As you can see all the emails at hotmail only come through now with the *Nick Name* not the email address...so, if you reply to this I'm going to get it...but I will forward info...<g>... Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Astleford Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 4:13 PM To: coats@hotmail.com Subject: Coate/Coppock Charlotte First, I cannot imagine how much work it must have been to take your family back to the 1300's. Let me congratulate you. I am a descendant of Marmaduke Coate and Mary Coppock (said to have been married by the Indians who had captured her as a young girl.) My mother's papers had Marmaduke as the son of William and Rebecca (Sharpe) Coate. I do not have proof of this line and would appreciate any advice you could give me. Thanks Carma<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

This is true of a lot of states....Char ----- Original Message ----- Suggestion: To those who are researching ancestry in NC and particularly in Rowan Co. keep the following boundary line change dates handy. From early 1700's to middle 1800's, county boundary line changes were rife, e.g., Bladen Co., in 1750, was broken up to form Anson Co. Only three years later, Anson Co. was broken up to form Rowan Co. -- it goes on and on in North Carolina until the latter 1800's. Many researchers have come up "zip" for their efforts because of this. Bob Wilhelm "Rowan County was formed from Anson County in 1753. Anson had been created out of Bladen in 1750. By 1836, five counties had been carved from the original Rowan County: Surry (1770), Burke (1777), Iredell (1788), Davidson (1822), and Davie (1836). Twenty-eight counties were later created out of these first six: Guilford (1770), Wilkes (1777), Randolph (1779), Rockingham (1785), Stokes (1789), Buncombe (1791), Ashe (1799), Haywood (1808), Macon (1828), Yancey (1833), Henderson (1838), Cherokee (1839), Caldwell (1841), Cleveland (1841), McDowell (1842), Alexander (1847), Forsyth (1849), Watauga (1849), Jackson (1851), Madison (1851), Polk (1855), Allegheny (1859), Clay (1861), Transylvania (1861), Mitchell (1861), Swain (1871), Graham (1872), and Avery (1911).<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

I forward this with a warning...I saw this on another list but when someone tried to check it out, the VA denied it or the records dept in MO denied it...so I'm not sure how true this is...Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Louise Kohl Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 2:17 AM To: coats@hotmail.com Subject: Military Records Source: An American Legion Post newsletter in Maryland "The Veterans Administration has reported discovering 10 million duplicates of 20th Century Military Records. These records were thought to have been destroyed in a 1973 fire which wiped out most Army records from 1912 to 1960 and most Air Force records from 1947 to 1964. If you need records that you were told were burned, you may contact: Veterans Personnel Records, GSA, St. Louis, MO 63132. End of PRICE-D Digest V01 Issue #3 **********************************<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

http://www.gencircles.com/info/promise Interesting new site for GedComs.... Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

http://www.fdu.com/family/chapmansummerscem.htm Old Dunkers Cemetery it says... Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

That email is real... I know there are some Craig's on this list...but I think he's connected to my Craig line...via Bob Lynch's line...Robert Burns Craig... A bit disconcerting.... Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Well this is a bit un-nerving....but, not sure if this was in a genealogy group or not...not sure why I got the email....(looking rather funny)....Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Gibbs, Cheryl, ACSO Coroner Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 7:42 PM To: 'coats@hotmail.com' Subject: Need Info on family of Carl Scott Lyle who died in Berkeley, CA Charlotte, We're investigators for Alameda County Sheriff Dept./Coroner's Bureau. On 12/30/00 Berkeley Police Dept. found Mr. Carl Scott Lyle dead in his truck. We are currently looking for surviving next of kin. Any help that you can give us would certainly be appreciated. The decedent's father is Carl Blackburn Lyle and his mother is Ishbel McGill Lyle. If you have any information regarding living relatives, please call our office at (510) 268-7300 and speak to either Investigator Larson or Investigator Gibbs.<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

http://home.hiwaay.net/~woliver/Virginia_Law.html This is about VA but also deals with KY prior to its statehood... Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

ANSWERS BELOW. At 06:47 PM 1/3/2001 -0800, you wrote: >How do we know Henry Coats on Goose Pon had a wife named Mary...? > Henry and his wife probably weren't Quakers. Henry named one of his > sons, Marshall after a Baptist minister. There is a Henry Coats who was > a member of the Bush River Baptist Church. He was excommunicated in > Mar. of 1806. I'm theorizing that it's him and it has something to do > with his second marriage to a Hannah. There are many Pitt relatives of > his first wife, Molly Pitts who were members of the Bush River Baptist > Church. (C-1858) His family fits with the only Henry Coate in the area in 1790, with 1 male over age 16, 1 under age 16 and 3 females. By 1800, there are 3 Henry's in the area again. He is highly likely to be the Henry Coat in the 1800 Newberry census records with 2 sons and 2 daughters age ten and under, with he and his wife being ages 26-45. It's the only one that fits a family with his known children in it. The birthdates of the children as researched by Nancy Coats father, fit these census records also. (C-1933) It is possible that Henry purchased 350 acres of land on Goose Pond Creek in July or Oct. of 1771 in what was Craven County. He sold it to Robert Gilliam in Feb. of 1790. It is sold after Henry Coate, father of Marmaduke, James and John, has died in 1784, and eliminates the oldest Henry in the area as the seller of the land. An even more interesting pattern emerges from this land transaction. In Newberry Court Minutes, p. 141, September Term 1790, ordered that Big John Coats be appointed overseer instead of Tho's Black & command the same hands. A lease & release from Henry Coats to Robert Gilliam Esq'r proved on a dedimus directed to Burk County in the State of Georgia & ordered to be recorded. (p. 132) March 1790 On motion of Robert Gilliam Esq're ordered that a dedimus potestum be granted him directed to justice in the State of Georgia to examine William Camel on oath if he saw Henry Coats sign seal and deliver a Lease & release to said Gilliam & whether he was a subscribing witness thereto." The fact that Big John Coate's is named his overseer in this document, might indicate that they are relatives. p. 76 Sept'r court 1788 Same plaintiff (John Musgrove) against Henry Coats defendant, petition & summons, nonsuite as above.(C-947) There is an administration record from Newberry Co., SC for a Henry Coate's Sr. administered from July 15, 1817-1820. He had an extensive estate but left with no will. The estate was divided amongst his widow, Sarah Waldrop and children, Edney Hughens, John (minor), J(ehue), Mary (minor), Elizabeth (minor), Marshal (minor), and Henry Coate (minor). John Pitts was the administrator. Witnesses were Levi and Nathan Pitts. Henry Pitts (brother to Henry's wife, Molly Pitts) was listed as John Coate's guardian. (C-881,886) This administration coupled with the administration for Henry's father in law, Henry Pitts in 1818 that only lists 4 of Henry's children as the children of Molly Pitts Coate, indicate that Henry was married twice. Molly's children as named in their grandfather, Henry's will, were: Sarah, Edney, Jehu and John. John was still a minor at the time of Henry's administration and he was the only one of his minor children for which a guardian was found in 1818. Apparently, Henry naturally expected his second unnamed wife to take care of his other four minor children. On 12/10/1821, the four youngest children, Hannah's and Henry's children also were placed under the guardianship of John Johnston. (C-1600, 2135E) This Henry Coates might have a son or brother Willie. Henry and Willie sold land to Joseph Toland in Newberry Co. on Nov. 1, 1785. The deed was not filed until 1804. Willie sold land in Newberry Co., SC in 1790, 1816, 1820 and 1823. (C-890)" > What are the ages and sources for some of these children of Little John... >As far as Little John goes, his children that we have for him other than >the two named in Annals of Newberry, were named in his will. Dates are >estimated for this family. Births of children are from abt 1772 to >1795. We have a couple of his kids exact birthdates. Little John died >bef. Dec 5, 1802. His estimated birthdate is around 1735. >Boy, I'm just so confused on all these William, Henry and Johns...what was >the dates for Little John, we know he died in whatever date his estate was >for...memory is on idle at this point...late 1700s was it...so that gives >him a birth date in the early or mid 1700s... > >So is this the John Coate that came with Henry from NC...? YES. > >Anything diffinate on the birth and death dates...? > HIS ESTATE WAS PROBATED ON DEC. 7, 1802 >How old was Henry, the father suppose to be? BORN IN 1700 IN NJ AND DIED ABOUT MAY 1784 IN NEWBERRY CO., SC. >Char >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda J. Dudick >Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 4:58 AM >To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Capt. Henry COATES > >JRC, > >Glad you are enjoying the discussion. We all keep each other on our >toes. The problem is that the deed that mentions Mary, wife of Henry is in >1792 and Henry son of Little John does not get married to Mary Long until >1808 if memory serves. Because the deed is land next to Little >John's.... my guess is that it's still his son Henry, but one who is an >unknown first wife. The other possibility is that the Henry who buys land >next to Little John in 1792 is the Henry Coate married to Mary/Molly Pitts >by 1784 whom we haven't figured out how he connects into the family >yet.... Many genealogies have placed him as theory as the son of Henry and >Esther Wilson Coate or brother to Little John... This all fits with the >facts above except for the fact that he appears to be much much younger >than Henry's other known sons.... by about 30 years.... > >Let's however flow with the idea that the 1792 deed for a Henry Coate is >the one that's married to Mary Pitts... Timing and name wise it does fit >because of the following. He marries Mary Pitts before 1784, he buys land >on Goose Pond in 1771 and again in 1772. He sells land on Goose Pond in >1790. He buys land in 1792 south of Newberry next to Little John's >Land??? .... No conflicts in time or in marriage.... He's also the only >other known Henry to have a wife named Mary. Worth a theory. > >At 09:21 PM 1/1/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Dear Coates Rootswebbers: > > I have been following the discussions about "Little" John COATES & > >also about his son Capt. Henry COATES with his wives. Someone mentioned he > >might have had a third wife because of finding him with a wife named Mary. > >Hasn't anyone mentioned that Polly is the nickname for Mary? Mary & Polly > >could both used in different deeds & documents for the same wife! Henry's > >two wives were sisters (1) Elizabeth Long; called "Betsy" (2) Mary Long > >called "Polly". > > Anyhow-it is nice to have my "Little" John COATES line discussed > once > >again on the Rootsweb. I appreciate all the hard work you all do. Thanks > for > >sharing your research so freely!!!!!!!!!!! You are the BEST!!! > > JRC > > > > > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== > > > > > > >---------- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at ><http://explorer.msn.com>http://explorer.msn.com

FYI...Char ----- Original Message ----- From: foxchaser Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 2:36 PM To: coats@hotmail.com Subject: Coles/Coats Saw your note of February 6, 1999 in the Cole family genforum. I'm looking for information on John Cole, Sr., an ancestor of mine. I couldn't find the scanned copy of the Bush River Baptist Church records you say are at your site. I did find John Cole's will, and William Cole's will there. I'd like to find out who his parent's were, and who his wife was. I've read, after the death of her husband Laughlin Leonard, he married Mary Golding, but I still don't have the name of his first wife. I descend through his daughter Frances who married Caleb Pitts. Then further through Caleb's daughter, Caty (Catherine), who married Amasa Pitts. Any help you could provide would be appreciated. Thank you. Frank T. Blankenship<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

http://www.lonesailor.org/ Quite a few Coats in here... This is a Navy Memorial...so if you or anyone you know were Navy, you can add a log for that person...my Uncle William James Coats is in here...and soon my son Robert Carl Armstrong There appears to be two W.J. Coats in here, my uncle is the one born in Bluejacket OK and there is a picture of him in here as well... Nifty site... Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

How do we know Henry Coats on Goose Pon had a wife named Mary...? What are the ages and sources for some of these children of Little John... Boy, I'm just so confused on all these William, Henry and Johns...what was the dates for Little John, we know he died in whatever date his estate was for...memory is on idle at this point...late 1700s was it...so that gives him a birth date in the early or mid 1700s... So is this the John Coate that came with Henry from NC...? Anything diffinate on the birth and death dates...? How old was Henry, the father suppose to be? Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda J. Dudick Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 4:58 AM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Capt. Henry COATES JRC, Glad you are enjoying the discussion. We all keep each other on our toes. The problem is that the deed that mentions Mary, wife of Henry is in 1792 and Henry son of Little John does not get married to Mary Long until 1808 if memory serves. Because the deed is land next to Little John's.... my guess is that it's still his son Henry, but one who is an unknown first wife. The other possibility is that the Henry who buys land next to Little John in 1792 is the Henry Coate married to Mary/Molly Pitts by 1784 whom we haven't figured out how he connects into the family yet.... Many genealogies have placed him as theory as the son of Henry and Esther Wilson Coate or brother to Little John... This all fits with the facts above except for the fact that he appears to be much much younger than Henry's other known sons.... by about 30 years.... Let's however flow with the idea that the 1792 deed for a Henry Coate is the one that's married to Mary Pitts... Timing and name wise it does fit because of the following. He marries Mary Pitts before 1784, he buys land on Goose Pond in 1771 and again in 1772. He sells land on Goose Pond in 1790. He buys land in 1792 south of Newberry next to Little John's Land??? .... No conflicts in time or in marriage.... He's also the only other known Henry to have a wife named Mary. Worth a theory. At 09:21 PM 1/1/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Coates Rootswebbers: > I have been following the discussions about "Little" John COATES & >also about his son Capt. Henry COATES with his wives. Someone mentioned he >might have had a third wife because of finding him with a wife named Mary. >Hasn't anyone mentioned that Polly is the nickname for Mary? Mary & Polly >could both used in different deeds & documents for the same wife! Henry's >two wives were sisters (1) Elizabeth Long; called "Betsy" (2) Mary Long >called "Polly". > Anyhow-it is nice to have my "Little" John COATES line discussed once >again on the Rootsweb. I appreciate all the hard work you all do. Thanks for >sharing your research so freely!!!!!!!!!!! You are the BEST!!! > JRC > > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== ==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Problem is I just can't seem to locate that book that tells us exactly how they were all related in SC...<g>...but I'm working on it...I might see if SC has any Baptist or Quaker records on microfilm... I've started indexing Book C of the Newberry deeds...boy, the microfilm is really light...some of the deeds can't even be read from the microfilm...what a shame to see these records like this...I guess it's no wonder a lot of records never survived...but maybe we can at least make them more accessible... I also found Clement Davis deed, don't recall who he sold it to...but it shows Marm as the only adjoining land owner and says it was on Reedy Creek...it's another of those really light deeds, about the first 300 pages are really light...these are still late 1700 deeds in this book...I'll pull a lot of them i.e. if they have a Coats name in it *anywhere* and if they might tell us what happened to some of the land after the plats were surveyed etc... We really need to start on the SC Archive for audio versions of these microfilm...they're really hard on the eyes...<g>.. Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda J. Dudick Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 2:34 PM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Little John Coats Charlotte, It's all your wonderful work that has allowed us to make some signficant gains on the Coates in the Carolinas..... so we thank you greatly! At 10:29 PM 1/2/2001 -0800, you wrote: >I think this is the or a Pemberton connection with the Coats I've seen in >the past...the LDS has a research file for Pemberton and Newbold and both >showed connections with the Coats and somehow they connected with the >Hoover line as well...I've seen the microfilm copies of these files...lots >of research, but like the rest of us they hit a brickwall in the Coats >line and just don't seem to try and carry it any further...although I >think both lines tired into Marmaduke and Ann Pool...probably using that >old Coats genealogy... > >But didn't that William that died in 1830 something in SC have a daughter >named Esther? I'm going through those records again...making some >annotations and seeing what I've missed or what might have meaning now >that didn't then...and see if I can place some of these deeds with some of >the other land records we have...i.e. Mottes and that Union County >Historical Society Plat map...it seems that Henry Coats on Goose Pon >Creek, sold 350 acres of land but in that later deed, it refered to 200 >acres originally surveyed or owned by Henry Coats...that likewise is a >perplexing situation...since his petition was also for 200 acres...so I'm >going to check that to make sure those are all the same or refer to the >same piece of land... > >Also I've seen on one of the GA lists were some of the Folks I think it >was in Columbia GA, had gone to Summner County TN...so I'm still thinking >some info out of GA might give us some additional clues on all this...I'm >just waiting on the letters from the Courts for permission to purchase the >microfilm... > >I've also ordered the Iredell and Guilford County NC land records and will >be ordering before the end of the week, the will records and probably some >estate records, i.e. accounts etc...for Iredell County, haven't gotten the >microfilm info on Guilford County NC yet... > >I'm also working on getting some more records out of PA...I might try some >of the early wills out of there...I don't think the land records revealed >anything new...but I did find a couple of Coats that were the Warrantee >but someone else was the Patentee...and of course it wasn't under the *C* >in the index so I've got to go through those and find that info again... > >It just takes time...<g>.... > >Char >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda J. Dudick >Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 2:37 PM >To: * Charlotte >Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Little John Coats > >I just read my info on William, son of Little John, and he had moved to >the Mississippi territory by 1800... so he probably wouldn't have been in >the 1802/4 land records. Does anyone know who the Henry and William Coate >and Esther and Richard Pemberton are living in Newberry Co., SC in 1802/4? > >At 09:05 AM 1/2/2001 -0800, you wrote: >>No, the unfortunate part is that it doesn not say who the widow is...but >>there is also a plat in the Archive, I think it was in Benjamin Long's >>estate papers in the Quity Court records, that shows, Benjamin Long with >>land on the north side of the Saluda and just next to it Capt Henry >>Long's land... >> >>I'm wondering if that Esther Pemberton is Esther the daughter of William, >>the one that died in 1830 something...didn't he have a daughter named >>Esther...I recall Dorothy and a son William, but don't recall he had a >>son named Henry... >> >>Hmmm, yes, I assumed it was the Beaverdam near Little River.... >> >>Char >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Linda J. Dudick >>Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:25 AM >>To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Little John Coats >> >>This 1802 or 4 Mortgage you talk about is very interesting. I haven't seen >>it.... Is there any indication who the "widow" is.... The William and >>Henry could easily be the known sons of Little John.... (not Big John who >>lives on Beaverdam Creek and who doesn't die until 1809).... Does anyone >>know who Esther and Richard Pemberton are??? so we can place this >>family. It could indicate a relationship between Big John Coates family >>and this Coates family so is definitely worth checking on the location of >>the property on Bigdam (as there were 3 Bigdam Creeks in Newberry Co.) and >>narrowing down who it refers too. >> >>At 11:48 PM 1/1/2001 -0800, you wrote: >> >Well, in the Archive also is the estate papers for Little John Coates and >> >Susannah his wife, Henry Coates was involved as well...and the papers call >> >him Little John Coates... >> > >> >But also in there is a Mortgage from William Coate, Henry Coate, Esther >> >Pemberton and Richard Pemberton to Joseph Toland in 1802 or 1804, I think >> >it is...anyway, they took out a mortgage on land on Beaverdam *where the >> >widow now lives*...sooooo, William, Henry and Mamduke are brothers? Or >> >who is this William and Henry? >> > >> >Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a >> >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> >> > >> > >> >==== COATES Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> >> >>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---------- >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >><http://explorer.msn.com/>http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >---------- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at ><http://explorer.msn.com>http://explorer.msn.com ==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Charlotte, It's all your wonderful work that has allowed us to make some signficant gains on the Coates in the Carolinas..... so we thank you greatly! At 10:29 PM 1/2/2001 -0800, you wrote: >I think this is the or a Pemberton connection with the Coats I've seen in >the past...the LDS has a research file for Pemberton and Newbold and both >showed connections with the Coats and somehow they connected with the >Hoover line as well...I've seen the microfilm copies of these files...lots >of research, but like the rest of us they hit a brickwall in the Coats >line and just don't seem to try and carry it any further...although I >think both lines tired into Marmaduke and Ann Pool...probably using that >old Coats genealogy... > >But didn't that William that died in 1830 something in SC have a daughter >named Esther? I'm going through those records again...making some >annotations and seeing what I've missed or what might have meaning now >that didn't then...and see if I can place some of these deeds with some of >the other land records we have...i.e. Mottes and that Union County >Historical Society Plat map...it seems that Henry Coats on Goose Pon >Creek, sold 350 acres of land but in that later deed, it refered to 200 >acres originally surveyed or owned by Henry Coats...that likewise is a >perplexing situation...since his petition was also for 200 acres...so I'm >going to check that to make sure those are all the same or refer to the >same piece of land... > >Also I've seen on one of the GA lists were some of the Folks I think it >was in Columbia GA, had gone to Summner County TN...so I'm still thinking >some info out of GA might give us some additional clues on all this...I'm >just waiting on the letters from the Courts for permission to purchase the >microfilm... > >I've also ordered the Iredell and Guilford County NC land records and will >be ordering before the end of the week, the will records and probably some >estate records, i.e. accounts etc...for Iredell County, haven't gotten the >microfilm info on Guilford County NC yet... > >I'm also working on getting some more records out of PA...I might try some >of the early wills out of there...I don't think the land records revealed >anything new...but I did find a couple of Coats that were the Warrantee >but someone else was the Patentee...and of course it wasn't under the *C* >in the index so I've got to go through those and find that info again... > >It just takes time...<g>.... > >Char >----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda J. Dudick >Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 2:37 PM >To: * Charlotte >Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Little John Coats > >I just read my info on William, son of Little John, and he had moved to >the Mississippi territory by 1800... so he probably wouldn't have been in >the 1802/4 land records. Does anyone know who the Henry and William Coate >and Esther and Richard Pemberton are living in Newberry Co., SC in 1802/4? > >At 09:05 AM 1/2/2001 -0800, you wrote: >>No, the unfortunate part is that it doesn not say who the widow is...but >>there is also a plat in the Archive, I think it was in Benjamin Long's >>estate papers in the Quity Court records, that shows, Benjamin Long with >>land on the north side of the Saluda and just next to it Capt Henry >>Long's land... >> >>I'm wondering if that Esther Pemberton is Esther the daughter of William, >>the one that died in 1830 something...didn't he have a daughter named >>Esther...I recall Dorothy and a son William, but don't recall he had a >>son named Henry... >> >>Hmmm, yes, I assumed it was the Beaverdam near Little River.... >> >>Char >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Linda J. Dudick >>Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:25 AM >>To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Little John Coats >> >>This 1802 or 4 Mortgage you talk about is very interesting. I haven't seen >>it.... Is there any indication who the "widow" is.... The William and >>Henry could easily be the known sons of Little John.... (not Big John who >>lives on Beaverdam Creek and who doesn't die until 1809).... Does anyone >>know who Esther and Richard Pemberton are??? so we can place this >>family. It could indicate a relationship between Big John Coates family >>and this Coates family so is definitely worth checking on the location of >>the property on Bigdam (as there were 3 Bigdam Creeks in Newberry Co.) and >>narrowing down who it refers too. >> >>At 11:48 PM 1/1/2001 -0800, you wrote: >> >Well, in the Archive also is the estate papers for Little John Coates and >> >Susannah his wife, Henry Coates was involved as well...and the papers call >> >him Little John Coates... >> > >> >But also in there is a Mortgage from William Coate, Henry Coate, Esther >> >Pemberton and Richard Pemberton to Joseph Toland in 1802 or 1804, I think >> >it is...anyway, they took out a mortgage on land on Beaverdam *where the >> >widow now lives*...sooooo, William, Henry and Mamduke are brothers? Or >> >who is this William and Henry? >> > >> >Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a >> >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> >> > >> > >> >==== COATES Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> >> >>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---------- >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >><http://explorer.msn.com/>http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >---------- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at ><http://explorer.msn.com>http://explorer.msn.com

This came from Mary Meyer, an Abernathy researcher...sometimes I get emails as attachments and my browser won't let me cut and paste info into a new email anymore...long story...so that's where this came from...Char ****************** THE QUAKERS OF BUSH RIVER About three and a half miles Southwest of Newberry, hear Bush River, and one mile this side of old Langford's Mill (once called Mendenhall's Mill), can be seen among a patch of small oaks and hickories , the old Quaker cemetery. Here is silence, ever as a quiet reminder of a once large community of Friends, and their church which once stood by its side. Here the members that included many families within a radius of several miles, as far as Saluda River and Little River, would come on Sundays, spend the day,and with customary quiet humility and feelings of strict adherence to their religion, worhip God in their own way. Tradition is that nearly a thousand Friends are buried in the cemetery, most of them without markers. The first monument which attracts the visitor when he enters is the very tall, tapering monument in the family plot of Rev. Thomas Frean, who though he married in a Quaker family, lived among them, became a Methodist minister; and later changing his views as to his concepts of the Bible became a Baptist. Some of the large land owners in that community during the early periods were: Jacob Chandler, Israel Chandler, Timothy Pugh, Issac Jenkins, Sr. Isaac Kirk, John Kelly, Samuel Kelly, David Jones, Hugh O'Neall, Joseph Coppock, and others. The first Quaker settlers also included William Coats, William Miles, John Furnas, Rober Evans, David Jenkings , William O'Neall, Enos Elleson, William Wright, John Embree, Moses Embree, Benjamin and Joshua Inman, and Thomas Pearson. The friends, as the name typifies and represents the real name of the organization, were from Pa, The Quaker State. Some of the Quaker colonies from Pa. first settled in Western NC and on Bush River in SC before the Rev. War. The old Quaker Meeting House on Bush River became a central point for meetings. About 1796, some members living in the neighborhaood of Rocky Spring branch organized the Rocky Spring Meeting, and built there a small church on two acres of land which was given by Thomas Pearson, a well-to-do Quaker. The trustees were Samuel Miles and Samuel Teague(the latter was a small boy during the Rev. War, but having seen his father shot in the back by Tories, joined the American forces as soon as they would receive him. to take revenge upon them). Unique in their customs, having staid qualities of character, strict adherence to their church views, they were nevertheless citizens possessing much patriotism. Opposed to war they largely remained among themselves during the period of the Rev, but some of their young men became American soldiers after the war started. At a later time, during their monthly meetings their ministers preached against war. and at one meeting which was held at Wrightsboro Ga. in 1803 , Rev Zacariah Dicke, an evangelist, predicted a great internecine(??) war would come in the distant future. He said that the child was then born who would see it,and the civil war came fifty eight years later. A few years after this meeting in Ga. the Quakers sold their lands, manumitted their negroes, and moved to Ohio, from where many removed to the state of Indiana and other Northwestern states. The Quaker styles of clothes indicated much of their character, habits and thoroughness. The men wore broad-brimmed hats, with low crowns, straight-breasted with collars, coats, knee breeches without suspenders of plainest colors, held up by large buttons, plainly visible on the shirts or bodies. The women wore white beavers having more indentations for crowns, brims about six inches every way, and secured on the head by plain white ribbons, passing through loops; or the plain silk bonners called hoods, long waisted gowns or petticoats that spread out in wide circles, and touching the gound. When the Friends moved to Ohio, other colonies moved to that state from Wrightsborough, Ga. and from Guildford Court House, NC, about hte same time, Apparently they all had some agreement or understanding in regard to their leaving. Very few Quakers remained in Newberry but those that remained were gradually absorbed by other churches . Many Quakers descendants of the colony that left Bush River for the Northwest became distinguished citizens in their respective communities. One of the O'Neall family settled in Indiana (a small town in that state was named Newberry, for their native town in SC) Taken from NEWBERRY COUNTY-SOUTH CAROLINA - Historical and Genealogical Annals, by G.L. Summers --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.225 / Virus Database: 107 - Release Date: 12/22/00

I think this is the or a Pemberton connection with the Coats I've seen in the past...the LDS has a research file for Pemberton and Newbold and both showed connections with the Coats and somehow they connected with the Hoover line as well...I've seen the microfilm copies of these files...lots of research, but like the rest of us they hit a brickwall in the Coats line and just don't seem to try and carry it any further...although I think both lines tired into Marmaduke and Ann Pool...probably using that old Coats genealogy... But didn't that William that died in 1830 something in SC have a daughter named Esther? I'm going through those records again...making some annotations and seeing what I've missed or what might have meaning now that didn't then...and see if I can place some of these deeds with some of the other land records we have...i.e. Mottes and that Union County Historical Society Plat map...it seems that Henry Coats on Goose Pon Creek, sold 350 acres of land but in that later deed, it refered to 200 acres originally surveyed or owned by Henry Coats...that likewise is a perplexing situation...since his petition was also for 200 acres...so I'm going to check that to make sure those are all the same or refer to the same piece of land... Also I've seen on one of the GA lists were some of the Folks I think it was in Columbia GA, had gone to Summner County TN...so I'm still thinking some info out of GA might give us some additional clues on all this...I'm just waiting on the letters from the Courts for permission to purchase the microfilm... I've also ordered the Iredell and Guilford County NC land records and will be ordering before the end of the week, the will records and probably some estate records, i.e. accounts etc...for Iredell County, haven't gotten the microfilm info on Guilford County NC yet... I'm also working on getting some more records out of PA...I might try some of the early wills out of there...I don't think the land records revealed anything new...but I did find a couple of Coats that were the Warrantee but someone else was the Patentee...and of course it wasn't under the *C* in the index so I've got to go through those and find that info again... It just takes time...<g>.... Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda J. Dudick Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 2:37 PM To: * Charlotte Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Little John Coats I just read my info on William, son of Little John, and he had moved to the Mississippi territory by 1800... so he probably wouldn't have been in the 1802/4 land records. Does anyone know who the Henry and William Coate and Esther and Richard Pemberton are living in Newberry Co., SC in 1802/4? At 09:05 AM 1/2/2001 -0800, you wrote: No, the unfortunate part is that it doesn not say who the widow is...but there is also a plat in the Archive, I think it was in Benjamin Long's estate papers in the Quity Court records, that shows, Benjamin Long with land on the north side of the Saluda and just next to it Capt Henry Long's land... I'm wondering if that Esther Pemberton is Esther the daughter of William, the one that died in 1830 something...didn't he have a daughter named Esther...I recall Dorothy and a son William, but don't recall he had a son named Henry... Hmmm, yes, I assumed it was the Beaverdam near Little River.... Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda J. Dudick Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:25 AM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Little John Coats This 1802 or 4 Mortgage you talk about is very interesting. I haven't seen it.... Is there any indication who the "widow" is.... The William and Henry could easily be the known sons of Little John.... (not Big John who lives on Beaverdam Creek and who doesn't die until 1809).... Does anyone know who Esther and Richard Pemberton are??? so we can place this family. It could indicate a relationship between Big John Coates family and this Coates family so is definitely worth checking on the location of the property on Bigdam (as there were 3 Bigdam Creeks in Newberry Co.) and narrowing down who it refers too. At 11:48 PM 1/1/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Well, in the Archive also is the estate papers for Little John Coates and >Susannah his wife, Henry Coates was involved as well...and the papers call >him Little John Coates... > >But also in there is a Mortgage from William Coate, Henry Coate, Esther >Pemberton and Richard Pemberton to Joseph Toland in 1802 or 1804, I think >it is...anyway, they took out a mortgage on land on Beaverdam *where the >widow now lives*...sooooo, William, Henry and Mamduke are brothers? Or >who is this William and Henry? > >Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== ==== COATES Mailing List ==== Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Still need more help, please. >Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:40:44 -0500 >To: "* Charlotte" <coats@hotmail.com> >From: "Linda J. Dudick" <LDudick@Ancestrees.com> >Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Little John Coats > >I just read my info on William, son of Little John, and he had moved to >the Mississippi territory by 1800... so he probably wouldn't have been in >the 1802/4 land records. Does anyone know who the Henry and William Coate >and Esther and Richard Pemberton are living in Newberry Co., SC in 1802/4? > >At 09:05 AM 1/2/2001 -0800, you wrote: >>No, the unfortunate part is that it doesn not say who the widow is...but >>there is also a plat in the Archive, I think it was in Benjamin Long's >>estate papers in the Quity Court records, that shows, Benjamin Long with >>land on the north side of the Saluda and just next to it Capt Henry >>Long's land... >> >>I'm wondering if that Esther Pemberton is Esther the daughter of William, >>the one that died in 1830 something...didn't he have a daughter named >>Esther...I recall Dorothy and a son William, but don't recall he had a >>son named Henry... >> >>Hmmm, yes, I assumed it was the Beaverdam near Little River.... >> >>Char >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Linda J. Dudick >>Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:25 AM >>To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Little John Coats >> >>This 1802 or 4 Mortgage you talk about is very interesting. I haven't seen >>it.... Is there any indication who the "widow" is.... The William and >>Henry could easily be the known sons of Little John.... (not Big John who >>lives on Beaverdam Creek and who doesn't die until 1809).... Does anyone >>know who Esther and Richard Pemberton are??? so we can place this >>family. It could indicate a relationship between Big John Coates family >>and this Coates family so is definitely worth checking on the location of >>the property on Bigdam (as there were 3 Bigdam Creeks in Newberry Co.) and >>narrowing down who it refers too. >> >>At 11:48 PM 1/1/2001 -0800, you wrote: >> >Well, in the Archive also is the estate papers for Little John Coates and >> >Susannah his wife, Henry Coates was involved as well...and the papers call >> >him Little John Coates... >> > >> >But also in there is a Mortgage from William Coate, Henry Coate, Esther >> >Pemberton and Richard Pemberton to Joseph Toland in 1802 or 1804, I think >> >it is...anyway, they took out a mortgage on land on Beaverdam *where the >> >widow now lives*...sooooo, William, Henry and Mamduke are brothers? Or >> >who is this William and Henry? >> > >> >Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a >> >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> >> > >> > >> >==== COATES Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> >> >>==== COATES Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---------- >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >><http://explorer.msn.com>http://explorer.msn.com

Hello, Coates listers: Before we get any further, I have to make a correction in my data for Jesse Coate, son of Marmaduke "Duke" Coate. I went back to my grandfather's death certificate. It lists his father as Jesse LOVELACE Coate, not LOVELESS. I don't know if it make any difference but to me it spells out; it could be either one--Loveless or Lovelace--almost interchangable, depending on who was saying the name and their vocal accents. EXAMPLE: A record keeper hears Coate and writes Coats down because he knew a Coats family elsewhere. Take care, happy 2001, and good hunting Etta Cooper _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

After an internet search-I found these--hope they help someone CD3_012, COAT, HENRY (groom), HASKET, MARY (bride), Feb 7, 1793, SC Marriage records 1693-1842 CD3_012, COATS, WILLIAM (groom), GREEN, MARY (bride), Nov 17, 1757, SC Marriage records 1693-1842 CD3_012, COATS, THOMAS (groom), GEORGE, CATHARINE (bride), Mar 7, 1782, SC Marriage records 1693-1842 SOURCE: "SC-001 Edgefield Marriage Records-Carlee McClendon-Pottersville Museum, Rt3, Edgefield, SC SC-003 Marr & Death Notices, Southern Christian Advocate, Vol II 1861- 1867, Brent Holcomb SC-006 Marriage Notices In The SC Gazette And Its Successors 1732-1801, A. S. Salley, Jr. SC-010 North & South Carolina Marriage Records (1641-1885) SC-012 South Carolins Marriages 1688-1799. (1693-1842) South Carolina Marriages 1600-1820. (1755-1820) s.carolina.asc By: Judith Manley (jmanley" Etta Cooper _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

No, the unfortunate part is that it doesn not say who the widow is...but there is also a plat in the Archive, I think it was in Benjamin Long's estate papers in the Quity Court records, that shows, Benjamin Long with land on the north side of the Saluda and just next to it Capt Henry Long's land... I'm wondering if that Esther Pemberton is Esther the daughter of William, the one that died in 1830 something...didn't he have a daughter named Esther...I recall Dorothy and a son William, but don't recall he had a son named Henry... Hmmm, yes, I assumed it was the Beaverdam near Little River.... Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda J. Dudick Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:25 AM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Little John Coats This 1802 or 4 Mortgage you talk about is very interesting. I haven't seen it.... Is there any indication who the "widow" is.... The William and Henry could easily be the known sons of Little John.... (not Big John who lives on Beaverdam Creek and who doesn't die until 1809).... Does anyone know who Esther and Richard Pemberton are??? so we can place this family. It could indicate a relationship between Big John Coates family and this Coates family so is definitely worth checking on the location of the property on Bigdam (as there were 3 Bigdam Creeks in Newberry Co.) and narrowing down who it refers too. At 11:48 PM 1/1/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Well, in the Archive also is the estate papers for Little John Coates and >Susannah his wife, Henry Coates was involved as well...and the papers call >him Little John Coates... > >But also in there is a Mortgage from William Coate, Henry Coate, Esther >Pemberton and Richard Pemberton to Joseph Toland in 1802 or 1804, I think >it is...anyway, they took out a mortgage on land on Beaverdam *where the >widow now lives*...sooooo, William, Henry and Mamduke are brothers? Or >who is this William and Henry? > >Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> > > >==== COATES Mailing List ==== ==== COATES Mailing List ====<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>