels registers for the periods (part 1) 1602-1744, and (part 2) 1745-1839 (Mar) was published in 1930 and 1967 by the Staffordshire Parish Register Society and has been reprinted by the Birmingham & Midland SGH.

Oops - after I re-read the email I realized that giving up "rights" could also mean that she was giving up her children but if I remember correctly the information was that she gave up her rights to an inheritance. Sorry for any confusion. Susan Susan McIntyre wrote: > In Joan Coates/Clemson's will there is only one Mary - she is the wife > of John Harris and daughter of Joan/Jean/Jane (Joan was likely a > Sissom by birth). The executor was her son John Coates. The > witnesses appear to be Samuel Hale, William Prise & John > Durborow/Durborough. > Her last husband was likely James Clemson who died in 1718 as he names > wife Joan Clemson and has witnesses - James Lloyd & Mary Harris. > Children listed are - his sons John Clemson, James Clemson, Thomas > Clemson and daughter Sophia. He names as executors - Henry Pearoe? & > son-in-law Loeury? Guest. > No documentation but my guess is that Joan Coates & James Clemson may > not have had children together but came into the union with children > from previous marriages. I have no idea where they met or married but > according to their wills they died in Philadelphia, PA. > > Seems to me I ran across some online PA documentation that a Clemson > widow gave up her "rights" to Clemson children but I have no idea if > this is the same family. > Hope this helps, > Susan > > > Charlotte Coats wrote: > >> Could this be a variation spelling of Cleminson in the US? >> >> http://www.coatsarchive.us/pacoatsanaly.htm >> >> >> CLEMSON, JOAN. City of Philadelphia. Widow. September 10, 1727/8. >> April 23, 1729. E.105. Children: Mary wife of John Harris, William >> Coates, Thomas Coates, John Coates and George Coates, Mary. >> Son-in-Law: John Harris. Exec: John Coates. Wit: Samuel Hare, >> William Prise, John Durborow. I think Mary was probably a Coates as >> well, she may be named last in the group because she was the youngest >> but married, not sure of that and could probably be the same Mary who >> married John Harris.. >> >> >> >

In Joan Coates/Clemson's will there is only one Mary - she is the wife of John Harris and daughter of Joan/Jean/Jane (Joan was likely a Sissom by birth). The executor was her son John Coates. The witnesses appear to be Samuel Hale, William Prise & John Durborow/Durborough. Her last husband was likely James Clemson who died in 1718 as he names wife Joan Clemson and has witnesses - James Lloyd & Mary Harris. Children listed are - his sons John Clemson, James Clemson, Thomas Clemson and daughter Sophia. He names as executors - Henry Pearoe? & son-in-law Loeury? Guest. No documentation but my guess is that Joan Coates & James Clemson may not have had children together but came into the union with children from previous marriages. I have no idea where they met or married but according to their wills they died in Philadelphia, PA. Seems to me I ran across some online PA documentation that a Clemson widow gave up her "rights" to Clemson children but I have no idea if this is the same family. Hope this helps, Susan Charlotte Coats wrote: > Could this be a variation spelling of Cleminson in the US? > > http://www.coatsarchive.us/pacoatsanaly.htm > > > CLEMSON, JOAN. City of Philadelphia. Widow. September 10, 1727/8. > April 23, 1729. E.105. Children: Mary wife of John Harris, William > Coates, Thomas Coates, John Coates and George Coates, Mary. > Son-in-Law: John Harris. Exec: John Coates. Wit: Samuel Hare, > William Prise, John Durborow. I think Mary was probably a Coates as > well, she may be named last in the group because she was the youngest > but married, not sure of that and could probably be the same Mary who > married John Harris.. > > >

----Original Message Follows---- From: "brenden1mom2001" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [Coates_Coate_Coats] Re: My Coates Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:25:28 -0000 Thank You, Here is the web address I was speaking of , Christine has a really great sight ! http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/4320/ A page from her sight : Home Pages with Dales' links Don Mari - Spensley links from Whitaside, Swaledale Dave Stringer-Calvert - Wensleydale families The Limes - With information on several Dales families The Carter family - with links to other Dales' families including Spensley The Spenceley family- Harome, Pickering, Beadlam, Helmsley areas Alderson Cousins No Spensleys here, but some other Dales' families. Charlton's homepage Many Wensleydale families Norton Heritage with several Wensleydale families Staveley family Aysgarth Croft Family Pages Including Croft families from Carperby/Aysgarth area Neil Thompson's Homepage Includes Birkbecks from Swaledale Gunnerside - with links to families of that area of Swaledale - and with Amsden links Amsden genealogy U.K The Amsden Family in the U.S.A Census can be found on her sight as well for most available years in the CENSUSES OF WENSLEYDALE AND SWALEDALE Ann

----Original Message Follows---- From: "brenden1mom2001" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [Coates_Coate_Coats] Re: My Coates Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:51:59 -0000 I supose it could be possible that Joan could just have a misspelled and be Cleminson it hapens , I know that James Cleminsopns birth record son of Robert and Jane Coates Cleminson, was misspelled. Also Elizabeth Cleminson married Henry Hunt and they moved to PA, Elisabeth died June 23, 1895 Vinco,Cambria,PA. Notes for Elizabeth Cleminson: NEWSPAPER ARTICLE: Mountaineer Sentinel, Ebensburg, Pa, Thursday January 17, 1850, pg. 3: Notice is hereby given to all persons interested, that Letters of Administration have been granted to the undersigned, by the Register of Cambria County, on the estate of Henry Hunt, late of Conemaugh Township, Cambria County, deceased. Those indebted to said are required to make immediate payments, and those having claims, to present them properly authenticated for settlement. Signed: Elizabeth Hunt, Adm. __________________ CHURCH ARTICLE: Hunt, Elizabeth, nee Clemenson, was born in Yorkshire, England, April 6, 1809, and died June 23, 1895, in Cambria County, Pa. She came with her husband, Henry Hunt, and family to America in July 1830. They were members of the Wesleyan Church in England, and first settled with the Methodist Episcopal Church in Johnstown. In due time preaching was established in Brother Hunt's house, then a church was built, and the second one now stands on the same site. Sister Hunt was converted at twelve years, and was married in her seventeenth year, her husband being already a member of the church. Hers was a beautiful, devoted and noble Christian life. She maintained the strict observance of the Sabbath, and it was a great grief to her to witness violations of the sacred day, especially on the part of professors of religion. Her suffering during her last days were borne with cheerfulness, and she "was joyful in the house of her pilgrimage." She would say, "The lord is good to me and you are all good to me." She rejoiced in a full salvation, and adorned the blessed doctrine of holiness. She "was full of faith and the Holy Ghost." A large family connection remains and among her influence remains as "ointment poured ____." by Rev. J. L. Stiffy. __________________ OBITUARY: The Tribune, Johnstown, Cambria Co., Pa: June 24, 1895: Mrs. Elizabeth Hunt died at the home of her son-in-law, Mr. Henry Varner, one mile west of Fairview, yesterday forenoon at 6 o'clock, age eighty-six years and two months. Mrs. Hunt was one of the oldest and best known residents of Cambria County. She was born in Yorkshire, England and emigrated to this country with her husband, the late Henry Hunt, in 1809. The family located to Pottsville and after a residence of about a year at the place they removed to East Taylor Township, in which the deceased has lived ever since. After their removal to this county the husband found employment as a foreman on the construction of the Old Portage Tunnel, where he worked up to the time of its completion. He died in 1849. The deceased was the mother of eleven children, five of whom survive: Timothy L., of Roxbury; William, of Jackson Township; James, of Nebraska, John, of Altoona; and Susanna, wife of Henry Varner, of Jackson Township. There are living about forty-five grandchildren and over fifty great-grandchildren. The deceased had been a devout member of the Methodist Church from girlhood and was well known for her charity and many deeds of kindness. The funeral will take place from her late home at 10 o'clock tomorrow forenoon, interment to be made in Wesley Chapel churchyard with services by Rev. J. L. Stiffy, of Conemaugh. __________________ OBITUARY: The Tribune, Johnstown, Cambria Co., Pa: Monday, June 24, 1895: Hunt, In Jackson Township on Sunday evening, June 23, 1894 at 6 o'clock, Mrs. Elizabeth Hunt, aged 86 years and 2 months. Funeral at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning; interment in the churchyard at Wesley Chapel. "Near Johnstone, Feb 3rd 1849 Dear Friend, I was at Johnstown yesterday & got your letter & was glad to hear from you & that your family were all well; likewise that you were still striving in the good old way for if we all be Faithful we shall soon all meet where there will be no afflictions & partings. We are glad that you intend to come to America in the spring for we think you will do better in this country with your family than you are doing there. If you can raise the means to get to Philadelphia we can assist you from there to our home. We would recommend some of your friends to make a collection in the society to assist you to get over. You can said from Liverpool to Philadelphia or New Yourk (sic), the cost is about the same each way, only by New York is 3 or 4 days sooner. But if any of your friends can give you recommendations to any of their friends at Liverpool it will be of great benefit to you. W. Spensley of Reeth recommended us to one Anthony Barnes who treated us like a father but we do not know whether he is living or not. The fare across the ocean is from £3 to £4.10 each person, children half price. We have not heard of Metcalf Bell this 8 or 10 years, as for Galana we do not know much about it, only it is a great lead mining place. We do not know the exact distance, but we suppose it is between 2 and three thousand miles from here. You can go from here to Pittsburg & then down the Ohio River up which you can to to Galana, but whether it is the best way or not we do not know. We would like to see you come this way. You could get work here, they are making a new Railroad from Harrisburg to Holidasburg. This distance is 100 miles. From Holdasburg to Johnstown is 36 miles by Railroad. We live 6 miles from Johnstown. We are well known to many as we go every week to market. When you get there inquire for Jonathan Bowing. He is a pious local preacher & he will give you directions. It is generally the best time to come early in the spring, for they open the canals in March. You must write from Liverpool & let us know when you sail & what ship & where you land & whether we must send you money to Philadelphia or engage your Passages.....We farm our own we have 134 acres altogether. Between 30 & 40 acres are cleared. We have 2 horses, 6 cows, 9 head of young cattle, 50 sheep & 4 hogs. Your affectionate & loving friends Henry & Elizabeth Hunt Direct as below Mr. Henry Hunt, near Johnstown, Gar[side] County, Pensilvania, Nth America. To James Pratt PS. "Please give our love to our Brother Joseph Hunt and tel him if he intend to come to america he ought to come the sooner the Bether for Land is sil getin dearer so it will take more money to buy a farm please give our love to Johnathan Daykin and family and all our friends you met with before you come We often thought of you And taked about you and wondered how you were coming on but when we heard from you we felt deply For you but I hope the good Lord will open out your way to this good country........." (James Pratt did not make the trip) There are several Cleinson famyies in The Yorkshire Dales, as well as Coates. I have a friend ( I met in my searches) with an excelant web sight she has several familys list in census, I will see If I can find the link and post it here. Thanks Ann --- In [email protected], "Charlotte Coats" <[email protected]> wrote: > Could this be a variation spelling of Cleminson in the US? > > http://www.coatsarchive.us/pacoatsanaly.htm > > > CLEMSON, JOAN. City of Philadelphia. Widow. September 10, 1727/8. April > 23, 1729. E.105. Children: Mary wife of John Harris, William Coates, Thomas > Coates, John Coates and George Coates, Mary. Son-in-Law: John Harris. > Exec: John Coates. Wit: Samuel Hare, William Prise, John Durborow. I think > Mary was probably a Coates as well, she may be named last in the group > because she was the youngest but married, not sure of that and could > probably be the same Mary who married John Harris.. > >

Could this be a variation spelling of Cleminson in the US? http://www.coatsarchive.us/pacoatsanaly.htm CLEMSON, JOAN. City of Philadelphia. Widow. September 10, 1727/8. April 23, 1729. E.105. Children: Mary wife of John Harris, William Coates, Thomas Coates, John Coates and George Coates, Mary. Son-in-Law: John Harris. Exec: John Coates. Wit: Samuel Hare, William Prise, John Durborow. I think Mary was probably a Coates as well, she may be named last in the group because she was the youngest but married, not sure of that and could probably be the same Mary who married John Harris.. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "brenden1mom2001" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [Coates_Coate_Coats] My Coates Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:01:33 -0000 I only have 2 coates in my tree both of whom I know nothing about so I thought I would post here what I know. Jane Coates b.? England d. May 1822 Gunnerside England buried Chapel Burial Ground Gunnerside Married Robert Cleminson b.June 14, 1778 Feetham, England On April 13, 1802 Grinton Parish, England. They had the following Children: Elizabeth Cleminson b. April 7, 1809 William Cleminson b. February 18, 1803 Robert Cleminson John Cleminson b. November 6, 1806 George Cleminson b. 1812 James Cleminson b. May 18, 1813 Jane Cleminson b. 1815 Isaiah Cleminson b. September 15, 1817 After Janes death Robert marries Esther Coates on December 22, 1823 in Grinton. They have one child Joseph Robert Cleminson b. October 14, 1824 who is a Methodist minister and later his son is also a Methodist minister. Joseph marries Jane Ann Hetherington b. ca 1835. They have 2 children: John Heatherington Cleminson b. about 1856 Keswick, Cumberland Ester J. Cleminson b. about 1861 Perth Scotland I do not know how or if Jane and Esther are related or who thier parents are. If any one knows more about Jane and Ester Coates I would love to share what I know about the Cleminsons Thanks, Ann

----Original Message Follows---- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>,<[email protected]> Subject: New features and 2nd Conference announcement Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:27:23 -0500 To Coats group manager, We have a few features that I would like to report to you: a) We want to have all our Group Administrators 100% satisfied. To accomplish that, we have adjusted our code regarding the transfer of individuals from the Genographic Project to Family Tree DNA: if a Group has a join restriction, this restriction will remain in place, and the Group Administrator (GA) will receive a notification. ATTENTION: the GA is not supposed to send the current join link which would lead to a new order. For more information about allowing a join request from the Genographic Project, please refer to your GAP Quick Reference. b) We are pleased to announce the 2nd International Conference on Genetic Genealogy for Family Tree DNA Group Administrators. This year it will be a 2-day event at the National Geographic headquarters in Washington DC. Among the highlights of the Conference are Dr. Michael Hammer and Dr. Spencer Wells. Space will be limited and a link to the press-release and registration can be found at our home page. c) We have added to the personal pages of all our customers a link that allows to upload data to the Genographic Project. More information about it can be found under the tab "Genographic Project" at your personal page. We would like to encourage you and your members to join this fascinating project. There are more features on the works, but for now I will leave you with the above. As always, thank you for your support! E-mail me any time! Max Blankfeld Vice-President, Operations and Marketing http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com "History Unearthed Daily" [email protected] 713-868-1438

I would be interested to make contact with any one who has connections with the Coates family name in Belfast. My ggrandfather George Coates, came to Melbourne, Australia in 1853. Born in Waring Street, c1832 his parents were George and Ann (McFarlane). George had a brother William who died in Chesire 1886, married to a Rachel Coates, her father was William Coates also of Belfast. I think George sr and William may have been brothers, Rachel was still alive in 1912. Pauline McIntyre. Melbourne.

Anyone familiar with this line out of VA? Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Charlotte Coates" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: COATS Family Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 22:56:03 -0400 Charlotte, I married into the Thomas E Coates, family living in MD. My husband was Edward T Coates. I am Charlotte Sutphin (now Coates) of NJ. I would like to present the younger generation the genealogy of their ancestors. Through family members and census I have: Thomas Edward Coates, b 1892 Foneswood, Richmond Co., VA, d 1950 in Rison, Charles Co,. MD, m. Louise Dora Murphy 1914. There were six issues. Ruth Ida, Clarence Melvin, Mary Elizabeth, James Robert, Edward Thomas (my husband) and Benjamin Alfred (living). Smith Melvin Coates, b 1860 Stonewall, Richmond Co., VA, d ? m Ida Virginia Henson, b 1863, perhaps Stonewall as well as her parents were born in Stonewall. There were seven issues. Eva A., Thomas Edward (my father-in-law), Melvin Carter, John, Benjamin, Myrtle and Nellie. Carter S Coats, b 1831, VA, d ?, m Maria ? There were seven issues: Smith Melvin, Nicholas D., Fannie E., Vannie, Hallaway, Clarence and Minnie. If these Coats/Coates merge into any part of your gleanings I will be greatful for any info you might share. Sincerely, Charlotte V. Coates Charlotte, NC

This Genographic Project is by National Geographic url: https://www5.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/participate.html I think there will eventually be a link on your pages to join this as well if you like...that's for those that currently have DNA results at FTDNA.... Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>,<[email protected]> Subject: New members from the Genographic Project Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:37:55 -0500 To Coats group manager, Family Tree DNA started delivering results to the Genographic Project during the last week of May. Along with all the information received, they have, in their personal pages at the Genographic website, the opportunity to upload their results to Family Tree DNA, and in the process they can choose to join a Surname or Geographical Project. When they opt to join Family Tree DNA, the system looks at their surname and performs a surname search. As a result, they receive the different options of projects existing for their surname, and the person gets to see each description in order to select one of them. Once they select it, they can join the Group. We have called a few Group Administrators that have their project set as "Do not allow joining without request" and asked them what they would prefer in this case. They were all unanimous in saying that they would like those new members to be allowed to join without having to request, but they would like to be notified when a new person has joined the project. We have coded the system accordingly and all Group Administrators should be notified as someone joins their project coming from Genographic. All new members coming from Genographic will have a number preceded by the letter N. Of course, like in any case now, a person is given the opportunity of changing projects by contacting us. After the first weekend since the initial results were presented, we already have a few hundred individuals joining Family Tree DNA and several Projects. This is exciting news for us and for Group Administrators that always wanted a way to see their projects increase in numbers. We would encourage you to welcome the new members and help them understand the genealogical aspects of their test, including whether to upgrade their test or not. As always, we appreciate your input and support. E-mail me any time! Max Blankfeld Vice-President, Operations and Marketing http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com "History Unearthed Daily" [email protected] 713-868-1438

Hi, Good to hear from you Linda. Its been a long time. I have heard the name 'Bush River' many times, but I can't seem to recall a state name added in conversation. When we are talking about a very familiar subject, we forget there are others who are not so familiar. Anyway, just in case there may be person's wondering where you are talking about and who may have joined this list or are having it forwarded, there are Bush River's in *South Carolina and Ontario, Canada, not to mention there is a Bush River Yacht club and a Bush River Jersey cow developed in North Adams, Massachusetts. <G> I'm not sure if this is on your page Char, "South Carolina Quaker Meeting Membership List, 1772-1820" Its at http://www.onealwebsite.com/oneall/quaker.htm If it wouldn't be too much trouble, I would also like to see the picture and PDF file. Gup >This is a letter that Steve wanted us to forward to the group in case any >of the Coates can attend! Linda > >>Hello Linda and Charlotte, >> >>I wanted the two of you to be aware that there has been a pretty >>extensive restoration of the Bush River Quaker Cemetery, going on for a >>while now. There are plans currently in place to spend Saturday the 18th >>of June, 2005 to map and survey the Cemetery. The brush and trees have >>already since been cleared and lawn mowed. I have attached a picture of >>the Cemetery as it currently looks as well as a PDF file regarding the >>restoration efforts. I was hopeful that one of, or both of you might be >>able to join us, or at least send me some names of folks buried there, >>most notably Coate(s) family members. I can try to keep a special eye out >>for the headstones on these. Ultimately I'd love to find Benjamin >>Pearson's place of burial, but am not counting on it. Take a look at the >>attachments and please be sure to let your Quaker cousins know about this >>especially on the Coats list if you would? Much appreciated! > > > LINDA COATE, >Columbus, Ohio >[email protected] >www.ancestrees.com

This is a letter that Steve wanted us to forward to the group in case any of the Coates can attend! Linda >Hello Linda and Charlotte, > >I wanted the two of you to be aware that there has been a pretty extensive >restoration of the Bush River Quaker Cemetery, going on for a while now. >There are plans currently in place to spend Saturday the 18th of June, >2005 to map and survey the Cemetery. The brush and trees have already >since been cleared and lawn mowed. I have attached a picture of the >Cemetery as it currently looks as well as a PDF file regarding the >restoration efforts. I was hopeful that one of, or both of you might be >able to join us, or at least send me some names of folks buried there, >most notably Coate(s) family members. I can try to keep a special eye out >for the headstones on these. Ultimately I'd love to find Benjamin >Pearson's place of burial, but am not counting on it. Take a look at the >attachments and please be sure to let your Quaker cousins know about this >especially on the Coats list if you would? Much appreciated! LINDA COATE, Columbus, Ohio [email protected] www.ancestrees.com

John Martin Coates from Portaferry Ireland was Surgeon Lieut. Colonel, Indian Medical Service. He became the Principal and Professor of Medicine at the Medical College in Calcutta. He married Sophie Harper in India and their children were born in India - Matilda Sophia Coates , Dr Henry Horiton Cole Coates , John Martin Coates, Williamina Coates , Nora Coates , Florence Campbell Coates , Charles Foster Coates, Violet Mary Coates. Does this connect with anyone's family tree. Regards Noeline

I am trying to find information about my grandmother Gertrude Harriet Elizabeth Hagues born in Cottingham E Yorks who was born in1868 and later moved to Hull and married John Watson Coates in1893.They had three children Walter,Emma,and my mother Polly I would appreciate any information at all Thankyou

Hi, I noticed in some notations from 1999, a discussion about the connection between the Jersey Settlement in North Carolina and Hopewell, New Jersey. I have a great source explaining the connections between these two places. Many of the families of Hopewell, NJ did migrate to Jersey Settlement after they were forced to pay for the land they had purchased in Hopewell a second time or forfeit it. This became known as "The Coxe Affair". The families that migrated to North Carolina kept in touch with the families in Hopewell. The families were Presbyterian, Quakers and Baptists. Another interesting note about this article is that many of the Quakers and Baptists baptized their children in St. Mary's Episcopal Church in order to keep their land rights in their families. Since church and state were the same at the time under English rule, anyone not of the Episcopal faith had few rights politically, including land rights. This article also shows how people of varying faiths used the same church and eventually merged in some cases. Here is the website: http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/mckstmerjersey.htm One other note concerning this "Coxe Affair" is that it was instrumental in the basis for the Regulator's War in North Carolina, as many of the families involved in this conflict were originally from Hopewell, New Jersey. I descend through Henry Coates and Susannah Elliotts' daughter Jane Coates who married John Hunt. I have quite a bit of information on the Hunt line, if anyone is interested in any of it, but I have not been able to figure out the Coates line at all. I am more than happy to share what I do have and I will add anything I may find on the Coates line as I come across it. Hopefully some of this information can help for background information. Sincerely, Lisa Johnson