FYI...Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: Writecjc@aol.com To: coats@hotmail.com Subject: Re: James Coats Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:32:21 EDT This James Coats would have been born abt.1839 possibly Lincoln Co. TN. He married Sept. 20, 1860 to Orlena B. Shipp the last daughter of Lewis and Elizabeth (Hurley) McElroy SHIPP in Lincoln Co. TN. I believe this James Coats was killed in the Civil War. I do not know which skirmish though. They had one child a male named S.S. Coats. This is all we know. C.M. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

There was only the one Quaker Meeting in Newberry Co., Bush River Monthly Meeting. I have been to their cemetery and it didn't seem to me that it was that far out of town. Any of you planning to go there to check it out, don't look for a lot of tombstones. There are only Chandler and Herbert tombstones in the cemetery/burying ground. The cemetery is back in the woods a dozen yards or so behind the historical marker for the meeting. DJ

Hello folks, I am trying to make a connection between James Walker and Austin Marion Coates b. 1788 . Wilkinson, Co., Ms. In the LDS they say that Austin Coates married to Margaret Kuhn is related to a James Walker. I do not always take stock in the LDS but, I have seen this several other places also. Are there Walkers and Coates relations?? Thank you, Robbie

FYI....Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: Valerie Bush <absolutely-fabulous@worldnet.att.net> To: coats@lawyer4u.com, lizzhamm@aol.com, hugh@cix.compulink.co.uk, malee@lineone.net, wendyborl@hotmail.com, lmck_6@hotmail.com, gaia153@aol.com, rosgrah@acay.com.au Subject: Coates Family Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:26:32 -0400 I found your name(s) on Durham list. I have been searching the WILSON family of Stockton / Thornaby / Mandale and Sadberge. A curious entry on a wedding certificate brings the COATES family name into my search. Can anyone help? The wedding was 17 July 1837 at Sadberge, The bride was Mary Robinson age 18 of Sadberge, daughter of William Robinson, Shoemaker. Her husband was John Wilson, age 20 also of Sadberge. BUT, his father is listed as JOHN COATES, Coal Agent. This is obviously very confusing. Any ideas or connections? Thank you Valerie Power Bush New Jersey, USA ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

FYI...anyone got a Shipp in there family? ----Original Message Follows---- From: Writecjc@aol.com To: coats@lawyer4u.com Subject: James Coats Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:28:15 EDT Is this the same James Coats who married Orlena B. Shipp Coats? Thanks, C.M. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

FYI....Char __________________________ From: "Jeff G. Bedenbaugh" <jjbede@bellsouth.net> To: <meyerma@webtv.net> Subject: PROSPERITY Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:23:03 -0400 Hi Mary, Yes, I do in fact know the exact location of Prosperity. It's about 10 miles from my home. It is located roughly 5 miles SSE of Newberry at the intersection of US hwy. 76 and hwy 391. The town was incorporated as "Frog Level" in 1851, and the name was changed to "Prosperity" in 1873. It is assumed that the name Prosperity was taken from the A.R. P. church of that name, which was built in 1802, about 1/2 mile SE of what became the town center. The church was moved closer to the town at some later date. It eventually became inactive, and what was left of the congregation merged with Cannon's Creek A.R.P., and built a new church about halfway between Prosperity & Newberry. The cemetery was deeded to the town as a municipal cemetery, and the old Prosperity church building was torn down within the past several years. A lot of confusion about the name of Prosperity / Frog Level probably comes from the post office. The post office was named Stoney Battery in 1827, 5 years later, it became Frog Level, changed again to Stoney Battery, and was Frog Level in 1850, named Prosperity in 1851, was renamed Frog Level in 1865, and was changed back to Prosperity when the citizens petitioned the legislature to change the town name in 1873. The post office changed names more often than the town! Carwile: The Carwile family were notable Newberry residents, in 1832 George S. Carwile was a signer of the petition to incorporate the town of Newberry, John B. Carwile wrote a book "Reminiscences of Newberry", as well as being a prominent businessman, he served in the clerk of courts office, and probably other positions, which I do not remember at this time. John S. Carwile served as sheriff, 1820-1824, and again 1828-1832; tax collector, 1815-1820; coroner-1841; commissioner of public buildings in 1837, and 1840; commissioner to approve public securities in 1815. Michael Bedenbaugh's wife: whoever she was, they apparently married in Germany as the record of his petition for a land grant in the Council Journal makes reference to one Michael Pietbag and his wife. You are right about the Scotts-Irish. There were very few "real" Irish in the early colony/state, (John Belton O'Neall was one). I'm sure he knew the difference, as he also referred to the Germans as "Dutchmen" usually, but in other places, indicated that he knew they were German. I am sure he knew the "Irish" were really Scotts, but went with the commonly used names for these people. The Moore's were Scotts-Irish A.R.P folks also, and my g-grand father is buried in the old Prosperity Church Cemetery. Thanks for all the information, Jeff ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

From: Kristen Randle <kristen@rosewoodrecording.com> Reply-To: kristen@rosewoodrecording.com To: Mary Meyer <meyerma@webtv.net> Subject: Re: Vachel Davis and Ethel Updike Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:51:09 -0600 http://kristen.randle.com is the front door. I'm working on that site today. http://rosewoodrecording.com/genealogy/names.html is the main page for the records section ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

FYI....Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: meyerma@webtv.net (Mary Meyer) To: coats@hotmail.com (Charlotte *) CC: meyerma_77801@yahoo.com Subject: Newberry Co. SC Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:29:13 -0500 (CDT) Hi Charlotte, At the library in Newberry, the nice lady brought out a BIG map and spread it out. Quaker Burying Grounds was on that map! I saw it written in, so the exact location has been pinpointed. There are 2 churches named Bush River Baptist Church about a half mile apart. Give me your snailmail address and I'll send you some pictures. We (Clarence Hodnett and his wife Delene, Valeria Wigington, Bruce Wilhoit, and I) went inside the Caucasian BRBC and the pastor and his wife visted with us a few minutes. His name is Rev. Glen D. Buie. His address is 8936 Bush River Road, Newberry SC 29108 and his phone # is 803-276-2380. He gave us a book (the kind you bind at Kinko's) which was put together for their 225th anniversary celebration. It is entitled Bush River Baptist Church 1771-1996. Twist my arm and I'll make you a copy. It's about 63 pp. We were told the original records are in a safe deposit box at the bank and the person with the key was "out of pocket" (my words). At the library, I made a photocopy of the Bush River Baptist Church cemetery listings and I noticed the name: Sarah An Coates 2/12/1827 - 7/16/1827. I also copied pp. 22-23 of NEWBERRY CO. SC CEMETERIES Vol. 1 (1982). I guess you have that already. It's for QUAKER CEMETERY. Is that the same place as Quaker Burying Grounds? I'm sorry if that sounds like a stupid question (I thought maybe there were 2). The location of Quaker Cemetery is given in this book as 3 1/2 miles south of Newberry SC. I mentioned earlier the big map with "Quaker Burying Grounds" written in; I saw that, but I don't remember if the location was "3 1/2 miles south of Newberry." The surnames on the Quaker Cemetery list are Gilliam, Lake, Gilbert, Blair, Latham, Robers, Spillars, Earle, Hunt, Herbert, Buk....(broken), Chandler, Pugh, Reagan, Kelly, Parham, Jenkins, Kirk, Mendenhall, Thomas, O'Connor, Frean, Belton. Do you know anything about the HUNTs and the KELLYs? I'm going to a wedding in Chattanooga, TN in mid-July and I'm thinking about going back to Newberry around July 17-18. Can you make it then? I have to be in Atlanta on July 19. Valeria and Bruce were great guides (they live one and two hours away). Do you know anything about Palmetto Branch of Bush River? One of John Abernathy's deed records mentioned it. I wanted to go there and we found a Palmetto Creek and I have a snapshot made there (but not at the spot where it meets Bush River). Our able navigators were looking at the OLD map and trying to find a road on the new map that went there. On the old map, I recently noticed the spelling is not "Palmetto" but Pammetto. The nice lady at the library sold me a map for $1.00 of NEWBERRY DISTRICT South Carolina surveyed by M. Coate 1820, improved for Mills' Atlas 1825. Chandler's Mill IS ON THE MAP a little west of Newberry Village on Bush River. COATE is on the map, too, a little north of Saluda River and a little east of Little River. Do you have this map? I could probably reduce it at Kindo's to 11 x 17 or legal. I think I posted something on a Newberry board asking about two references I found to an "island ford" on the Saluda River. It's on the map, too. Do you know anything about Mount Bethel Academy? It's on the map, too. Sorry if I'm boring you with info. you already have. Tell me about the surveyor Mr. Coate. Did he work for the government? Was he born in Newberry Co.? Did he go to an ivy league school? Were others of your relatives "professionals" at that time? Mary Alice ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

FYI...Char ___________________________ colleen@digisys.net Thanks for replying..Henry George Umber, born Sept.19,1840, New York City married Margaret Cecilia Coats, Aug. 12, 1884 in N.Y.City.The marriage date is questionable. Margaret was born Jan.8,1842 in N.Y.City.She died Nov. 28,1920 in Utah.Her father was John Ruthven Coats[Scotland]. I do know he was associated with the Paisley Thread co. in Scotland.Their children were: Lillian,Howard,Harry[my grandfather],Alice, John, Margaret Cecilia,Blanche,Alice. According to what info. I have, there were 2 John's. Jan Lach and Jeannine Tucker are also great- grandchildren of Margaret & Henry. You will see their names in the Genforum. Colleen Sent by Law Mail

It was an Aron Pinson...got that document in the archive though if you want to look at it...big files again...Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Linda J. Dudick" <LDudick@Ancestrees.com> To: "* Charlotte" <coats@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [COATES-L] A second John Sighting Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:01:44 -0400 Was the Pinson named Thomas by chance. If so, you've tied a John Coate of MASS. to SC -- He was married to the d. of Thomas Pinson named Mary. We know that she died in CT, but we don't know where her father died or her husband died. Could be useful. Oops -- John and Mary were born early in 1700, so they wouldn't be involved in a 1803 purchase -- but maybe offsprings of these branches. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

----Original Message Follows---- From: "jelan1" <jelan1@msn.com> To: "* Charlotte" <coats@hotmail.com> CC: <LDudick@ancestrees.com> Subject: Re: Mary Langdale Coates Query Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:57:53 -0400 Dear Char, Hinshaw does list her as Mary Coates, not Mary Langdale. The more accurate comment on this subject is as follows: The Philadelphia Monthly Meeting of Friends recorded the death of a Mary Coates, age 57, on 10-23-1770. This fits perfectly with the date of birth for Mary Langdale Coates, daughter of Josiah Langdale and Margaret Burton, who was born in 1713. In the same place it is reported that there was also a younger Mary Coates, age 30, who died on January 28, 1769. Mary Langdale and Samuel Coates had a daughter, Mary, born in March 1738, who would have been a little less than 31 years of age if she still lived at that time and would fit the described chronological circumstances. [EAQG, II, 347]. For your information, my notes for Coates events listed in the EAQG are attached. John ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

FYI...Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "jelan1" <jelan1@msn.com> To: <LDudick@ancestrees.com> CC: <coats@hotmail.com> Subject: Mary Langdale Coates Query Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:58:56 -0400 Dear Linda, I hope it's ok to address you in this informal way. A few days ago I sent some information to Charlotte Coats-Siercks regarding Josiah Langdale, father of Mary Langdale Coates (wife of Samuel b. 1711) and John Langdale, husband of Sarah Hudson (daughter of William Hudson, Jr. of Philadelphia). I asked for her comments, and she advised me to consult your web site and perhaps write to you. I did look at your site and was very impressed. It is really excellent. I can see why you've been honored for your genealogical work and for your web site. The honors are very well deserved. I took the liberty of improving my records on Josiah Langdale's descendants by borrowing some of your data and adding it to the file I keep with Family Tree Maker V. 7.5. I was pleased to see that my records generally agreed with yours. For example, I noted your skepticism (which I share) about the connection between Henry Coates who married Susan Elliott in Rowan Co., NC, and Samuel and Mary Langdale Coates of Philadelphia. Like you, I'm inclined to accept the list of their children in the Hinshaw encyclopedia as probably accurate, although I've noticed that some researchers have added others to the list. There was one thing, in particular, that surprised me, and I would love to know more about this. I did not realize that Mary Langdale Coates lived until 1804. I had seen a notation in Hinshaw's EAQG stating that Mary Langdale, age 57, died on 10-23-1770. Subtracting 57 from 1770 gives a birthdate for this woman of 1713, which was the year that Josiah's daughter Mary Langdale was born. So I supposed that the woman who died, even though she was referred to as Mary Langdale, not Mary Coates, was probably the widow of Samuel Coates. Since that apparently was not the case, do you know the identity of this Mary Langdale who died at age 57 in 1770? I was also very interested in the information about Alice Coates. Quoting your comment: "Mary was related to an Alice Langdale, because Mary's sons Samuel and Josiah were her executors after Alice, who was the executrix for Mary's estate, died during this process. She also had a brother named John, brother-in-law named in husband Samuel Coats will." Now, I know who the brother-in-law John Langdale was. He was the son of Josiah of Yorkshire, husband of Sarah Hudson, and father of eleven children listed in the Bible of his father-in-law. But, who was this Alice Langdale? The person who comes to my mind is Alice Coates Langdale, daughter of Mary Langdale Coates, and widow of her first cousin, John Langdale, Jr. If so, she was the young woman who was disowned by the Philadelphia MM for marrying John Langdale, Jr., contrary to discipline in 1765. She fits perfectly, it seems, but I don't have information about when she is supposed to have died, other than your comment. I would appreciate very much any comments you feel free to share on these matters. Also, for your information, I'm forwarding separately the e-mail I sent to Charlotte. Sincerely, John E. Lancaster 508 E. Moore St. Valdosta, GA 31602 912-242-1732 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

He must mean 1874 and 1884...don't you think...? <g>....Char ---- Begin Included Message ---- From: "Del Fox" <dfox_cfp@techie.com> Sent: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:47:37 -0400 To: charlotte.coats@coatsarchive.zzn.com Subject: Delson Coates    Do you have any information on Delson Coates DOD June 1974    Hudson , Mi    Married to Lulu Coates DOD 1984 Hudson, MI    Delson Coates is my Grandfather.    Thank you    Del Fox     ---- End Included Message ---- Get your Free E-mail at http://CoatsArchive.zzn.com ____________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com. Get your 100MB FREE Internet storage! Sign up now - www.netdrive.com/?O=ZZN4 Get your 100MB FREE Internet storage! Sign up now - www.netdrive.com/?O=ZZN4 ==== COATES Mailing List ==== ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

If the wife here is James and Mary's daughter and she was 32 in 1850 and born in OH, that would mean that James and Mary moved there at least by 1818 probably 1816 or 1817... Hmmmm, most interesting....Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Linda J. Dudick" <LDudick@Ancestrees.com> To: "* Charlotte" <coats@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [COATES-L] OH 1850 Census Records Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:29:45 -0400 The only James I come up here with close matches are the James who is the son of Thomas and Sarah Ann Coate of SC and the James who disappeared from SC after the murder. However, the last James would have been 61 instead..... Does anyone have a better match. At 07:10 PM 6/12/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I was running through the Clinton County OH 1850 census records >today...and found these: > >Chester Twp p. 298 >Daniel Leaseney - 33 years old born in OH - a blacksmith >M. Leaseney - age 32 - Born in OH >J. - 15 - female >M.J., Rainisbottone - 3 - female >James Coats - 66 - born in South Carolina >Mary Coats - 63 - born in South Carolina > >this was all one family group...I'm wondering if the M. Leaseney was the >daughter of James and Mary Coats of SC... > >This was the 1850 Census so at 66 James would have been born in 1784 and >Mary would have been born in 1787... > >Anyone got a Leaseney in their family tree... > >Char >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Also took some records from Hinshaw Vol VI, these are VA Quakers rather interesting: These are the only Coat(e)(s)entries in this volume.... p. 483 Coates - Fairfax MM, VA Ann rocf Baltimore MM, MD., dtd 8th of 1st mo. 1795; rem & clear, gct Baltimore MM, Md., 23-6-1803 Aquilla (Coats) rocf Gwynedd MM< Pa., 22-5-1802, dtd 1mo. 1799, endorsed by this mtg & forwarded to Hopewell MM, VA Mary, dt James, late of Phila., Pa., & w, Mary (Watson) Coates, also dec; m 8-10-1720 at Burlington Mtg, N.J., Edmund Sands, s of Stpehen Sands, of Bensalem, Pa., as his 1st w (char's note: doesn't this conflict with some of the other info we have in GA?) Ridgeway (Coats) rocf Mt. Holly MM, N.J., 26-8-1797, dtd 5mo. 1797 p. 378 - Hopewell MM, VA - (hmmm, they probably knew my McKay family out of Hopewell...amazing...) Coats - lots under this listing...starting in 1823 to 1836 1823, 5, 15. Aquila, Frederick Co., VA., s John & Hannah, the form dec, Chester Co., Pa.; m at Hopewell, Rachel Pidgeon, dt Isaac & Elizabeth, the latter dec, Frederick Co., VA b 25-2-1801 1802, 8, 2. Aquilla rocf Gwinnedde MM, dtd 1799, 1, 29 with endorsement by Fairfax MM 1809, 1, 2. Hannah rocf Radnor MM, dtd 1808, 10, 13 1809, 3, 6. Eliza, dt Hannah, recrq of mother 1811, 11, 7. Aquilla dis 1815, 5, 4. Eliza Cowgill (form Coates) rpd mcd; dis 1822, 8, 8. Aquila rst in mbrp by Clear Creek MM 1822, 9, 5. Aquila rocf Uwchland MM, dtd 1822, 7, 4 1824, 5, 6. Aquila & w, Rachel, & s, Isaac Lewis Coaes, gct Centre MM, O. 1832, 5, 2. Hannah dis identifying herself with the seperatists (O) 1836, 8, 4. Hannah gct Radnor MM, Pa p. 553 Roach - Fairfax MM, VA Richard m Hannah Sands b 28-8-1721 dt Edmond & Mary (Coates) Sands (Mary was 1st w) Ch: (of Richard and Hannah Roach: Mary m Owen Rogers; Tabitha; Hannah; Richard; James m Elizabeth Gregg; Edmund; Deborah; Sarah m Robert Whitacre; Micajah (char's note: it gives their birth dates as well but they would be the grandkids of Mary Coates dt of Mary Watson and James Coates, right?) p. 736 Coates - Alexandria MM, VA & D.C. Howard, Lower Oxford Twp., Chester Co., PA; prcf Little Brittain MM, Lancaster Co., Pa.; clear (s Hartt G. Coates & Eliza, his w, of same place) m 9-1-1872 "in a public mtg of Frds held at 11 a.m. at the house of Charles Sutton in Fairfax Co., VA", Alice M. Sutton (b 22-3-1847; rem with h, gct Little Brittain MM, Pa. 2-1-187?, dt Charles & Phebe Sutton of Fairfax Co., VA ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Found another or I think it is a John Coats who was a purchaser at a Pinson's estate sale in Lauren's County...dated 1803...seems to me Pinson is a name associated somewhere with Coats...anyway it looks like whoever wrote the record couldn't decide if it should be Coat, Coate or Coats...so it's kinda hard to figure out...but I'm pretty sure it's John Coat at least...this microfilm is pretty bad, the books must have been really tightly bound because the info runs into the center crease.... Will get is scanned an up as well.... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi Ray, (This may interest you as well Laura) We may have a match. I am of the Coates family. My GGG grandfather was Lewis Coates b. 1797 VA m. Parthena Hinds James Coats/Coates. b. August 06, 1829, Grainger Co., Tennesse. s/o Lewis Coates & Parthena Hinds. James married Artelly Frances Walker. It is a possibility that your Marshall born abt. 1816 was related. I have three Nancy Walker's directly related to Artelly Walker. Nancy Walker b. May 1825 d/o. Joseph Walker & Agnes Nancy Clark Nancy Walker b. abt. 1848 d/o Gideon Walker & Pollina Polley (son of Joseph) Nancy Ellen Walker b. Unknown d/o Harrison Walker & Catherine Roby (brother of Gideon, son of Joseph.) I am sure I don't have all of lewis and Parthena's children. You can view the history at: http://home.inreach.com/guppi/coates.html and let me know what you think. Thanks, Louise Kohl **You Wrote** From: Graysoldiers@aol.com Sent: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:15:38 EDT To: charlotte.coats@coatsarchive.zzn.com Subject: Coates line My wife descends from Henry Coate & his first wife, their son Henry who was married to a Hannah ? , they were in the Newberry Dist. of SC, and their son Marshall born abt. 1816 & died abt. 1863, �who married a Nancy Walker. Is this some of your same line? I am: Ray Brown aka Graysoldiers@aol.com

I am looking for descendants of Earnest Coates, he was born in Edmonson County Ky around 1902. His parents are Thomas and Phoebe.I am looking for anyone who might have a connection.

Say that John Coate that proved that Kinard codicil in 1854 should be on the SC 1850 census records...Char ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Well, got through the rest of those NC Rowan County deed records and there was nothing more there, not even a witness... The Laurens County SC will records show a John Coate witness to a will of Martin Kinnard...other witnesses Witfield Walker, Thos W. Thompson...John also proves the will...will dated 1849 proven 1854...well this is interesting the date of the will at the beginning and at the end don't match..at the end it says, Oct 16, 1852...oh, looks like this is a codicil hmmmm...guess I'll have to check the prior couple of pages...but this codicil was witnessed by John Coate... I also ordered some GA records the Jefferson County GA court minutes...the equity records for Newberry still haven't come in yet... Char ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com