But the deed doesn't say Little John and it is also possible that there were two Johns in SC with a wife by the same first name...we've seen that with other as well... Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda J. Dudick Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 5:32 AM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COATES-L] Henry and "Little" John's land Henry Coate purchased 200 acres from John Brooks on July 29, 1765. It was on Scotts Creek with no adjacent families. John Brooks had purchased it on Aug 26,1757. It consisted of some buildings and pasture lands. Then, (Little) John Coate and his wife Susannah sell to Peter Buffington 200 acres on Nov. 14, 1792. The land was on Scotts Creek, and was originally purchased by John Brooks on Sep. 19, 1758 (when transaction was completed). The filing of the deeds supports the fact that they were father and son, and that the parcel of land was the same parcel. Henry's purchase of 1765 was not filed until 1792 (years after Henry's death) and is filed directly before John and wife Susannah sell the same property to Peter Buffington. ==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

In "The Annals of Newberry" it states he was a "very skillful mechanic, capable of executing almost anything, as a blacksmith, or as a silversmith. He left many children, two of whom, Henry Coate (Deputy of Sheriff John Speake) and Marmaduke (called Duke) Coate, lived at different times in the village, and had much to do with its prosperity."

Henry Coate purchased 200 acres from John Brooks on July 29, 1765. It was on Scotts Creek with no adjacent families. John Brooks had purchased it on Aug 26,1757. It consisted of some buildings and pasture lands. Then, (Little) John Coate and his wife Susannah sell to Peter Buffington 200 acres on Nov. 14, 1792. The land was on Scotts Creek, and was originally purchased by John Brooks on Sep. 19, 1758 (when transaction was completed). The filing of the deeds supports the fact that they were father and son, and that the parcel of land was the same parcel. Henry's purchase of 1765 was not filed until 1792 (years after Henry's death) and is filed directly before John and wife Susannah sell the same property to Peter Buffington.

>The first Annals I think were written in 1856 when Judge Belton Oneal was >in his 50's. He must have been taking his history from the old timers >around and the written records for Newberry. His work is considered >authoritative and hasn't had error that I've seen when compared to the >records.... That's an unusual thing to say. >At 08:07 AM 12/31/2000 -0800, you wrote: >>But we don't have any records showing that Capt Henry Coate had a wife >>named Mary...so it's just conjecture at this point that the Henry's are >>the same person...plus...why would the records refer to Little John, very >>clearly, but then in other not refer to him as little john... >> >>When were the Annals of Newberry Written...? >> >>Char >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Linda J. Dudick >>Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 4:58 AM >>To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [COATES-L] Annals of Newberry >> >>I just found my copy of the Annals of Newberry, and that's the source we've >>all taken it from that Little John is the father of Marmaduke (called Duke) >>the surveyor (p. 148) "Marmaduke Coate, the youngest son of John Coate, >>(little) lived in Newberry from 1812 to 1828. He was a surveryor of much >>experience." (Annals of Newberry) Which equity court record lists the >>brother to Marmaduke as Capt. Henry Coate? If it really lists them both >>that way, then we do have the family mapped out correctly to the best >>evidence available. Little John is the father of Marmaduke the surveyor >>and Capt. Henry. That and the land records of the Henry living next to >>Little John, that Capt. Henry had a wife named Mary before the other 2 >>wives..... something I previously conjectured on, on my homepage..... >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, I noticed when reading it this time, it keeps referring to the >>"Annals" said and occasionally it makes a correction on the Annals... Is >>there more than one version of this? I'm answering my own question as I >>read. I think the original was by Judge Oneal in 1856, then a 2nd one in >>1892 reviewing and adding to the material in the original by Oneal and >>Chapman.... >> >> >> >> >> >>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---------- >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >><http://explorer.msn.com>http://explorer.msn.com

Sorry... I keep replying and forgetting to send these to the group... >Actually, most of the records about Little John don't use the "Little" >when referring to him.... but he's the only John in the area with the >wife's name of Susannah -- and that helps us identify him. There could be >other records that apply to him, but we can't tell any distiguishing marks. >At 08:07 AM 12/31/2000 -0800, you wrote: >>But we don't have any records showing that Capt Henry Coate had a wife >>named Mary...so it's just conjecture at this point that the Henry's are >>the same person...plus...why would the records refer to Little John, very >>clearly, but then in other not refer to him as little john... >> >>When were the Annals of Newberry Written...? >> >>Char >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Linda J. Dudick >>Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 4:58 AM >>To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [COATES-L] Annals of Newberry >> >>I just found my copy of the Annals of Newberry, and that's the source we've >>all taken it from that Little John is the father of Marmaduke (called Duke) >>the surveyor (p. 148) "Marmaduke Coate, the youngest son of John Coate, >>(little) lived in Newberry from 1812 to 1828. He was a surveryor of much >>experience." (Annals of Newberry) Which equity court record lists the >>brother to Marmaduke as Capt. Henry Coate? If it really lists them both >>that way, then we do have the family mapped out correctly to the best >>evidence available. Little John is the father of Marmaduke the surveyor >>and Capt. Henry. That and the land records of the Henry living next to >>Little John, that Capt. Henry had a wife named Mary before the other 2 >>wives..... something I previously conjectured on, on my homepage..... >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, I noticed when reading it this time, it keeps referring to the >>"Annals" said and occasionally it makes a correction on the Annals... Is >>there more than one version of this? I'm answering my own question as I >>read. I think the original was by Judge Oneal in 1856, then a 2nd one in >>1892 reviewing and adding to the material in the original by Oneal and >>Chapman.... >> >> >> >> >> >>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---------- >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >><http://explorer.msn.com>http://explorer.msn.com

I am looking to find information on the William Coates who married Nancy Shipp on May 1, 1824 in Halifax County, VA - I have just found out there is a possibility that his father or grandfather was Samuel Coates. His marraige certificate to Nancy shows his middle initial as the letter A. I have also been told that William may have married previously to a Sarah Moorefield in Dec 1818. Does anyone have any info on this Coates line? Happy New Year everyone.

Gotta go watch that ball come down in NY... Best to all in the New Year...and we'll get it all figured out...honest...<g> Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

I'm wondering if the 'other' Henry in these discussions is 'my' Henry. He was married first (but unconfirmed) to Mary Pitts and then to Hannah ?. In earlier discussions we've referred to him as Henry of Goosepond Creek as he apparently owned that property. - Janet In a message dated 12/31/2000 1:44:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, coats@hotmail.com writes: << You know folks....this Henry Coats m to a Mary deed seems to have been looked over by a lot of early researchers...just like so many other Coats in the SC area...I still can't get over the fact that Charles Coats was a rather prominent person in Newberry SC yet not one even mentions him in any of their research.... I think a lot of researchers have tried to mold the documents to their theories rather than letting the documents lead them to theories... This includes Medlin...his research doesn't appear to mention or has overlooked this Henry Coats m to Mary as well... Char >>

You know folks....this Henry Coats m to a Mary deed seems to have been looked over by a lot of early researchers...just like so many other Coats in the SC area...I still can't get over the fact that Charles Coats was a rather prominent person in Newberry SC yet not one even mentions him in any of their research.... I think a lot of researchers have tried to mold the documents to their theories rather than letting the documents lead them to theories... This includes Medlin...his research doesn't appear to mention or has overlooked this Henry Coats m to Mary as well... Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/scresearch2.htm Hmmm, I guess I don't have a copy of O'Neal's history ..... I'll have to check for it at the library next time I go....Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Another thing is the adjoining land owners aren't the same...Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda J. Dudick Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 4:05 AM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Fwd: Re: [COATES-L] Re: "LittleJohn" Coate connect to Henry & Es >Yes, I understand your point. They were much better about referring to >Big than to Little, but I've sorted the Johns carefully. The one who >sells Henry's land, is living in the right place to be Little John and >more importantly, his wife's name is Susannah in the deed sale, which is >the only John with that name. Big John lives about 6 miles to the north >west of Little John if memory serves ... not with the same neighbors or >original land owners... >>I do think that John Coate was the son of Henry Coate and the deeds are >>recorded back to back...but they don't refer to him as Little John >>Coate....I think we need to be careful with these titles...there is a >>deed that does refer to Little John Coate as an adjoining land owner to a >>Henry Coate...but that is the only reference to a *Little* John >>Coate...why would they refer to a *Little* John Coate and then later just >>John Coate...I think they could be two different people...then you go to >>Edgefield I think it was and some deeds refer to him as Little John, >>that's from memory...that just seems strange to me...so I think we need >>to be careful...lumping all these folks together without more info... >> >>The same applies to *Big* John Coate, there are deeds that refer to *Big* >>John Coate, there are also deeds that don't...and the will that has been >>attributed to *Big* doesn't refer to him as *Big* John Coate... >> >>I think we need to be careful in lumping everyone together...it just >>seems strange that sometimes they use Big and Little and yet other times >>they don't...that doesn't seem to fit for me... >> >>Happy New Year, btw... >> >>Char >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Etta Cooper >>Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 5:09 PM >>To: bencoate@jps.net; coats@hotmail.com; COATES-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: "LittleJohn" Coate connect to Henry & Esther Willson Coate >> >> >>Coates Listers: >> >>As per quote in E-Mail dated 30 Dec 2000, from Linda Dudick and her >>assessment of data she found about "LittleJohn" and probable father Henry. >> >>"Lastly, when father Henry dies, he does not will or deed out his 200 >>acres that he purchased in 1765. However, this same parcel of land is >>sold by Little John in 1792 proving the descent from my point of >>view. More specifically, Henry Coate purchases 200 acres from John >>Brooks on July 29, 1765. It was on Scotts Creek with no adjacent >>families. John Brooks had purchased it on Aug 26,1757. It consisted of >>some buildings and pasture lands. Then, (Little) John Coate and his wife >>Susannah sell to Peter Buffington 200 acres on Nov. 14, 1792. The land >>was on Scotts Creek, and was originally purchased by John Brooks on Sep. >>19, 1758 (when the transaction was completed). The filing of the deeds >>clinches it. Henry's purchase of 1765 was not filed until 1792 (years >>after Henry's death) and is filed directly before this John sells the >>same property to Peter Buffington according to one set of SC deed records. " >> >>Will be back to correct data I keyed in wrong about Mary Coate, 1st wife >>of Marmaduke "Duke" when there is time. I'm still losing letters being >>composed (hit the wrong key) and can never find them again. The ole >>blood pressure goes up and I have to take a break. >> >>My documentation will be when I can find my data after changing from FTM >>to Family Origins and going to the library again. >> >>Happy hunting to all and a prosperous 2001. >>Etta Cooper<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a >>href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> >> >> >>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >>Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: >>http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar ==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

But we don't have any records showing that Capt Henry Coate had a wife named Mary...so it's just conjecture at this point that the Henry's are the same person...plus...why would the records refer to Little John, very clearly, but then in other not refer to him as little john... When were the Annals of Newberry Written...? Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda J. Dudick Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 4:58 AM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COATES-L] Annals of Newberry I just found my copy of the Annals of Newberry, and that's the source we've all taken it from that Little John is the father of Marmaduke (called Duke) the surveyor (p. 148) "Marmaduke Coate, the youngest son of John Coate, (little) lived in Newberry from 1812 to 1828. He was a surveryor of much experience." (Annals of Newberry) Which equity court record lists the brother to Marmaduke as Capt. Henry Coate? If it really lists them both that way, then we do have the family mapped out correctly to the best evidence available. Little John is the father of Marmaduke the surveyor and Capt. Henry. That and the land records of the Henry living next to Little John, that Capt. Henry had a wife named Mary before the other 2 wives..... something I previously conjectured on, on my homepage..... Also, I noticed when reading it this time, it keeps referring to the "Annals" said and occasionally it makes a correction on the Annals... Is there more than one version of this? I'm answering my own question as I read. I think the original was by Judge Oneal in 1856, then a 2nd one in 1892 reviewing and adding to the material in the original by Oneal and Chapman.... ==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

I just found my copy of the Annals of Newberry, and that's the source we've all taken it from that Little John is the father of Marmaduke (called Duke) the surveyor (p. 148) "Marmaduke Coate, the youngest son of John Coate, (little) lived in Newberry from 1812 to 1828. He was a surveryor of much experience." (Annals of Newberry) Which equity court record lists the brother to Marmaduke as Capt. Henry Coate? If it really lists them both that way, then we do have the family mapped out correctly to the best evidence available. Little John is the father of Marmaduke the surveyor and Capt. Henry. That and the land records of the Henry living next to Little John, that Capt. Henry had a wife named Mary before the other 2 wives..... something I previously conjectured on, on my homepage..... Also, I noticed when reading it this time, it keeps referring to the "Annals" said and occasionally it makes a correction on the Annals... Is there more than one version of this? I'm answering my own question as I read. I think the original was by Judge Oneal in 1856, then a 2nd one in 1892 reviewing and adding to the material in the original by Oneal and Chapman....

Interesting discussion. There is a possibility that there is a Henry we haven't placed... The deed below by the way is not the deed that shows that Henry is a likely father to (Little) John married to Susannah.... But what it does point out is that the Capt. Henry connected to Little John in any major publication either has a wife named Mary before he marries the two Long sisters OR Little John's son is a different Henry and not the Capt. Henry always connected with him.... Let's recheck the Annals of Newberry where it talks about Little John and his son Henry parcelling out the land that created the town of Newberry.... I think it's in there where it lists his son as Capt. Henry. Both Marmauduke the surveyor and Capt Henry are the sons very commonly listed as the sons of Little John. At 11:37 PM 12/30/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Here is part of the deed I'm refering to...I'll finish and put it in the >archive...there if I recall correctly is several records in this file, >it's pretty big...most of the old deeds were lease and releases...so it >looks like two deeds to the same parties...I don't know why they did >that...has somthing to do I'm sure with the old English laws... > >But Capt Henry Coate, if I recall had wives named, Elizabeth and Polly >Long, they were sisters...this Henry's wife's name is Mary and it shows >Little John as an adjoining land owner on Scotch Creek to his land....now, >if you recall Capt Henry Coate lived down by the Saluda River next to >Benjamin Long...you will also recall in Marmaduke Coate's plat map of the >villate of Newberry, shown in Pope's history, that Marmaduke shows a Henry >Coates and a Henry Coate, because Marm spelled the names differently and >as a surveyor he would be careful of detail, it appeared to me that there >were two Henry's in Newberry Village both owning land...so I'm just saying >we need to be careful, about lumping all these folks together just because >they have the same first name....they may not be the same person....and >indeed, I think these are two different Henrys.... >This indenture made the ? 6 or 16 day of October in the Nineteenth year of >American Independence and in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven >Hundred and Ninety four between Henry Coate of Newberry County Ninety >District and state of South Carolina and Mary his wife of the one part and >Francis Alkin of the county aforesaid of the other part. Witnesseth that >the said Henry Coate and Mary his wife for and in consideration of the sum >of fifteen pounds good and lawfull money of the state aforesaid ? paid by >the aforesaid Francis AAlkin the receipt thereof whereby acknowledged, >hath granted bargained and sold and by these present doth bargain sell >alien eliease ? confirm unto the said Francis Alkins by ? of a bargain and >sale to him thereof made for and whole land by indenture of sale bearing >date ? day next before the day of the ? these presents and by force of the >? being ? into possessed and to his heirs and assigns for ever a >plantation or tract of land containing fifty sev! >en acres situated, lying and being in the county aforesaid on the waters >of Scotch Creek a branch of Bush River bounding by lines ? W and NW by >Benjamin Alkins land, NW and NE by Francis Alkins, NE by Josiah Scotts, SE >by William Jinkins, NW by Little John Coats having said shape ? and marks >as in ? by a plat unto the grant thereof is annexed which said ? dated the >thirteenth day of October one thousand seven hundrend and ninety three and >? by his Excellency William ? in and ? S. Carolinas and the great seal of >the same hereunto affixed to have and to hold unto the said Francis Alkins >the said plantation or tract of land containing fifty seven acres as >aforesaid with ??, rents, issues and profits thereof and ? and singular >the premises ?? > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 12/22/00 > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ====

This is information on Benjamin F. Coates, son of Benjamin Watts Coates and Elizabeth Brock. His wife Elizabeth Coats, I don't have the parents for. If anyone else does that would be great... Intersting tidbit that they were cousins... I'd like to know how. At 09:28 PM 12/30/2000 -0800, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: BettyHP@aol.com >Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 7:55 PM >To: coats@hotmail.com >Subject: Coats > > >Charlotte, just ran across this and if you are like me you save little >tidbits that might mean something some day even though today they really >don't fit anywhere- > >Washington D. COATS >HISTORY OF HICKORY, POLK, CEDAR, DADE AND BARTON COUNTIES, MISSOURI 1889, >published by Goodspeed, Pgs. 634, 635--Polk County Biographies Section >Washington D. Coats, a prominent tiller of the soil of Jackson Township, who >resides half a mile from Sharon Station, was born in Henry County, Tenn., >September 30, 1825, emigrating to Missouri with his parents in the fall of >1833, and settling in what is now Polk county. He is the son of Benjamin and >Elizabeth (Coats) Coats (cousins), both natives of Tennessee, and born in >17795 and 1800 respectively. They were married about 1819, and afterward >moved to West Tennessee, where they remained until 1833, when they settled in >what is now Polk County, Mo. He followed farming in that county, and in 1859 >took a herd of cattle of about fifty head to California. He died in that >State in 1862. The mother died on the old home place June 30, 1870. They were >the parents of eight children, four now living. Washington D. Coats attained >his growth in Polk County, and was married in that county in 1849, to Miss >Matilda Rook, a native of Tennessee, born in 1832, and who came to Missouri >with her parents at an early age. After marriage Mr. Coats followed >agricultural pursuits until the breaking out of the war, when he enlisted in >Company H, Phelps' Regiment Missouri Infantry Volunteers, and served six >months, and was mustered out in May, 1862. During his time of service he was >in the battle of Pea Ridge. He enlisted in the Enrolled Militia, Company I, >in 1862, serving six months, at which time the company was disbanded. He >afterward served four months under Lieut. Roberts at Bolivar. After the war >he returned home and engaged in farming. He is post commander of Phil. >Sheridan Post No. 398, G. A. R. and is also a member of the Baptist Church. >To his marriage were born twelve children: Newton Marion, William Henry, >Thomas B., James A.; Rebecca E., now Mrs. Neil; Mary, now Mrs. Patterson; >Frantz S., Abraham L., John W., Edward S.; Sarah E., now Mrs. Slatter; and >Charley C. Mrs. Coats is also a member of the Baptist Church. Mr. Coats is >well-read man, and takes great interest in educational matters. The paternal >grandfather of our subject, Benjamin W. Coats, was born in Virginia, and died >in Tennessee about 1840. His wife died about 1847. The maternal grandfather >was probably born in Virginia, and died in Tennessee about 1835, and his wife >in 1840. > >I enjoy hearing from you and hope to get to see you when we come to >California next June to see our grandson Michael graduate from highschool. I >still have some "Coats" info that I copied in South Caroline--and am ashamed >that I have had it so long. I will try to get that off in the New Year!! > >I know this was a special Christmas for you with that little >granddaughter--there is nothing like being a grandmother in my opinion!! We >had all eight of ours here for the holidays. > >Love, Betty<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> > > >==== COATES Mailing List ====

>Yes, I understand your point. They were much better about referring to >Big than to Little, but I've sorted the Johns carefully. The one who >sells Henry's land, is living in the right place to be Little John and >more importantly, his wife's name is Susannah in the deed sale, which is >the only John with that name. Big John lives about 6 miles to the north >west of Little John if memory serves ... not with the same neighbors or >original land owners... >>I do think that John Coate was the son of Henry Coate and the deeds are >>recorded back to back...but they don't refer to him as Little John >>Coate....I think we need to be careful with these titles...there is a >>deed that does refer to Little John Coate as an adjoining land owner to a >>Henry Coate...but that is the only reference to a *Little* John >>Coate...why would they refer to a *Little* John Coate and then later just >>John Coate...I think they could be two different people...then you go to >>Edgefield I think it was and some deeds refer to him as Little John, >>that's from memory...that just seems strange to me...so I think we need >>to be careful...lumping all these folks together without more info... >> >>The same applies to *Big* John Coate, there are deeds that refer to *Big* >>John Coate, there are also deeds that don't...and the will that has been >>attributed to *Big* doesn't refer to him as *Big* John Coate... >> >>I think we need to be careful in lumping everyone together...it just >>seems strange that sometimes they use Big and Little and yet other times >>they don't...that doesn't seem to fit for me... >> >>Happy New Year, btw... >> >>Char >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Etta Cooper >>Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 5:09 PM >>To: bencoate@jps.net; coats@hotmail.com; COATES-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: "LittleJohn" Coate connect to Henry & Esther Willson Coate >> >> >>Coates Listers: >> >>As per quote in E-Mail dated 30 Dec 2000, from Linda Dudick and her >>assessment of data she found about "LittleJohn" and probable father Henry. >> >>"Lastly, when father Henry dies, he does not will or deed out his 200 >>acres that he purchased in 1765. However, this same parcel of land is >>sold by Little John in 1792 proving the descent from my point of >>view. More specifically, Henry Coate purchases 200 acres from John >>Brooks on July 29, 1765. It was on Scotts Creek with no adjacent >>families. John Brooks had purchased it on Aug 26,1757. It consisted of >>some buildings and pasture lands. Then, (Little) John Coate and his wife >>Susannah sell to Peter Buffington 200 acres on Nov. 14, 1792. The land >>was on Scotts Creek, and was originally purchased by John Brooks on Sep. >>19, 1758 (when the transaction was completed). The filing of the deeds >>clinches it. Henry's purchase of 1765 was not filed until 1792 (years >>after Henry's death) and is filed directly before this John sells the >>same property to Peter Buffington according to one set of SC deed records. " >> >>Will be back to correct data I keyed in wrong about Mary Coate, 1st wife >>of Marmaduke "Duke" when there is time. I'm still losing letters being >>composed (hit the wrong key) and can never find them again. The ole >>blood pressure goes up and I have to take a break. >> >>My documentation will be when I can find my data after changing from FTM >>to Family Origins and going to the library again. >> >>Happy hunting to all and a prosperous 2001. >>Etta Cooper<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a >>href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> >> >> >>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >>Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: >>http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar

Coates Listers: As per quote in E-Mail dated 30 Dec 2000, from Linda Dudick and her assessment of data she found about "LittleJohn" and probable father Henry. "Lastly, when father Henry dies, he does not will or deed out his 200 acres that he purchased in 1765. However, this same parcel of land is sold by Little John in 1792 proving the descent from my point of view. More specifically, Henry Coate purchases 200 acres from John Brooks on July 29, 1765. It was on Scotts Creek with no adjacent families. John Brooks had purchased it on Aug 26,1757. It consisted of some buildings and pasture lands. Then, (Little) John Coate and his wife Susannah sell to Peter Buffington 200 acres on Nov. 14, 1792. The land was on Scotts Creek, and was originally purchased by John Brooks on Sep. 19, 1758 (when the transaction was completed). The filing of the deeds clinches it. Henry's purchase of 1765 was not filed until 1792 (years after Henry's death) and is filed directly before this John sells the same property to Peter Buffington according to one set of SC deed records. " Will be back to correct data I keyed in wrong about Mary Coate, 1st wife of Marmaduke "Duke" when there is time. I'm still losing letters being composed (hit the wrong key) and can never find them again. The ole blood pressure goes up and I have to take a break. My documentation will be when I can find my data after changing from FTM to Family Origins and going to the library again. Happy hunting to all and a prosperous 2001. Etta Cooper _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

We also know from the Equity court records that Capt Henry Coate and Marmaduke were brothers and that their father's name was John Coate...but I don't think this is Little John Coate Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar/docsnewberry.htm That deed is located here as well, page down to 1794, Henry Coate, wife Mary to Francis Atkins, but it looks like Alkins on the deed...the transcribed copy is sorta...I've left a lot of the legal language out...file names are henrylittlejohn.pdf and hrynbcoa.pdf ......Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Here is part of the deed I'm refering to...I'll finish and put it in the archive...there if I recall correctly is several records in this file, it's pretty big...most of the old deeds were lease and releases...so it looks like two deeds to the same parties...I don't know why they did that...has somthing to do I'm sure with the old English laws... But Capt Henry Coate, if I recall had wives named, Elizabeth and Polly Long, they were sisters...this Henry's wife's name is Mary and it shows Little John as an adjoining land owner on Scotch Creek to his land....now, if you recall Capt Henry Coate lived down by the Saluda River next to Benjamin Long...you will also recall in Marmaduke Coate's plat map of the villate of Newberry, shown in Pope's history, that Marmaduke shows a Henry Coates and a Henry Coate, because Marm spelled the names differently and as a surveyor he would be careful of detail, it appeared to me that there were two Henry's in Newberry Village both owning land...so I'm just saying we need to be careful, about lumping all these folks together just because they have the same first name...they may not be the same person....and indeed, I think these are two different Henrys.... This indenture made the ? 6 or 16 day of October in the Nineteenth year of American Independence and in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven Hundred and Ninety four between Henry Coate of Newberry County Ninety District and state of South Carolina and Mary his wife of the one part and Francis Alkin of the county aforesaid of the other part. Witnesseth that the said Henry Coate and Mary his wife for and in consideration of the sum of fifteen pounds good and lawfull money of the state aforesaid ? paid by the aforesaid Francis AAlkin the receipt thereof whereby acknowledged, hath granted bargained and sold and by these present doth bargain sell alien eliease ? confirm unto the said Francis Alkins by ? of a bargain and sale to him thereof made for and whole land by indenture of sale bearing date ? day next before the day of the ? these presents and by force of the ? being ? into possessed and to his heirs and assigns for ever a plantation or tract of land containing fifty seven acres situated, lying and being in the county aforesaid on the waters of Scotch Creek a branch of Bush River bounding by lines ? W and NW by Benjamin Alkins land, NW and NE by Francis Alkins, NE by Josiah Scotts, SE by William Jinkins, NW by Little John Coats having said shape ? and marks as in ? by a plat unto the grant thereof is annexed which said ? dated the thirteenth day of October one thousand seven hundrend and ninety three and ? by his Excellency William ? in and ? S. Carolinas and the great seal of the same hereunto affixed to have and to hold unto the said Francis Alkins the said plantation or tract of land containing fifty seven acres as aforesaid with ??, rents, issues and profits thereof and ? and singular the premises ?? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 12/22/00