FYI...Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: infogen <infogen@vianet.net.au> Reply-To: infogen@vianet.net.au To: coats@lawyer4u.com Subject: Coate Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:50:17 +0800 I am looking for any information on Vincent George Coate (b. abt 1813) and george Coggan Coate B. 1838) in yeovil, Somerset. Can you help me? My mother was a gggranddaughter of Vincent Coate. Thank You. Nigel Boundy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Not sure this made it to the list...Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: James Coats <jimnell1@itexas.net> To: Charlotte * <coats@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Austin and Elijah Coates, Wilkinson Co, MS Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:52:09 -0500 Charlotte , This is Nell Coats. My nephew Larry Burl Coats married Elizabeth Catherine Coates of New Orleans La. Austin Coats is part of the names of males they have repeated in that particular Coates family from generation to generation. The family as far back as they have traced began in Mississippi. On site for different parishes in Louisiana is a phelora of Coates that descend or appear to descend from Austin Coates and that Miss. family . I have not pursued them since they are not our direct line. Rather I have been searching for my particular brick walls and we have several. Nell Coats Suggestion maybe we could post some of our collateral lines and the areas we are searching for to this web site . Often we run across information that benefits someone else that is also looking for needles in haystacks. Charlotte * wrote: > Yes, that is the impression I'm getting that there are two Austins...or > several as it appears here...<g>...but the Austin in TN is a different one > it seems... > > I'm wondering if with some of these there might also be a *cousin* > connection...where brothers have named their kids after each other etc... > > Char > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Justin M. Sanders" <jsanders@jaguar1.usouthal.edu> > To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Austin and Elijah Coates, Wilkinson Co, MS > Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 20:03:58 -0500 (CDT) > > Linda asks-- > > Justin, If this is true, that Austin is Elijah's son, are there two > > Austin Coates of this time period, the other being the son of William and > > Susannah Dismukes Coats. > > If I understand the situation correctly, the Austin Coates of Wilkinson > Co, MS must be another Austin (i.e. *not* the son of William and Susannah) > because William and Susannah's Austin was living in Tennessee in the > 1830's and married another Dismuke. The Wilkinson Co, MS Austin died in > the late 1820's (if memory serves) and married a Margaret Kuhn (Coon). > > So just as there are lots of Sions floating around, there seems to be a > surplus of Austins too. > > I might point out that there is a Sion L. Coates from SC who died in > Cherokee AL and had a son named Austin. There is a Sion L. Coates in > Barnwell/Orangeburg Co, SC at the same time that Elijah (and son Pollard) > are there, so there might be some connection there. > > Justin M. Sanders "I shot an arrow into the air. It fell > Dept. of Physics to earth I know not where." --Henry > Univ. of South Alabama Wadsworth Longfellow confessing > jsanders@jaguar1.usouthal.edu to a sad ignorance of ballistics. > > ==== COATES Mailing List ==== > Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: > http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ==== COATES Mailing List ==== > Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: > http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Sorry if this is a duplicate...the first went as an attachment...Char _________________ From: Doris Fountain <doriskf@attglobal.net> Reply-To: doriskf@attglobal.net To: doriskf@attglobal.net Subject: Coats of SC Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:00:54 -0400 Sion L. COATES, b. ca 1770 SC, d. ca 1854 (will dated 29 Sept 1854 & attested in court 14 Nov 1854, Lauderdale Co., MS. I'm not sure the name of his first wife, however, he was married to Nancy FOSTER, a widow with children, from Kemper Co., MS, between 1850-1854. Children (according to court records): (1) William COATES (he married Jane KITTRELL) (2) Mary COATES (she married _____FOREST) (3) Levinia COATES (she married Ezekiel DANIEL) (4) Tabitha COATES (she married Nathaniel KITTRELL) (5) Elizabeth COATES (she married William BUSBY) (6) Martha COATES (she married ____DYKES) (7) Cynthia COATES (she married John SELLERS) (8) Daniel COATES (he married Anne E._____) (9) Sarah R. COATES (she married Allen WILKERSON...this is my family.) Sion L. COATES & his family lived in Orangeburg & Barnwell counties, SC, until 1835. In 1835 they moved to Lauderdale Co., MS. Sarah & Allen WILKERSON came to TX in 1855. waltw@electrotex.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_664a5e00_91bda28$18eaf74c Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed FYI...Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: Doris Fountain <doriskf@attglobal.net> Reply-To: doriskf@attglobal.net To: coats@hotmail.com Subject: [Fwd: Coats of SC] Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:23:43 -0400 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_664a5e00_91bda28$18eaf74c Content-Type: message/rfc822 >From doriskf@attglobal.net Fri May 26 19:39:34 2000 Received: from [32.97.166.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBAF8803C00C9D82197E72061A62305041; Fri May 26 19:38:58 2000 Received: from hp-customer ([166.72.168.152]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <2000052702381824302s4omfe>; Sat, 27 May 2000 02:38:18 +0000 Message-ID: <392F31AF.381B@attglobal.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:23:43 -0400 From: Doris Fountain <doriskf@attglobal.net> Reply-To: doriskf@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: coats@hotmail.com Subject: [Fwd: Coats of SC] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <392F1E46.54AD@attglobal.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:00:54 -0400 From: Doris Fountain <doriskf@attglobal.net> Reply-To: doriskf@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doriskf@attglobal.net Subject: Coats of SC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sion L. COATES, b. ca 1770 SC, d. ca 1854 (will dated 29 Sept 1854 & attested in court 14 Nov 1854, Lauderdale Co., MS. I'm not sure the name of his first wife, however, he was married to Nancy FOSTER, a widow with children, from Kemper Co., MS, between 1850-1854. Children (according to court records): (1) William COATES (he married Jane KITTRELL) (2) Mary COATES (she married _____FOREST) (3) Levinia COATES (she married Ezekiel DANIEL) (4) Tabitha COATES (she married Nathaniel KITTRELL) (5) Elizabeth COATES (she married William BUSBY) (6) Martha COATES (she married ____DYKES) (7) Cynthia COATES (she married John SELLERS) (8) Daniel COATES (he married Anne E._____) (9) Sarah R. COATES (she married Allen WILKERSON...this is my family.) Sion L. COATES & his family lived in Orangeburg & Barnwell counties, SC, until 1835. In 1835 they moved to Lauderdale Co., MS. Sarah & Allen WILKERSON came to TX in 1855. waltw@electrotex.com ------=_NextPart_000_664a5e00_91bda28$18eaf74c--

FYI...Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Michael S. Cole, M.D." <MColeMD@theColeFamily.com> To: "Justin M. Sanders" <jsanders@jaguar1.usouthal.edu> CC: "C. Coats-Siercks" <coats@hotmail.com>, "Joe Coates" <grampajoec@Lynchburg.net> Subject: SULLENS, HARBOUR, COATS genealogy Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:30:58 -0500 At 06:34 05/29/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Source: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Austin and Elijah Coates, Wilkinson Co, MS > > >> ----Original Message Follows---- > >> From: "Joe Coates" <grampajoec@Lynchburg.net> > >> To: "C. Coats-Siercks" <coats@hotmail.com> > >> Subject: Re: Additional Coates Info- Sion & Gideon & Families > >> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:49:28 -0400 > >> > >> Gideon Edwards Coats married Sarah Penn, the daughter of William > >> Warren Penn and Mourning Sullens. [snip] > >> > >> Gideon Edwards Coats and Sion L. Coats had a sister named Rebecca >> >who married Plesant Harbour. Their children were as follows: > >> > >> 1. Pemilia Harbour, born 1845 > >> 2. Arimitta Harbour, born 1847 > >> 3. John Harbour, born 1849 I'm not a member of COATES-L, but I monitor all RootsWeb messages for SULLENS and SULLINS. The message above I found particularly interesting since my wife's ancestor Lavinia (WITT) SULLINS (d. c.1775, Halifax Co., VA) was the daughter of Charles & Lamina (HARBOUR) WITT. I appreciate receiving the new information about the children of Gideon Edwards and Sarah (PENN) COATS. According to the book, _The HARBOURs in America_, by Louis J. WILLIAMS, 1982, pp. 115, Rebecca Tillman (COATS) HARBOUR was the daughter of Simeon COATS. On 25 Nov 1842 Rebecca married Pleasant Wesley HARBOUR, (born 30 October 1813, died circa 1900), son of John (Franklin) HARBOUR and Jane (or Jean or Jennie) (MOORE) HARBOUR. Following is a list of the children of Pleasant & Rebecca (COAT[E]S) HARBOUR: 1 Permilia HARBOUR was born on 9 Jan 1844. She married Jerry WILSON at Piedmont, Alabama. 2 Aramanta C. HARBOUR was born on 8 Jan 1846. She probably died young. 3 John Augustus HARBOUR was born on 15 Oct 1849. He probably died young. 4 Adolphus Rolen HARBOUR was born on 29 Aug 1853 at Goshen Valley (now Piedmont), Alabama. He married Philo Brown THOMPSON on 6 Oct 1875. He died on 23 Aug 1934 at Rome, Georgia, at age 80. 5 James Wesley HARBOUR was born on 28 Aug 1855. He married Tallulah Kathleen BYRD on 3 Jul 1884. He died on 13 Dec 1935 at age 80. 6 Ellen HARBOUR married Charles Norton THOMPSON. 7 Sarah Jane (Sally) HARBOUR married Thomas Chesterfield COWAN. Printed on: 29 May 2000 Prepared by: Michael S. Cole, M.D. 7410 Oxford Place Fort Smith, AR 72903-4232 MColeMD@theColeFamily.com So, was Rebecca the daughter of Sion or Simeon COATS? ~~Michael Cole http://www.theColeFamily.com/hobby/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

I've added some photos to the photo page... A Memorial Day tribute to my Dad...Claud Russell Coats... http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/photo.html Char ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

On Mon, 29 May 2000, Linda J. Dudick wrote: > Thanks for the update. As far as I know from other's correspondence and > their first hand records, Sion L. has not been found to have a son named > Austin. What was your source on that? Maybe there are two Sion L's as the > one I have died in 1854 in Lauderdale Co., MS. I was basing it on a message from Joe Coates to COATES-L: > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:05:08 PDT > From: "C. Coats-Siercks" <coats@hotmail.com> > To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <19980724160513.29435.qmail@hotmail.com> > Subject: Fwd: Re: Additional Coates Info- Sion & Gideon & Families > Content-Type: text/plain > > Nice find, Joe...was Sion L. Coates the son of the Sion Coates in SC, > I'm assuming at this point there is a connection there...Charlotte > >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Joe Coates" <grampajoec@Lynchburg.net> >> To: "C. Coats-Siercks" <coats@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Re: Additional Coates Info- Sion & Gideon & Families >> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:49:28 -0400 >> >> Additional Info received on Sion L. Coates, Gideon Edwards Coats and >> families are as follows: >> >> Gideon Edwards Coats married Sarah Penn, the daughter of William >> Warren Penn and Mourning Sullens. Children of Gideon and Sarah were >> as folllows: >> 1. William Sion Coates, born 1842 >> 2. John R. Coats, born 1844 >> 3. Francis Elizabeth Coats, born 1846; Married J.E. McCluney. >> 4. Mary Coats(twin), born 1850; married J.E. Polk Miller. >> 5. Martha Coats(twin), born 1850; married Samuel Cowen. >> 6. Andrew Jackson Coats; married Mattie Stewart. >> 7. Daniel Coats; married Willie Stewart. >> 8. Dorothy Coats; married Thomas Cowan Hughes. >> >> As far as is known Sion L. Coats and Elizabeth Darrow had only 1 child >> named Austin P. Coates and he died in 1856. He is buried in >> Coats-Darrow Cemetery. >> >> Gideon Edwards Coats and Sion L. Coats had a sister named Rebecca who >> married Plesant Harbour. Their children were as follows: >> >> 1. Pemilia Harbour, born 1845 >> 2. Arimitta Harbour, born 1847 >> 3. John Harbour, born 1849 >> >> The Court House in what was then Cherokee County, Alabama burned >> around 1880 with all records lost. In the mailing list archives for 1999 there are some other messages from Michael Tucker who also discusses Austin P. Coates as a son of Sion L. Coates. Justin M. Sanders "I shot an arrow into the air. It fell Dept. of Physics to earth I know not where." --Henry Univ. of South Alabama Wadsworth Longfellow confessing jsanders@jaguar1.usouthal.edu to a sad ignorance of ballistics.

Thanks for the update. As far as I know from other's correspondence and their first hand records, Sion L. has not been found to have a son named Austin. What was your source on that? Maybe there are two Sion L's as the one I have died in 1854 in Lauderdale Co., MS. Also, this is what I have for Austin Marion Coats married to Margaret Kuhn. Is it correct? His only listed child in this families bible records was David Jackson, b. 1818. David Jackson married Lydia Ann Jane Poe. Austin can be found in the 1830 Wilkinson Co., MS census records. At 08:03 PM 5/28/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Linda asks-- > > Justin, If this is true, that Austin is Elijah's son, are there two > > Austin Coates of this time period, the other being the son of William and > > Susannah Dismukes Coats. > >If I understand the situation correctly, the Austin Coates of Wilkinson >Co, MS must be another Austin (i.e. *not* the son of William and Susannah) >because William and Susannah's Austin was living in Tennessee in the >1830's and married another Dismuke. The Wilkinson Co, MS Austin died in >the late 1820's (if memory serves) and married a Margaret Kuhn (Coon). > >So just as there are lots of Sions floating around, there seems to be a >surplus of Austins too. > >I might point out that there is a Sion L. Coates from SC who died in >Cherokee AL and had a son named Austin. There is a Sion L. Coates in >Barnwell/Orangeburg Co, SC at the same time that Elijah (and son Pollard) >are there, so there might be some connection there. > >Justin M. Sanders "I shot an arrow into the air. It fell >Dept. of Physics to earth I know not where." --Henry >Univ. of South Alabama Wadsworth Longfellow confessing >jsanders@jaguar1.usouthal.edu to a sad ignorance of ballistics.

Just a few comments this evening, before wishing everyone a wonderful Memorial Day... I was at the cemetery here in Orange County, CA, looking for another ancestor...not Coats, but was rather surprised when the Cemetery personnel asked me if I was looking for a marked grave...apparently there are quite a few unmarked graves...now, that doesn't mean they don't know who's there, it just means it has no head stone...so when doing reseach and you can't find a marker make sure it's not an unmarked grave but the cemetery has the records... I also contacted a cemetery in KS and was surprised they had records back to 1883...someone somewhere takes care of the records...in my case it was one person in the town that had the records...needless to say everyone knew him...<g>...all they had on record was the death date...I was so amazed they even had records back to that date I don't recall if they had the birth date as well...I was looking for parent names...but that they didn't have... I also contacted a funeral home last week I was busy...<g>...I was amazed at the information they have, apparently they need to keep a lot of info...I was also amazed that they will send that info to you and in my case at no charge...isn't that a pleasant change...<g>... one of the records I was looking for was a parents name for the deceased and they had it...right there in their records...a lot of funeral homes didn't start til the early 1900s but some people born in the late or mid 1800s didn't die till the 1900s...so this is another good source for info...there is a web sit... www.funeralnet.com I think it is...that will give you the address and phone number of both funeral homes and cemeteries by state, county or city.... At least in OK and KS they were most helpful.... Now, have a wonderful Memorial Day and remember this is a hobby...<g>... Char ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Yes, that is the impression I'm getting that there are two Austins...or several as it appears here...<g>...but the Austin in TN is a different one it seems... I'm wondering if with some of these there might also be a *cousin* connection...where brothers have named their kids after each other etc... Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Justin M. Sanders" <jsanders@jaguar1.usouthal.edu> To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Austin and Elijah Coates, Wilkinson Co, MS Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 20:03:58 -0500 (CDT) Linda asks-- > Justin, If this is true, that Austin is Elijah's son, are there two > Austin Coates of this time period, the other being the son of William and > Susannah Dismukes Coats. If I understand the situation correctly, the Austin Coates of Wilkinson Co, MS must be another Austin (i.e. *not* the son of William and Susannah) because William and Susannah's Austin was living in Tennessee in the 1830's and married another Dismuke. The Wilkinson Co, MS Austin died in the late 1820's (if memory serves) and married a Margaret Kuhn (Coon). So just as there are lots of Sions floating around, there seems to be a surplus of Austins too. I might point out that there is a Sion L. Coates from SC who died in Cherokee AL and had a son named Austin. There is a Sion L. Coates in Barnwell/Orangeburg Co, SC at the same time that Elijah (and son Pollard) are there, so there might be some connection there. Justin M. Sanders "I shot an arrow into the air. It fell Dept. of Physics to earth I know not where." --Henry Univ. of South Alabama Wadsworth Longfellow confessing jsanders@jaguar1.usouthal.edu to a sad ignorance of ballistics. ==== COATES Mailing List ==== Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Linda asks-- > Justin, If this is true, that Austin is Elijah's son, are there two > Austin Coates of this time period, the other being the son of William and > Susannah Dismukes Coats. If I understand the situation correctly, the Austin Coates of Wilkinson Co, MS must be another Austin (i.e. *not* the son of William and Susannah) because William and Susannah's Austin was living in Tennessee in the 1830's and married another Dismuke. The Wilkinson Co, MS Austin died in the late 1820's (if memory serves) and married a Margaret Kuhn (Coon). So just as there are lots of Sions floating around, there seems to be a surplus of Austins too. I might point out that there is a Sion L. Coates from SC who died in Cherokee AL and had a son named Austin. There is a Sion L. Coates in Barnwell/Orangeburg Co, SC at the same time that Elijah (and son Pollard) are there, so there might be some connection there. Justin M. Sanders "I shot an arrow into the air. It fell Dept. of Physics to earth I know not where." --Henry Univ. of South Alabama Wadsworth Longfellow confessing jsanders@jaguar1.usouthal.edu to a sad ignorance of ballistics.

Here are some notes which show a connection between Elijah and Austin Coates of Wilkinson MS. If Elijah is the same as the one in Barnwell, SC, then a possibility is that Austin is Elijah's son by a first wife and that Pollard Hickman Coates is Elijah's son by 2nd wife Elenor (Helena) Hickman-- that would account for why Austin was not mentioned as a grandson in John Hickman's will. The 1819 tax roll is the latest reference I've found so far to Elijah-- whether he died, or simply moved away, isn't obvious (except that there isn't a probate record for him). As can be seen from the land records, Elijah was not able to follow through to purchase any of the 3 tracts that he entered-- one was forfeited, one was assigned to William Anderson, and one was assigned to Austin. So Elijah may have simply moved on to greener pastures leaving his partially-paid-for Mississippi lands behind. ***Begin*** Land Patents in Mississippi, Washington District Tract Book Vol 26 p.95 Elijah Coates of Wilkinson Co for NE 1/4 S10 T2 R1[W] cont'g 161 12/100 ac at $2/ac; 10 Dec 1816, $322.24; paid $16.11 on 10 Dec 1816; paid $64.45 on 17 Jan 1817 1st installment; further credit 1st Class Decl No 498 3 Jul 1821; forfeited 3 Jul 1829 p.97 Elijah Coates of Wilkinson Co for W 1/2 S11 T2N R1W "Note: for this 1/2 S, see add'n vol 1, p142" p.103 Elijah Coates of Wilkinson Co assigned to William Anderson, NE 1/4 of S14 T2 R1[W] cont'g 162 21/100 ac at $2/ac; 10 Dec 1816 deposit $16.22; 17 Jan 1817 1st installment: stock $50, cash $14.85 = $64.88; further credit 1st Class, per Relinq't No 104, 24 Aug 1821; 26 Jul 1822 by cash in full and interest; patent dated 4 Sep 1824 Additional Vol 1 p142 Elijah Coates of Wilkinson Co, assigned to Austin Coates. Re- entered by Coates 28 Jun 1816, See Return No 117; W 1/2 S11 T2 R1W cont'g 322 59/100 ac at $2/ac; 26 Jan 1811 deposit $32.25; 5 Mar 1811 1st installment $129.04; 28 Jun 1816 interest due to 26 Feb 1816 $144.90; 22 Feb 1819 2nd installment and interest $191.04; 22 Feb 1819 3rd installment and interest $191.04; 4th installment and interest $191.06; Total $879.33; Patent dated 13 Dec 1819 Cert. No. 675 Wilkinson Co, MS Deed Records Bk C, p130-- Austin Coates of Wilkinson to Adam Laneheart of same, 29 Dec 1821; $800; parcel on Buffalo Crk bounded N by Austin Coates, on S and W by Benjamin Rawlins, on E by vacant lands, being SW 1/4 of S11 R1 T2 containing 161 29 1/2 /100's ac. Wilkinson Co, MS Tax Rolls 1813 Elijah Coates, 80a, 4th class, 2nd quality, 48 cts land tax, situated on Buffalo, title under United States; 1 white poll, 1 slave, Tax 1 dollar 4 3/4 cts 1818 Elijah Coats, 120a, 4th class, 2nd qual, 97 cts land tax, situated on Buffalo, title from United States; Tax 97 cts Austin Coats, 1 white poll, tax 83 cts 1819 Austin Coats, 120a, 4th class, 2nd qual, 97 1/4 cts land tax, situated on Buffalo, title from United States; 1 white poll; Tax 1 dollar, 97 1/4 cts 1820 Austin Coats, 1 white poll, 75 cts 1821 Austin Coats, 100a, 4th class, 2nd qual, 96 cts land tax, situated on Buffaloe, title from United States, 1 white poll, 1 slave; tax 2 dollars 46 cts Mississippi Census Records 1816 Territorial Census, Wilkinson Co Coats, Elijah: 2 wm over 21, 2 wf over 21, 1 wf under 21, total white 5; 1 slave; total 6 1820 State Census, Wilkinson Co Coats, Austin: 1 taxable wm, 2 free wm, 2 free wf; total [torn] 1825 State Census, Wilkinson Co (dated 12 Jan 1825) Coats, Austin: 1 taxable wm, 1 slave, 5 wm, 2 wf, 1 birth, 0 deaths ***End*** Justin M. Sanders "I shot an arrow into the air. It fell Dept. of Physics to earth I know not where." --Henry Univ. of South Alabama Wadsworth Longfellow confessing jsanders@jaguar1.usouthal.edu to a sad ignorance of ballistics.

Thought this interesting... http://www.syix.com/bevans/barbara/cnew16.htm If you page down you'll see some Coats records they believe to be Couts...<g>...well the plot thickens...<g>... Char ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

FYI...Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Pat Scott" <pat@directcon.net> To: <coats@hotmail.com> Subject: Arthur Coates Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:00:01 -0700 I am trying to find the parents of Arthur Coates. He was born November 2, 1896 In Lancashire, England. I do have a name of William Coates and that is about it. If anyone knows where I can find more information on Arthur I would love it. Thank for your time. Pat ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_15b892e2_39f27a1a$517d2ba Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed FYI...Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: Doris Fountain <doriskf@attglobal.net> Reply-To: doriskf@attglobal.net To: coats@hotmail.com Subject: [Fwd: Coats of SC] Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:23:43 -0400 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_15b892e2_39f27a1a$517d2ba Content-Type: message/rfc822 >From doriskf@attglobal.net Fri May 26 19:39:34 2000 Received: from [32.97.166.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBAF8803C00C9D82197E72061A62305041; Fri May 26 19:38:58 2000 Received: from hp-customer ([166.72.168.152]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <2000052702381824302s4omfe>; Sat, 27 May 2000 02:38:18 +0000 Message-ID: <392F31AF.381B@attglobal.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:23:43 -0400 From: Doris Fountain <doriskf@attglobal.net> Reply-To: doriskf@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: coats@hotmail.com Subject: [Fwd: Coats of SC] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <392F1E46.54AD@attglobal.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:00:54 -0400 From: Doris Fountain <doriskf@attglobal.net> Reply-To: doriskf@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doriskf@attglobal.net Subject: Coats of SC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sion L. COATES, b. ca 1770 SC, d. ca 1854 (will dated 29 Sept 1854 & attested in court 14 Nov 1854, Lauderdale Co., MS. I'm not sure the name of his first wife, however, he was married to Nancy FOSTER, a widow with children, from Kemper Co., MS, between 1850-1854. Children (according to court records): (1) William COATES (he married Jane KITTRELL) (2) Mary COATES (she married _____FOREST) (3) Levinia COATES (she married Ezekiel DANIEL) (4) Tabitha COATES (she married Nathaniel KITTRELL) (5) Elizabeth COATES (she married William BUSBY) (6) Martha COATES (she married ____DYKES) (7) Cynthia COATES (she married John SELLERS) (8) Daniel COATES (he married Anne E._____) (9) Sarah R. COATES (she married Allen WILKERSON...this is my family.) Sion L. COATES & his family lived in Orangeburg & Barnwell counties, SC, until 1835. In 1835 they moved to Lauderdale Co., MS. Sarah & Allen WILKERSON came to TX in 1855. waltw@electrotex.com ------=_NextPart_000_15b892e2_39f27a1a$517d2ba--

Legislative Petitions int he National Archives --- Abolition of Slavery - Petitions and Memorials: Records of the US House of Representatives (Record Group 233), Records of the Judiciary Committee, Committee on the Judiciary. HR 27A-G10.7 (1841-43) HR 28A-G10.2 (1843-45) HR 30A-G9.2 (1847-49) HR 32A-G10.3 (1851-53) HR 36A-G10.5 (1859-61) HR 37A-G7.1 (1861-63) HR 37A-G7.2 (1861-63) HR 38A-G10.1 (1863-65) more also on Woman Suffrage and alcohol temperance from the Senate...all either record group 233 or 46 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Here's some interesting records: These are National Archive Record Group 15: Records of the Veterans Administration.... Remarried Widows Index (filed under current woman's name, then will reference the veteran) M1784: Index to Pension Application files of Remarried Widows based on Service in the War of 1812, Indian War, Mexican War and Regular Army before 1861 M1785: Index to Pension Application files of remarried widows based on service in the Civil War and later wars and in the REgular Army after the Civil War.... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

My number is getting off...<g>... You may discover from an obituary that your great-grandmother was a suffragist. Check police records. she may have been arrested during a demonstration along with hundreds of other women. Or perhaps a female ancestor was one of the thirty thousand women shirtwaist makers who went on strike in New York City in 1909 for better wages and working conditions. Many of these women were arrested and incarcerated. A year later, 146 women were killed in a fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Company. This shop refused to install fire escapes and kept workroom doors locked. Newspaper accounts would be invaluable if a female ancestor was part of these events. Or maybe one of your urban female ancestors worked in a birth control clinic at the turn of the twentieth century and was arrested. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, certainly wasn't a hardened criminal, but she did spend a great deal of time behind bars for her progressive views... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Another research point to keep in mind is that there are different records for different time periods and localities, so it is extremely important to learn the sources for that era and place. For example, you won't find federal census records prior to 1790 so if you are researching int he 1600s that records is not a source for you. Likewise, if you are researching in Wyoming in the 1870s you may find a voter registration on your female ancestor, since woman suffrage was passed there in 1869; but you won't find a voter list for women in Vermont until the Nineteenth Amendment was passed in 1920 (see Voter Lists and Registrations, page 26) You may find an index such as the Charles R. Hale Collection of the connecticut State Library that records early cemetery inscriptions and newspaper notices for that state. Other states may not have such a collection. It is beyond the scope of this book to discuss all the different types of sources available but in Appendix C you will find a detailed source checklist of common nd uncommon records. General genealogical guidebooks as listed in the introduction and bibliography will give you the background information you need to located and use these historical records. The emphasis here will be on records that give you specific information on women. ...though you may not find each and every type of record on your women ancestors or their associates, the source checklist in AC is provided to remind you of potential sources and to give you ideas for possible records. Never dismiss a record because you haven't heard any family stories or haven't discovered something in another record that would lead you to believe an ancestor would be in that document. For instance, many women petitioned for divorce, but it was never granted. A former client happened upon a divorce petition for her grandmother in the 1870s. Although the woman claimed extreme physical cruelty form her husband - being beaten, choked, whipped with an ox whip, and being threatened that he would get rid of her by chopping her head in two, the divorce was never granted....(well that's interesting..remember Catherine and John in Newberry...maybe they didn't get a divorce after all, that's why the records seem incomplete) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

The main objective in researching women is to leave no stone unturned. You never know what record will provide you with information. And you never know what record about someone else will provide you with facts on your female ancestors. If you think of your grandmother, for example, in terms of some of her roles in life, you can broaden your research: daughter wife widow mother grandmother sister niece granddaughter friend neighbor Char's note: say in a lot of the revolutionary records, there was usually a neighbor or two that had to witness they knew the person... As a daughter: there may be mention of her in records on her father or mother: check for all records of her husband that may likely name her, such as pension applications. As a Widow: her legal and social status changed, so she may create records under her own name. As a mother: look for documents on her children, such as death certificates that give the mother's name. As a grandmother: she may be living with one or her grandchildren and can be found on a census in that household. As a sister: you may find mention of her in a sibling's diary. As a niece: she may be an heir to an unmarried uncle. As a granddaughter: she may inherit something from a grandparent. As a friend: she may be discussed in a letter. And as a neighbor: she may own the adjoining property and be named in a land deed. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com