hmmm, guess I'll get the Philly wills next...Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Linda J. Dudick" <LDudick@ancestrees.com> To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COATES-L] Re: PA Wills Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:44:57 -0400 On the PA Wills that are up at www.ancestry.com at the moment, there is a most interesting will. Many of you know that there has never been any evidence of a William Coate married to a Rachel (Ann Budd)... and I don't know if this is the match, but it's the first time I've seen a William and Rachel married. It's from the Philadelphia wills dated 1669, so it could be them from the place and date. It is the will for Rachel, widow of William Coats of North Liberties, Philadelphia, written on Oct 6, 176?, and probated on May 14, 1773. It named grandchildren Theobold Ent., Rachel Sahler, Joseph Hope, Sarah Miller, Son in law and executor Abraham Sahler. It is from Will book P, p. 408. Just an interesting note that might possibly work out to be William and the elusive Rachel Ann Budd Coate. Thanks Charlotte for finding these wills! ==== COATES Mailing List ==== ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

This is another tidbit I'd picked up earlier from a Philadelphia Magazine that shows a connection between a Coate and Budd, though we don't know which. It is in the Feb 14, 1765 Pennsylvania Gazetter, item #35164 that states: "All those indebted to the Partnership of Budd and Coats, are forthwith requested to pay the same, by the first Day of March next, otherwise they may depend upon being proceeded against as the law directs, without further Notice. N.B. The said Coates has still a few Lots to Lett on Groundrent for ever, situated on the Upper End of Second street, in the Northern Liberties. Any Person inclining to take any of said Lots, may see the Plan, and know the Terms, by appying to the Subscriber, William Coats." Now, this does just happen to be in the same place and time period where a William and Rachel Coate lived..... To bad we don't know the exact date Rachel wrote her will. Finding William's administration and then seeing which document she is listed as his widow in, would be important in figuring out if the two could be related. However, the plot does thicken. Hope you are enjoying this like I am.

On the PA Wills that are up at www.ancestry.com at the moment, there is a most interesting will. Many of you know that there has never been any evidence of a William Coate married to a Rachel (Ann Budd)... and I don't know if this is the match, but it's the first time I've seen a William and Rachel married. It's from the Philadelphia wills dated 1669, so it could be them from the place and date. It is the will for Rachel, widow of William Coats of North Liberties, Philadelphia, written on Oct 6, 176?, and probated on May 14, 1773. It named grandchildren Theobold Ent., Rachel Sahler, Joseph Hope, Sarah Miller, Son in law and executor Abraham Sahler. It is from Will book P, p. 408. Just an interesting note that might possibly work out to be William and the elusive Rachel Ann Budd Coate. Thanks Charlotte for finding these wills!

Sandra, This is Robbie you wrote me off list about the Christopher's. Sorry I couldn't find you e-mail. I am the one that sent you the list of Christopher's from La. I have gone over my list and I believe your Christopher is Christopher T. Coates. His father is Woodrow Huey Coates b. June 22,1813 S. C. m. Artemise Ballow April 14,1847 Ouachita Parish,La. Woodrow died July 29,1883. His father was William Coates b. 1789 Richland Co., S. C. married Jane Huey William Died in Caldwell parish , La. I have all their Children 's names too. They lived next to my Coates in Caldwell Parish and moved to Ouachita Parish about the same time as my Coates; I know they are related I have not tied them yet. ( I believe William to be a cousin or brother to Austin Marion Coates.) They are intertwined with Austin Coates wives family the Coons and show up in Wilkinson Co, Ms. Woodrow shows up as an under tutor to Margaret Coon (Kuhn) Coates ; brothers children in his will. This was posted in the Woodville News paper. I believe in book one. In the Encyclopedia of Caldwell Parish, La Austin Coates and William's are listed together as one family. Austin and William Coates were both born in Richland County, S.C. Robbie

Hello, I am new to this list and thought that I would post my interest. I am searching for an Edward Coates who was born around 1917. He was a Sgt in the RASC and fought in WWII in England. I believe that he was either American or Canadian. If anyone has any information at all on this person I would be truly grateful. Belinda ARTHUR ROBINSON & HEDDERWICKS This email and any attachments are intended solely for the named addressee. They are confidential and may be subject to legal or other professional privilege. This email and any attachments are also subject to copyright. They may be copied or distributed by the addressee only with the consent of the copyright owner. Otherwise, no part of them may be copied, adapted, transmitted or distributed without the written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received this email in error, please let us know by reply email or phone and delete all copies from your computer system. It is the recipient's responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses. Any confidentiality, privilege, or copyright is not waived or lost because this email has been sent to you by mistake.

FYI...Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "RUTH FITCHETT" <RFITCHE1@email.msn.com> To: <coats@hotmail.com> Subject: re: Gabe Coats/Coates Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:47:34 -0400 Congratulations on finding Gabe in SC records. Have you found any clues as to his parents & siblings. I am the g/granddaughter of Edward H. & Sarah Fisher Coates of Madison Co., NC. Your info was forwarded to me by Linda Zikewich. I wondered if you have come across the Thomas (1) Joseph (2) Sion (3) Coates lineage in Kershaw Co. According to sources on the Familytreemaker, Sion was married to (1) Mary Perry (2) Sarah Perry. Gabriel & Mary Coats were the offsprings of the 2nd marriage. I am not sure this info is documented or where it is leading us and I would like your opinion. Kindly reply to: Ruth Fitchett Asheville, NC E-mail Rfitche1@email.msn.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

FYI....Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: meyerma@webtv.net (Mary Meyer) Subject: PAIN TO THE BEAR Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:05:28 -0500 (CDT) Thanks, Floyd. Is your John Lawson b 1787 NC a descendent of the author Lawson who wrote HISTORY OF NORTH CAROLINA? In his HISTORY OF NC BAPTISTS, George W. Paschal quotes the 1860 reprint of Lawson's work. I thought you would enjoy reading a couple of these quotes: Paschal p. 49: "And by agents and pamphlets this attraction of Carolina as a land of religious freedom was kept before the people of England. As late as 1709 Lawson mentions it in his HISTORY OF NORTH CAROLINA, many parts of which seem designed to advertise the advantages of the Province." [Paschal's next paragraph is also interesting (p. 50)]: "Without doubt the Proprietors were led to make this parade of Carolina aa a land of religious freedom because of the merciless persecutions of Dissenters both in England and in New England and Viringia from the early years of the Restoration. This persecutuion was partly without sanction of law, and was the result of the reaction that came to the sore restrictions which the Puritans in their few years of power, which ended with the Restoration in 1660, had put upon pleasures and sports of the English people. For the Puritans had hewn down maypoles, dismantled theatres, forbidden rope-dancing, puppet-shows, horse-racing, and bear-baiting, then a very popular sport, but which the 'Puritan hated, not because it gave pain to the bear, but because it gave pleasure to the spectators.' (Macaulay.)"] [Paschal pp. 51-52: "Among all the victims of the enforement of these laws the members of no other sect, except the Quakers, suffered more severely than the Baptists. The pages of Crosby's second volume of the HISTORY OF THE ENGLISH BAPTISTS are made up of almost nothing else than accounts of the mob violence and legal persecutions to which Baptists, both ministers and laymen, were subjected at this period. Not only John Bunyan, the author of PILGRIM'S PROGRESS, for twelve years, 'languished in a dungeon for the crime of preaching the gospel to the poor,' (Macaulay), but imprisonment for trhe same offense was the lot of Hanserd Knollys, Vavasor Powel, Mr. Jessey, John Greiffith, Thomas Granthem, and John James, nearly every one of them men of culture and educated at a University, and many other Baptist ministers of lesser fame. Nor did laymen escape...."] [Paschal pp. 63-64: "But evidence is not wanting that in England some of the Dissenters were induced to migrate to Carolina. In the year 1708, was published a HISTORY OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE IN AMERICA. A portion of this work was the HISTORY OF CAROLINA by J. Oldmixon, a reprint of which is found in the second volume of the HISTORICAL COLLECTIONS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, from which I copy the following paragraph: 'The Proprietaries, after they had got their charter, gave due encouragement for persons to settle in this Province, and there being express provision made in it for a toleration, and indulgence to all Christians in the free exercise of their religion, great numbers of Protestants, dissenters from the Chruch of England, retired thither.' The words here quoted refer to the whole privince, North as well as South Carolina, while Mr. Oldmixon makes other statements, which are to be applied to the southern colony alone, telling of the great number of Dissenters who left England at this time in search of religious freedom." (Footnote #23 Paschal p. 64: "Weeks is evidently wrong in his statement that the suppostiion that the early settlers of North Carolina were Dissenters began with the historian Williamson. Oldmixon was a hundred years earlier, and almost a contemporary of the first settlers.")] [Paschal p. 65: "We must, however, beware of supposing that any of the Dissenters, with the exception of the Quakers of whom I shall speak later, were organized into churches, in the period before 1700. The early settlers of North Carolina had not been led hither by ministers of their churches, nor had any ministers followed them and gathered them into churches; they had come as individuals and settled in whatever place they chose. As Chalmers remarks they may have been 'equally destitute of relgiion and clergy.'"] Now (finally) back to Lawson, preceded by Paschal's lead-in: "The colonists never seemed to regard violation of the navigation laws as morally wrong; they rather considered tham an impertinence designed to rob them of the fruits of their labor, as in point of fact they were. But the trade with smugglers was a tremendous economic disadvantage to the planters. The sailors made rates of exchange in the barter which were ruinous to them. The planters needed merchants who could have effected a fair exhange of commodities for them, but importing merchants they had none, and few of any kind. The profound effect of this isotation and unfavorable trade relations is well indicated in these words of Lawson (pp. 146f from 1860 reprint): 'Great plenty is generally the ruin of Industry. Thus our merchants are not many, nor have these few appleid themselves to the European trade. The planter sits contented at home, whilst his oxen thrive and grow fat, and his stocks daily increase; the fatted porklets and poultry [HELLO, CLARENCE!] are easily raised to his table, and his orchard affords him liquor, so that he eats and drinks away the cares of the world, and desires no greater happiness than what he daily enjoys.'" [Paschal p. 80: "We are more interested to know what was the kind of life on the plantations, at this time just on the eve of the rise of Baptist churches in the Province. Several influences were preserving the people from moral degeneration. One was the isolation of the estates in which the moral influence of the fmaily was unhindered. Another was the large and increasing tide of immigrants who did not lose on coming the moral and religious habits which they ahd learned before coming. With the population increasing from 5,000 in 1700 to 10,000 in 1715 and 30,000 in 1730, the new immigrants must have been the predominating influence in the Province....the Quakers [HELLO, * CHARLOTTE!] were exerting all along a wholesome influence. One whishes as much coudl be said for the ministers of the Church of England. As it was, the lack of religious instruction had begun to show in the character of the people.] Mary Alice in TX aka Mary Abernathy Meyer ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Parish of Coates in England: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/CensusRecords/CGLSarea/coate This is the 1871 census I believe...didn't see any Coates living there though... Char ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

This is a wild guess, but it might give you some help. The name Christopher Coats was extremely unusual except for the branch of Coats that were in Stonington, CT in the early 1700's. I have a Christopher Coats b. in 1720 in Stonington, CT. Now, there was a shipping industry that went from LA to CT to England to Barbados I believe, but definitely between CT and LA.... At that early date they could have and very likely would have traveled by ship to come to LA. It's worth a try. The person who has the 1720 Christopher in their line is Connie Faulke at connief@netins.net . That Stonington Ct. family goes back to immigrant ancestor Robert Coats from West Riding, England who settled in Essex Co., Massachusetts in the 1600's. There is a whole book on him and his descendants at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City called "Robert Coates of Lynn, Mass. and some of his Descendants" by Evelyn Coates Aherin. If it's not available on microfilm from a branch library, I think they will make copies of their books for 20 cents a page. There also might be a copy up on Charlotte's page and I have at least parts of it around here too. Hope this turns out to be a lead for you. At 05:25 PM 6/19/2000 -0700, you wrote: >FYI...Char > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Richard Wheat <rlwheat@earthlink.net> >To: coats@lawyer4u.com >Subject: Coates Family in Louisiana >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:02:16 -0500 > >Hello, >I'm searching for information on a Christopher Coates, born ca 1800, >died about 1837, either in Catahoula or Caldwell Parish LA, married Mary >Humble. They had a daughter, Mary Jane born in 1830. After Christopher >Coates died, his widow married a John Bannister Jr, therefore Mary Jane >Coates is sometimes shown as Jane Bannister. She married John Overton >Grayson. Any help available?? > >Thanks. >Dorothy > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== > >

FYI...Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: Richard Wheat <rlwheat@earthlink.net> To: coats@lawyer4u.com Subject: Coates Family in Louisiana Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:02:16 -0500 Hello, I'm searching for information on a Christopher Coates, born ca 1800, died about 1837, either in Catahoula or Caldwell Parish LA, married Mary Humble. They had a daughter, Mary Jane born in 1830. After Christopher Coates died, his widow married a John Bannister Jr, therefore Mary Jane Coates is sometimes shown as Jane Bannister. She married John Overton Grayson. Any help available?? Thanks. Dorothy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Description Given Name Surname Residence Title Book Page Date Prove Date Sister Mary Coats Albertson L:154 8 8 1758 14 9 1758 Remarks: Thomas Coats. City of Philadelphia. Brickmaker. Aug. 8 1758. Sept. 14, 1758. L.154. Wife: Mercey. Father: Thomas. Brother: John. Children: George and Thomas. Sisters: Martha Shead (Shield) and children, Mary Albertson and children, Sarah. Exec: Thomas Say. Daughter Mary Coats Albertson P:252 25 3 1769 1 5 1772 Remarks: Thomas Coats. City of Phila. Yeoman. 25 March 1769. 1 May 1772. Wife: Ann. Children: John, Mary Albertson. Grandchildren: children fo son Thomas and daughter Martha, decd. Execs.: Ann Coats, Seymour Hart. P:252. Son John Coats Browne 3:318 13 4 1799 31 12 1810 Remarks: Browne, Peter. Northern Liberties. Phila. BlackSmith. April 13, 1799. Dec 31, 1810. 3.318. To sons John Coats Browne and William Johnson Browne and daughter Sarah Browne. All residue of estate to his wife Sarah Browne. Exec. and guardian of minor children William and Sarah, said Wife Sarah and his son John Coats Browne, exec. Money advanced for good will of lease purchased of execs. of Robert Magie's estate &c. execs: said wife Sarah and his son John Coats Browne. Codicil March 17, 1804. Directs that no rent shall be charged to son John Coats Browne for use of his estate in Kensington and that his son William J. Browne and his friends Abraham M. Garrigues be execs. instead of Joseph Cowperthwait and John W. Vancleve, whose names he has erased out of above Testament. William McFaden of Phila., merchant and John Welsh of said City, merchant, affirmed. Letters granted to William J. Browne and John Coats Browne. Executor John Coats Browne 3:318 13 4 1799 31 12 1810 Remarks: Browne, Peter. Northern Liberties. Phila. BlackSmith. April 13, 1799. Dec 31, 1810. 3.318. To sons John Coats Browne and William Johnson Browne and daughter Sarah Browne. All residue of estate to his wife Sarah Browne. Exec. and guardian of minor children William and Sarah, said Wife Sarah and his son John Coats Browne, exec. Money advanced for good will of lease purchased of execs. of Robert Magie's estate &c. execs: said wife Sarah and his son John Coats Browne. Codicil March 17, 1804. Directs that no rent shall be charged to son John Coats Browne for use of his estate in Kensington and that his son William J. Browne and his friends Abraham M. Garrigues be execs. instead of Joseph Cowperthwait and John W. Vancleve, whose names he has erased out of above Testament. William McFaden of Phila., merchant and John Welsh of said City, merchant, affirmed. Letters granted to William J. Browne and John Coats Browne. Administrator John Coats Browne 3:318 13 4 1799 31 12 1810 Remarks: Browne, Peter. Northern Liberties. Phila. BlackSmith. April 13, 1799. Dec 31, 1810. 3.318. To sons John Coats Browne and William Johnson Browne and daughter Sarah Browne. All residue of estate to his wife Sarah Browne. Exec. and guardian of minor children William and Sarah, said Wife Sarah and his son John Coats Browne, exec. Money advanced for good will of lease purchased of execs. of Robert Magie's estate &c. execs: said wife Sarah and his son John Coats Browne. Codicil March 17, 1804. Directs that no rent shall be charged to son John Coats Browne for use of his estate in Kensington and that his son William J. Browne and his friends Abraham M. Garrigues be execs. instead of Joseph Cowperthwait and John W. Vancleve, whose names he has erased out of above Testament. William McFaden of Phila., merchant and John Welsh of said City, merchant, affirmed. Letters granted to William J. Browne and John Coats Browne. Granddaughter Sarah Coats Burge O:134 1 10 1765 6 7 1767 Remarks: Benjamin Shoemaker. Phila. Merchant. 1 Oct 1765. 6 July 1767. Wife: Elizabeth. Children: Sarah Pennington, Beulah Burge, Hannah, Samuel, Anthony, Joseph, William, Charles, James, Mary, Phebe and Elizabeth. Grandchildren: Benjamin and Sarah, children of Samuel, Ben. Pennington, Sarah Coats Burge. Brothers in law: Samuel and Joseph Morris. Execs.: Sarah Pennington, Beulah Burge, Hannah Shoemaker and grandson Benjamin. O:134. Brother: Joseph. Nieces: Elizabeth Coats Paschall Sarah Paschall. Remarks: Exec: Joseph and Elizabeth Coats Paschall Samuel Coats." Remarks: Witness Isaac Coats P:369 20 1 1773 5 5 1773 Remarks: Thomas Tustin. City of Phila. Bricklayer. 20 Jan 1773. 5 May 1773. Wife: Rachel. Mother: Ann Tustin. Brother: Samuel. Sister: Ruth Lloyd. Nephew and nieces: Thomas, Mary and Ann Lloyd. Cousins: Isaac, Samuel and William Tustin. Richard Mason, Sarah Brown, Elizabeth Holmes. Friends: Ebenezer Smith, Street Maskill, Rachel Collins. Execs.: Rachel Tustin, Joseph Sims, Buckridge Sims. Codicil. 20 Feb 1773. Wife: Rachel. Brother: Samuel. Witnesses to Codicil: Isaac Coats, Peter Thomson. P:369. Sister Ruth Hughes Coats P:489 17 11 1773 1 12 1773 Remarks: John Hughes. Lower Merion. Phila. Co. 17 Nov 1773. 1 Dec 1773. Mother: Sarah. Children: Martha, Rebecca. Sisters: Ruth Coats, Catherine Pritner. Sister in law: Hannah Hollingsworth. Brothers: Isaac, Hugh. Father in law: Stephen Paschal. Housekeeper: Margaret Palmer. Nephew: John Hughes. Execs.: Sarah Hughes, Stephen Paschal. P:489. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

>From Louise....Char ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Louise Kohl" <guppi@inreach.com> Reply-To: guppi@inreach.com To: coats@hotmail.com Subject: Indiana State Library Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:08:32 -0700 Indiana State Library Genealogy Division http://www.statelib.lib.in.us/ "C - D" Indiana Marriages Through 1850 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Displaying matches 1 through 55. Coats mary Ann Shelly Lewis Henry 3/24/1841 Coats Abner Wilson Cealy Posey 12/25/1827 Coats Alanson G Trusel Sarah Jane Dekalb 1/19/1857 Coats Alphreda Crook George Pulaski 3/4/1849 Coats Amanda A Earl Samuel J Lawrence 6/7/1850 Coats Andrew Wright Mary Putnam 8/20/1829 lic Coats Ann Butler Dunn Posey 11/21/1833 Coats Benjamin Darby Lusinda Posey 11/11/1823 Coats charlotte Hiatt Richard Randolph 11/20/1928 Coats Dan Allen Mary Dekalb 1/18/1838 Coats Daniel Jackson Mary Ann Clark 3/13/1834 Coats David Crowder Mary Harrison 2/5/1829 Coats Delilah Wood Isaac E Shelby 2/22/1844 Coats Elizabeth Rose John W Dekalb 8/8/1838 Coats Elizabeth Crooke Jesse Harrison 8/2/1827 Coats Elizabeth Swinn Charles Warrick 1/11/1848 Coats Esther Simeon Thomas Grant 6/24/1840 Quaker (3-114) Back Creek MM Coats Esther Harrison John Marion 3/27/1823 Coats Gabriel Davis Matilda Randolph 1/1/1949 Coats Hannah Sullivan Patrick White 9/11/1836 Coats Hepsey Wright John Prior Bartholomew 3/22/1822 Coats Hester McCool James H Cass 5/11/1843 lic Coats James Cox Jane Randolph 12/20/1938 Coats John Cooper Sally Tipton 1/1/1845 Bk1 p28 Coats Joseph Winn Catharine Dearborn 11/5/1944 Coats Joseph White Serena Fountain 12/24/1829 Coats Joseph Hoops Esther Randolph 4/3/1945 Coats Lorinda Miller Elias Owen 9/8/1850 Coats Lucy Hain Israel Lake 6/21/1849 Coats Lydia Watson John C Floyd 1/22/1835 Coats mary Leseny Daniel Randolph 3/28/1936 Coats Mary Ann Small Archibald Hamilton 4/9/1840 James A Lackey JP Coats Mary R Downer John D Tippecanoe 11/8/1845 Coats Noyce Culp Rebecca Dekalb 1/11/1848 Coats Polly Hickman Francis Randolph 1/1/1937 Coats Rebeckah McCrarey Joel G Pike 12/15/1843 Coats Rhoda Beard Miron Howard 9/21/1848 Coats Ruby Harmon Erastus Jackson 1/16/1821 lic Coats Sampson Evans Sally Greene 10/4/1848 Coats Samuel Pennington Elizabeth Harrison 6-31-1828 Coats Steward (Unknown) (Unknown) Jackson 9/7/1836 Coats Steward Harris Hannah Owen 4/21/1849 Coats Stuart Perry Emily Jackson 2/9/1832 Coats Susan Crowder Alfred Harrison 2/19/1828 Coats William Fifer Mahala Hamilton 1/30/1842 [Att: Arch Small] Thomas Cooper JP Coats William Kimbley Eleanor Lawrence 10/21/1825 Coats William Kepperling Catherine White 6/29/1845 Coats William H Weakley Eliza Shelby 10/3/1844 Coats Stewart (Unknown) (Unknown) Jackson 9/7/1836 Brides name blank in THG lic Coats Sturat Perry Emily Jackson 2/10/1832 Coats Sylvester Herrick Caroline Matilda Dekalb 11/18/1843 Coats Thomas W Hiatte Mary Randolph 6/19/1942 Coats Thomas W Hiatte Sarah Randolph 3/7/1929 Coats William McCoy Clarissa Marion 8/29/1832 Coats William Moffitt Mary Randolph 9/10/1937 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Displaying matches 1 through 9. Coates Harriet Kelley Woodruff Jackson 9/28/1831 Coates Harriet Waggoner Alexander Lawrence 7/30/1837 Coates Margery White Milton Wayne 4/9/1835 Coates Mary Girdley ? James Lawrence 4/23/1837 Coates Mary Ann Griffin James D Floyd 3/14/1938 Coates Nancy Anderson Shirley Floyd 1/6/1939 Coates Polly Cavett Andrew Posey 8/1/1816 Coates William Kearns Elizabeth Warren 12/24/1849 Coates Sinefret Merritt George ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Here's the Hinshaw OH Quaker records...there is still another volumn as well... http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/ohio.htm Char ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

I found your NJ docs very helpful. Put a couple families together that I hadn't connected before thanks to them. The original Quaker marriages that list the witnesses are extremely valuable as the order shows you who the parents and closest relatives are. That's almost always lost when transcribed. The far left column, top is the bride and groom in the witness lists and right underneath them is their closest family starting with their living parents. The sigs are actual sigs too so good for a graphic of the older generation. If you come across more of those, do save them.

I've added that 1752 map of SC to the SC Maps pages in the Coats Archive and it appears from this map in the SCGW that the counties in which that Fredericksburgh would be is Fairfield or Richland...so we might be looking for William Coate, the early one in the wrong county...most have thought Camden.... http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/sc/sca_maps.html ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Source: Pope p. 117 fn Carter G. Woodson, Free Negro Heads of Families in the United States in 1830, Washington D.C. 1925, p. 158, lists those in Newberry District, with sex and number in household as Bethan Stapleton (f) 4, Charles Brown (m) 6, Nancy Felker (f) 2, Rhoda Penn (f) 2, Simon Stuckman (m) 1, Moses Heller (m) 3, Jesse Glauster (m) 5, Rose Brid (f) 7, Abrahma Linkester (m) 1, Mary Sanders (f) 7, Charity Sanders (f) 4, Polly Bird (f) 7, Betsy Grear (f) 6, Moses Williams (m) 2, John Wadsworth (m) 5, Jane Thompson (f) 5, Nancy Coberl (f) 3, Curys Williams (m) 2, Michale Wadsworth (m) 2, Nancy Penn (f) 3, Elvira Christy (f) 3, Jesse Coat (m) 1, James Wilson (m) 7, Hannah Grear (f) 5, Frances Jackson (f) 6, Aagnes Valentine (f) 2, Elizabeth Bugg (f) 1, William Bugg (m) 5, Lucy Dennis (f) 5, James Wadsworth (m) 5, Allen Turner (m) 5, Hannah Bugg (f) 5, Robert Wells (m) 4, James Valentine (m) 5, Martha Leonard (f) 5, and Samuel Bugg (m) 4, Reuben Vallentine, aged two years and four months, was bound to James Wadsworth until his twenty-first year, to live with the latter's family and to receive training in the "art, mystery and profession of a blacksmith and all that belongeth thereto." Document in Miscellaneous Files, State Archives. This is an example of a free Negro being apprenticed to another of the same class in order to learn a trade. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

source: Pope p. 83 The Quakers One of the principal centers of Quakerism in South Carolina was in Newberry County. The first Quakers to settle in the valley of Bush River were William Coate, Samuel Kelly, John Furnas, David Jenkins, Benjamin and William Pearson, and Robert Evans. Of these, Furnas was the pre-Revolutionary justice of the peace who was removed on complaint of the Regulators in 1765. Kelly was granted the franchise to operate the Saluda ferry in 1768 after moving from Camden to Newberry County in 1762 and establishing a store at Springfield just a mile west of the present town of Newberry. William Coate was living on Bush River before 1762. (char's note: the Quaker records don't show William Coate as a member of Bush River MM - we have a plat which we believe might be his dated 1766 - and in the early 1800s at least two or three pieces of this plat were surveyed for other people - seems to me one of the names also associated with this land was Bulow - also Abernathy and one other that I don't recall off hand) Bush River Monthly Meeting was approved by Western Quarterly Meeting after a committee of visited Friends at Bush River Meeting in 1770. Bush River was one of thirty-three monthly meetings belonging to the North Carolina Yearly Meeting of Friends. Subordinate congregations or meetings reporting to Bush River Monthly Meeting were Bush River, Raburn's Creek, Tyger River, Padet's Creek, Mud Lick, Allwoods', White Lick, Edisto, Charleston, and Rocky Springs. The Friends kept meticulous records of births, marriages, and deaths. Bush River Monthly Meeting records extant consist of one volume of birth and death records, two volumes of marriage records, four volumes of men's minutes and one volume of women's minutes. Quakers were disowned if they married out of unity (married outside the Society of Friends) or if they owned slaves or went to war. Their dress was simple and distinctive. The Friends shunned ostentation, feared God, and exerted a wonderful influence on the work-habits and morals of the community. Judge O'Neall, whose parents were Quakers and who himself was born a Quaker, recounts in nostalgic and affectionate terms the last meeting held in the old meetinghouse which stood near Bush River on the road leading from Newberry to Mendenhall's (later Langford's) mill. Bush River Monthly Meeting flourished from its establishment in 1772 until 1802. Out of a desire to live in a country where slavery did not exist, more than 100 members moved from the valley of Bush River to the vicinity of Miami, Ohio, between 1802 and 1807. An itinerant Quaker minister, the Reverend Zachary Dicks, preached such dire results from slavery soon after the Santo Domingo riot that the Quakers were determined to cast their lot in free country. They sold or abandoned many of their belongings and made the long overland trip from Newberry to Ohio. The remaining members continued to worship on the bank of Bush River until 1822 when the monthly meeting was "laid down." The trustees, James Brooks, Samuel Brown, Isaac Kirk, and John O'Neall, were advised to sell or lease Bush River meetinghouse and lot, Rocky Spring meetinghouse and lot, and a meetinghouse lot at Camden. The loss of the Quakers was a severe blow to Newberry County. The moral influence of the Friends was missed, as were the frugal and tidy farmer and artisans who comprised the Society. Judge O'Neall states that, until the departure of the Quakers, Newberry sent flour, beeswax, furs, tobacco, butter, cattle, and screw-augurs to market in Charleston. Later only cotton was exported from this county; it of course was grown by lave labor. Thus the economy of this county was directly affected by the removal of the Quakers. Today only the old Quaker burying-ground remains. There hundreds of these gentle people lie, as they once lived - in peace. Through the generosity of Senator Jesse Frank Hawkins, the Hartford Grange erected a suitable historical marker at the site of old Bush River Monthly Meeting in 1867. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

source: Pope p. 79 Lutherans con't Despite the fact that the exact date of the establishment of St. John's cannot be proved, it is generally regarded as the oldest congregation in Newberry County. At the time that Judge O'Neall wrote the Annals (1859), and when Chapman brought out the second edition with his Part Two included (1892), St. John's lay beyond the county line. Hence neither mentioned St. John's. Today St. John's occupies a new brick church with a Sunday school annex. Across the highway is the beautiful, simple wooden building erected in 1808 and known as the White Church, complete with gallery, hand-carved pulpit and the original sounding board. The well-kept graveyard adjoins the old church lot. Tradition says that St. Paul's was founded in 1761 on land granted to the Reverend Joachim Bulow. However a release, dated June 24, 1774, from Joachim Bulow of the District of Ninety Six, Minister, to Bernard Mantz, George Eigleberger, and George Hertel, Elders of the Congregation of the dissenting Church of St. Paul is recorded in Deed Book B at page 107, Newberry County Clerk's Office. the contract granted to Joachim Bulow on June 23, 1774. The tract is described as being on the waters of Crim's Creek and bounded southeast by Tobias Lagrone, northeast by Andrew Thomas, northwest by Michael Kibler, and southwest by Jacob Durr and William Houseal. The Reverend Frederick Joseph Wallern was the second pastor of St. Paul's, serving from 1787 to 1818. In 1814 a congregation from Newberry District was received in connection with the North Carolina Synod; its elders were Michael and Peter Rickard, Andrew Weecker, and Martin Kinard, and it is thought that this was St. Paul's. In 1830, st. Paul's Church was dedicated by the Reverend Messrs. Rauch and Schwartz. This was during the revival of interest in religion, and since that time St. Paul's has been a fine, strong church. It now occupies its fourth building, one of granite which was opened on March 19, 1938. The third Lutheran church established in the county during the eighteenth century is Bethlehem, located a few miles north of Pomaria. The congregation first met about 1784 at Wicker's Camp Ground and erected a small log hut for a meetinghouse. The church was incorporated in 1788 and then moved to its present site in 1816 under the pastorate of the Reverend Godfrey Dreher. end of Lutheran section.... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

source: Pope p. 78 The Lutherans The early settlers of the Dutch Fork, the area drained by Crim's, Cannon's and Second creeks, were Swiss and German. The former were of the Reformed persuasion, while the latter were Lutheran. The first congregation in this section consisted of Swiss Reformed and German Lutheran settlers; the first two ministers, the Reverend Christian Theus and the Reverend John Gasser, were Swiss Reformed. The records of eighteenth-century Lutheran churches in Newberry County are nonexistent, and hence it is almost impossible to state with certainty the actual year of the stablishment of the two oldest Lutheran churches in the present Newberry County - St. John's and St. Paul's. Both are on Crim's Creek, St. John's on the south side and St. Paul's on the north. Tradition is that St. John's was established in 1754, when Gasser received a grant to fifty acres on Crim's Creek. When John Pearson, the deputy surveyor and leading man of the Broad River valley during the pre-Revolutionary period, made his plat on June 27, 1763, he showed the adjoining property owners and the various roads and paths and a meetinghouse. In the margin of his plat he recited that pursuant to a precept dated March 1, 1763, he had laid out a tract of 100 acres on a branch of Crim's Creek between Broad and Saluda rivers to John Adam Epting and Peter Dickert, elders of the Dissenting Congregation on Crim's Creek. The adjoining landowners at that time were Melchior Lyner, the Reverend John Gasser, Henry Hertley, and John Sweetenbergh. The roads and paths crossing the 100 acre tract were stated to lead to the Widow Hollmans, to John Gartman, to Condromans, to Captain Hans Adam (Epting's?), to Countz, to Summers, and to Sweetenbergh. This tract then was in the center of a settlement and accessible from all directions. It was given "in trust for a glebe and building a meeting house to the minister of the said congregation for the time being." In 1787, fifteen Lutheran churches outside Charleston were incorporated as the Corpus Evangelicum by the state general assembly. The claim is often made that St. John's was included under the title of the "German Calvinistic Church of St. John's"' the fact is that the full name of this church was the "German Calvinistic Church of St. John's on the Fourhole" and does not refer to the St. John's Church now in Newberry County. continued.... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com