This 1802 or 4 Mortgage you talk about is very interesting. I haven't seen it.... Is there any indication who the "widow" is.... The William and Henry could easily be the known sons of Little John.... (not Big John who lives on Beaverdam Creek and who doesn't die until 1809).... Does anyone know who Esther and Richard Pemberton are??? so we can place this family. It could indicate a relationship between Big John Coates family and this Coates family so is definitely worth checking on the location of the property on Bigdam (as there were 3 Bigdam Creeks in Newberry Co.) and narrowing down who it refers too. At 11:48 PM 1/1/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Well, in the Archive also is the estate papers for Little John Coates and >Susannah his wife, Henry Coates was involved as well...and the papers call >him Little John Coates... > >But also in there is a Mortgage from William Coate, Henry Coate, Esther >Pemberton and Richard Pemberton to Joseph Toland in 1802 or 1804, I think >it is...anyway, they took out a mortgage on land on Beaverdam *where the >widow now lives*...sooooo, William, Henry and Mamduke are brothers? Or >who is this William and Henry? > >Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> > > >==== COATES Mailing List ====

:) Ain't that the truth! At 08:00 PM 1/1/2001 -0800, you wrote: >A lesson to all of us...write down all your relatives...and there'll still >probably be debates about us in 300 years...<g>...Char >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda J. Dudick >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 4:38 PM >To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Henry and "Little" John's land > >Of course it's possible, but there have been no duplications in the census, >or with death dates or other timeline functions to indicate such and >there's not another John and Susanah in the Annals of Newberry >either.... Think there's a time to be too cautious. Genealogy is easy >when it's all based upon 1st hand clearly laid out documents, and in lew of >them we have to take fact after fact that can be found and build cases or >tear them down.... Don't see any facts here to tear it down. > >At 11:53 AM 1/1/2001 -0800, you wrote: > >But the deed doesn't say Little John and it is also possible that there > >were two Johns in SC with a wife by the same first name...we've seen that > >with other as well... > > > >Char > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Linda J. Dudick > >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 5:32 AM > >To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [COATES-L] Henry and "Little" John's land > > > > > >Henry Coate purchased 200 acres from John Brooks on July 29, 1765. It was > >on Scotts Creek with no adjacent families. John Brooks had purchased it on > >Aug 26,1757. It consisted of some buildings and pasture lands. Then, > >(Little) John Coate and his wife Susannah sell to Peter Buffington 200 > >acres on Nov. 14, 1792. The land was on Scotts Creek, and was originally > >purchased by John Brooks on Sep. 19, 1758 (when transaction was > >completed). The filing of the deeds supports the fact that they were > >father and son, and that the parcel of land was the same parcel. Henry's > >purchase of 1765 was not filed until 1792 (years after Henry's death) and > >is filed directly before John and wife Susannah sell the same property to > >Peter Buffington. > > > > > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of > >MSN Explorer at <a > >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> > > > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== > > > > > > >---------- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at ><http://explorer.msn.com>http://explorer.msn.com

JRC, Glad you are enjoying the discussion. We all keep each other on our toes. The problem is that the deed that mentions Mary, wife of Henry is in 1792 and Henry son of Little John does not get married to Mary Long until 1808 if memory serves. Because the deed is land next to Little John's.... my guess is that it's still his son Henry, but one who is an unknown first wife. The other possibility is that the Henry who buys land next to Little John in 1792 is the Henry Coate married to Mary/Molly Pitts by 1784 whom we haven't figured out how he connects into the family yet.... Many genealogies have placed him as theory as the son of Henry and Esther Wilson Coate or brother to Little John... This all fits with the facts above except for the fact that he appears to be much much younger than Henry's other known sons.... by about 30 years.... Let's however flow with the idea that the 1792 deed for a Henry Coate is the one that's married to Mary Pitts... Timing and name wise it does fit because of the following. He marries Mary Pitts before 1784, he buys land on Goose Pond in 1771 and again in 1772. He sells land on Goose Pond in 1790. He buys land in 1792 south of Newberry next to Little John's Land??? .... No conflicts in time or in marriage.... He's also the only other known Henry to have a wife named Mary. Worth a theory. At 09:21 PM 1/1/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Coates Rootswebbers: > I have been following the discussions about "Little" John COATES & >also about his son Capt. Henry COATES with his wives. Someone mentioned he >might have had a third wife because of finding him with a wife named Mary. >Hasn't anyone mentioned that Polly is the nickname for Mary? Mary & Polly >could both used in different deeds & documents for the same wife! Henry's >two wives were sisters (1) Elizabeth Long; called "Betsy" (2) Mary Long >called "Polly". > Anyhow-it is nice to have my "Little" John COATES line discussed once >again on the Rootsweb. I appreciate all the hard work you all do. Thanks for >sharing your research so freely!!!!!!!!!!! You are the BEST!!! > JRC > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ====

--part1_b0.e727844.2782c555_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_b0.e727844.2782c555_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <PATJEAN@aol.com> From: PATJEAN@aol.com Full-name: PATJEAN Message-ID: <fb.f3aa341.27725973@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:50:27 EST Subject: E. C. Coates - Artist To: COATES-L-request@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 I was at the Hagen Museum in Stockton, Ca. yesterday. They have a wonderful oil painting done by E. C. Coates. The card by the painting stated he was an active artist between the years of 1837-72. Does that ring a bell with anyone? Pat Alsup Hardman --part1_b0.e727844.2782c555_boundary--

Look at: http://www.oxfordgallery.com/Period_Artists/coates.html There are two paintings shown and the info on the artist shows that he was born in PA. They show 1846-1921 at the top of the page under his name, but that does not makes sense, because they show he exibited as early as 1831. He was also known as Edmund C., Edmund F., and Edward Coates, (good luck). Melanie Atkins Bryan, TX > From: PATJEAN@aol.com > Full-name: PATJEAN > Message-ID: <fb.f3aa341.27725973@aol.com> > Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:50:27 EST > Subject: E. C. Coates - Artist > To: COATES-L-request@rootsweb.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 146 > > I was at the Hagen Museum in Stockton, Ca. yesterday. They have a wonderful > oil painting done by E. C. Coates. The card by the painting stated he was an > active artist between the years of 1837-72. Does that ring a bell with > anyone? Pat Alsup Hardman > > --part1_b0.e727844.2782c555_boundary-- > > > ==== COATES Mailing List ==== > >

http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1800v2/marcus18270522.html 1827 - Samuel Coates - age 10 - England to MA<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

http://istg.rootsweb.com/1800/arabia540830.html A Mr. and Mrs. Coats...from the US - 1854 This is quite a site... Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

http://istg.rootsweb.com/1800/foster511208.html Robert Coats, 23 from England in 1851<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

http://istg.rootsweb.com/1800/abyssinia780918.html This looks like the entire family of a James Coats, age 44 and Sarah, age 40 his wife... Kids: Elizabeth, Annie, Alice, Stuart, Fred and James age 3 to 20 - they came in 1878 from Scotland<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Well, in the Archive also is the estate papers for Little John Coates and Susannah his wife, Henry Coates was involved as well...and the papers call him Little John Coates... But also in there is a Mortgage from William Coate, Henry Coate, Esther Pemberton and Richard Pemberton to Joseph Toland in 1802 or 1804, I think it is...anyway, they took out a mortgage on land on Beaverdam *where the widow now lives*...sooooo, William, Henry and Mamduke are brothers? Or who is this William and Henry? Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Does anyone have anything at all about a William Joseph Coats born 8-7-1871 in Tennessee? He moved to Missouri as a "young man" according to his obituary from 12-3-1934. He was married to Emmaline Presson, and they lived in Mississippi County, Missouri.

Dear Coates Rootswebbers: I have been following the discussions about "Little" John COATES & also about his son Capt. Henry COATES with his wives. Someone mentioned he might have had a third wife because of finding him with a wife named Mary. Hasn't anyone mentioned that Polly is the nickname for Mary? Mary & Polly could both used in different deeds & documents for the same wife! Henry's two wives were sisters (1) Elizabeth Long; called "Betsy" (2) Mary Long called "Polly". Anyhow-it is nice to have my "Little" John COATES line discussed once again on the Rootsweb. I appreciate all the hard work you all do. Thanks for sharing your research so freely!!!!!!!!!!! You are the BEST!!! JRC

True, but we still have another Henry in the area with a wife named Mary as well...Char ----- Original Message ----- From: JoanCardon@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 6:22 PM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COATES-L] Capt. Henry COATES Dear Coates Rootswebbers: I have been following the discussions about "Little" John COATES & also about his son Capt. Henry COATES with his wives. Someone mentioned he might have had a third wife because of finding him with a wife named Mary. Hasn't anyone mentioned that Polly is the nickname for Mary? Mary & Polly could both used in different deeds & documents for the same wife! Henry's two wives were sisters (1) Elizabeth Long; called "Betsy" (2) Mary Long called "Polly". Anyhow-it is nice to have my "Little" John COATES line discussed once again on the Rootsweb. I appreciate all the hard work you all do. Thanks for sharing your research so freely!!!!!!!!!!! You are the BEST!!! JRC ==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

But we do have another Henry in the area with a wife named Mary...and yes, old timers are good, but sometimes not accurate, (I say this as I approach old timer status...<g>....)....Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda J. Dudick Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 4:37 PM To: * Charlotte; COATES-L@Rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Henry and "Little" John's land Of course it's possible, but there have been no duplications in the census, or with death dates or other timeline functions to indicate such and there's not another John and Susanah in the Annals of Newberry either.... Think there's a time to be too cautious. Genealogy is easy when it's all based upon 1st hand clearly laid out documents, and in lew of them we have to take fact after fact that can be found and build cases or tear them down.... Don't see any facts here to tear it down. At 11:53 AM 1/1/2001 -0800, you wrote: >But the deed doesn't say Little John and it is also possible that there >were two Johns in SC with a wife by the same first name...we've seen that >with other as well... > >Char > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda J. Dudick >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 5:32 AM >To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [COATES-L] Henry and "Little" John's land > > >Henry Coate purchased 200 acres from John Brooks on July 29, 1765. It was >on Scotts Creek with no adjacent families. John Brooks had purchased it on >Aug 26,1757. It consisted of some buildings and pasture lands. Then, >(Little) John Coate and his wife Susannah sell to Peter Buffington 200 >acres on Nov. 14, 1792. The land was on Scotts Creek, and was originally >purchased by John Brooks on Sep. 19, 1758 (when transaction was >completed). The filing of the deeds supports the fact that they were >father and son, and that the parcel of land was the same parcel. Henry's >purchase of 1765 was not filed until 1792 (years after Henry's death) and >is filed directly before John and wife Susannah sell the same property to >Peter Buffington. > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of >MSN Explorer at <a >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> > > >==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

A lesson to all of us...write down all your relatives...and there'll still probably be debates about us in 300 years...<g>...Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda J. Dudick Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 4:38 PM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Henry and "Little" John's land Of course it's possible, but there have been no duplications in the census, or with death dates or other timeline functions to indicate such and there's not another John and Susanah in the Annals of Newberry either.... Think there's a time to be too cautious. Genealogy is easy when it's all based upon 1st hand clearly laid out documents, and in lew of them we have to take fact after fact that can be found and build cases or tear them down.... Don't see any facts here to tear it down. At 11:53 AM 1/1/2001 -0800, you wrote: >But the deed doesn't say Little John and it is also possible that there >were two Johns in SC with a wife by the same first name...we've seen that >with other as well... > >Char > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda J. Dudick >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 5:32 AM >To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [COATES-L] Henry and "Little" John's land > > >Henry Coate purchased 200 acres from John Brooks on July 29, 1765. It was >on Scotts Creek with no adjacent families. John Brooks had purchased it on >Aug 26,1757. It consisted of some buildings and pasture lands. Then, >(Little) John Coate and his wife Susannah sell to Peter Buffington 200 >acres on Nov. 14, 1792. The land was on Scotts Creek, and was originally >purchased by John Brooks on Sep. 19, 1758 (when transaction was >completed). The filing of the deeds supports the fact that they were >father and son, and that the parcel of land was the same parcel. Henry's >purchase of 1765 was not filed until 1792 (years after Henry's death) and >is filed directly before John and wife Susannah sell the same property to >Peter Buffington. > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of >MSN Explorer at <a >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== ==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Please write back to Elaine Haug if you know anything to help her. >From: "Elaine Haug" <EHaug@email.msn.com> >To: <LDudick@ancestrees.com> >Subject: Simon Bolivar Coates >Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:17:38 -0500 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 >X-RCPT-TO: <LDudick@ancestrees.com> > >Linda, > You seem to have a great knowledge of the Coates. I am trying to > connect to some of them. My great great grandfather was Simon Bolivar > Coate b. 1825 Newberry Co., SC; d. 1863 (on tombstone died "Good only > knows"). Married Sarah Nichols 1844, b. 31 Dec 1825, Newberry; d. 4 Dec > 1870, Prosperity, Newberry Co., SC. > >In Annuals of Newberry p. 782 1860 Census Newberry Co. list Bollivar - >40, Sallie - 40, John 15, *Simon - 10, Bradford - 8, Claiborne - 6, Mary - 3. > >My great grandfather *Simon Bolivar Coats b. 15 May 1849 in Charleston, >SC; d. 4 Dec 1936 in Prospertiy, Newberry Co., SC. Married Zenoba Lee >Roberts b. 3 Apr 1865 in SC, d. 29 Jul 1902 in Prosperity. They had >Luther 1882, Eugene Coats 1885, Charles Crosson Coats 1889, Simon Floyd >Coats 1894 and *Ella Lucile Coats 1897. > >Ella Lucile was my grandmother. > >Do you have any of this information in your records. A gentleman on >internet said Simon Bolivar Coate (Sr.) was the son of Henry and Mary >Long, who was the son of Little John Coates. Do you agree with this or >have more details about them. I know Simon Bolivar Coats (Jr.) was a >cotton mill worker from the 1900 Census. > >I would also love to find out more on Zenoba Lee Roberts. I have totally >nothing on her except a photo of her tombstone. I have never come across >the name Zenoba. I have queried the net to see if anyone knows where that >name came from, but no response. > >I hope you might have knowledge of my relative. I will be happy to share >the descendants of them. > >Thank you, > >Elaine Haug

:) Just like Big John and even more so, he's not consistently called Little John in the records. At 12:09 PM 1/1/2001 -0800, you wrote: >It's been assumed that John married Susannah and Little John were the same >person...seems to me there is also another deed in the Archive that refers >to Little John as well...it was a really dark deed or one that wasn't all >that clear...I'll do some more checking... > >But I think in light of the fact that the deeds attributed to John and >Susannah, don't call him little John and we know that Capt Henry m >Priscilla or Elizabeth and Polly and Marmaduke had a father John...none of >the records assciated with this group call John Little John... > >But there is a deed for a Henry Coate m to a Mary and in that deed it >specifically referes to Little John as an adjoining land owner.... > >So it is just possible that these two Johns are not the same...and this >deeds doesn't say who little John's wife was...and there is nothing in the >records to indicate Capt Henry was married three times... > >Also, did the *Annals* have a source for where any of the info was >gathered...if I recall correctly I don't believe it did, the only history >out of Newberry County SC which is documented and sourced is Pope...the >Callaway County MO History is the same i.e.. not documented, doesn't tell >you where any of the info came from...but if I had not found those deeds >showing William Coats sold all his land in 1817, I would have viewed that >history with a *slanted eye*...and likewise, although William Coats is >supposed to have come from SC...it is possible he came from any of those >states, because almost all those states were *The Carolinas* in those >early days including GA... > >I just think we need to be careful jumping to conclusions without enough >documentation to support the theories...we've already had another >researcher post that they have a Henry married to a Mary...we can't just >discount that... > >Char > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: * Charlotte >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 11:53 AM >To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Henry and "Little" John's land > > >But the deed doesn't say Little John and it is also possible that there >were two Johns in SC with a wife by the same first name...we've seen that >with other as well... > >Char > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda J. Dudick >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 5:32 AM >To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [COATES-L] Henry and "Little" John's land > > >Henry Coate purchased 200 acres from John Brooks on July 29, 1765. It was >on Scotts Creek with no adjacent families. John Brooks had purchased it on >Aug 26,1757. It consisted of some buildings and pasture lands. Then, >(Little) John Coate and his wife Susannah sell to Peter Buffington 200 >acres on Nov. 14, 1792. The land was on Scotts Creek, and was originally >purchased by John Brooks on Sep. 19, 1758 (when transaction was >completed). The filing of the deeds supports the fact that they were >father and son, and that the parcel of land was the same parcel. Henry's >purchase of 1765 was not filed until 1792 (years after Henry's death) and >is filed directly before John and wife Susannah sell the same property to >Peter Buffington. > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of >MSN Explorer at <a >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> > > >==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of >MSN Explorer at <a >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> > > >==== COATES Mailing List ====

--=====================_20010515==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yes, that's true. At 11:55 AM 1/1/2001 -0800, you wrote: >The problem is, none of these old histories have any references for their >sources except Pope, that gave references for everything... >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda J. Dudick >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 4:28 AM >To: * Charlotte >Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Annals of Newberry > >The first Annals I think were written in 1856 when Judge Belton Oneal was >in his 50's. He must have been taking his history from the old timers >around and the written records for Newberry. His work is considered >authoritative and hasn't had error that I've seen when compared to the >records.... That's an unusual thing to say. > >At 08:07 AM 12/31/2000 -0800, you wrote: >>But we don't have any records showing that Capt Henry Coate had a wife >>named Mary...so it's just conjecture at this point that the Henry's are >>the same person...plus...why would the records refer to Little John, very >>clearly, but then in other not refer to him as little john... >> >>When were the Annals of Newberry Written...? >> >>Char >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Linda J. Dudick >>Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 4:58 AM >>To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [COATES-L] Annals of Newberry >> >>I just found my copy of the Annals of Newberry, and that's the source we've >>all taken it from that Little John is the father of Marmaduke (called Duke) >>the surveyor (p. 148) "Marmaduke Coate, the youngest son of John Coate, >>(little) lived in Newberry from 1812 to 1828. He was a surveryor of much >>experience." (Annals of Newberry) Which equity court record lists the >>brother to Marmaduke as Capt. Henry Coate? If it really lists them both >>that way, then we do have the family mapped out correctly to the best >>evidence available. Little John is the father of Marmaduke the surveyor >>and Capt. Henry. That and the land records of the Henry living next to >>Little John, that Capt. Henry had a wife named Mary before the other 2 >>wives..... something I previously conjectured on, on my homepage..... >> >> >> >> >> >>Also, I noticed when reading it this time, it keeps referring to the >>"Annals" said and occasionally it makes a correction on the Annals... Is >>there more than one version of this? I'm answering my own question as I >>read. I think the original was by Judge Oneal in 1856, then a 2nd one in >>1892 reviewing and adding to the material in the original by Oneal and >>Chapman.... >> >> >> >> >> >>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---------- >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >><http://explorer.msn.com/>http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >---------- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at ><http://explorer.msn.com>http://explorer.msn.com --=====================_

Of course it's possible, but there have been no duplications in the census, or with death dates or other timeline functions to indicate such and there's not another John and Susanah in the Annals of Newberry either.... Think there's a time to be too cautious. Genealogy is easy when it's all based upon 1st hand clearly laid out documents, and in lew of them we have to take fact after fact that can be found and build cases or tear them down.... Don't see any facts here to tear it down. At 11:53 AM 1/1/2001 -0800, you wrote: >But the deed doesn't say Little John and it is also possible that there >were two Johns in SC with a wife by the same first name...we've seen that >with other as well... > >Char > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda J. Dudick >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 5:32 AM >To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [COATES-L] Henry and "Little" John's land > > >Henry Coate purchased 200 acres from John Brooks on July 29, 1765. It was >on Scotts Creek with no adjacent families. John Brooks had purchased it on >Aug 26,1757. It consisted of some buildings and pasture lands. Then, >(Little) John Coate and his wife Susannah sell to Peter Buffington 200 >acres on Nov. 14, 1792. The land was on Scotts Creek, and was originally >purchased by John Brooks on Sep. 19, 1758 (when transaction was >completed). The filing of the deeds supports the fact that they were >father and son, and that the parcel of land was the same parcel. Henry's >purchase of 1765 was not filed until 1792 (years after Henry's death) and >is filed directly before John and wife Susannah sell the same property to >Peter Buffington. > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of >MSN Explorer at <a >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> > > >==== COATES Mailing List ====

It's been assumed that John married Susannah and Little John were the same person...seems to me there is also another deed in the Archive that refers to Little John as well...it was a really dark deed or one that wasn't all that clear...I'll do some more checking... But I think in light of the fact that the deeds attributed to John and Susannah, don't call him little John and we know that Capt Henry m Priscilla or Elizabeth and Polly and Marmaduke had a father John...none of the records assciated with this group call John Little John... But there is a deed for a Henry Coate m to a Mary and in that deed it specifically referes to Little John as an adjoining land owner.... So it is just possible that these two Johns are not the same...and this deeds doesn't say who little John's wife was...and there is nothing in the records to indicate Capt Henry was married three times... Also, did the *Annals* have a source for where any of the info was gathered...if I recall correctly I don't believe it did, the only history out of Newberry County SC which is documented and sourced is Pope...the Callaway County MO History is the same i.e. not documented, doesn't tell you where any of the info came from...but if I had not found those deeds showing William Coats sold all his land in 1817, I would have viewed that history with a *slanted eye*...and likewise, although William Coats is supposed to have come from SC...it is possible he came from any of those states, because almost all those states were *The Carolinas* in those early days including GA... I just think we need to be careful jumping to conclusions without enough documentation to support the theories...we've already had another researcher post that they have a Henry married to a Mary...we can't just discount that... Char ----- Original Message ----- From: * Charlotte Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 11:53 AM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Henry and "Little" John's land But the deed doesn't say Little John and it is also possible that there were two Johns in SC with a wife by the same first name...we've seen that with other as well... Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda J. Dudick Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 5:32 AM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COATES-L] Henry and "Little" John's land Henry Coate purchased 200 acres from John Brooks on July 29, 1765. It was on Scotts Creek with no adjacent families. John Brooks had purchased it on Aug 26,1757. It consisted of some buildings and pasture lands. Then, (Little) John Coate and his wife Susannah sell to Peter Buffington 200 acres on Nov. 14, 1792. The land was on Scotts Creek, and was originally purchased by John Brooks on Sep. 19, 1758 (when transaction was completed). The filing of the deeds supports the fact that they were father and son, and that the parcel of land was the same parcel. Henry's purchase of 1765 was not filed until 1792 (years after Henry's death) and is filed directly before John and wife Susannah sell the same property to Peter Buffington. ==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> ==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>