Well, it's becoming quite obvious to me that the State of PA doesn't really want to deal with any research requests... I emailed the state archive to see if I could get an individual will record, they sent me the phone number for the register of wills...I called the register of wills and they sent me back to the state archive... Government...aaaarrrrrggggghhhhh Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Interested in info about Coates/Coats family prior to John Coates, Sr. > of Johnston County, NC.(mid to late-1700's) Our line is John Coates, > Sr., William Henry Coats,Sr., Thomas Coats, Charlie Jefferson Coates, > Ward Thomas Coates, Jane Wrenn Coates Benfield. Email Jack Benfield at > jmbenfield@earthlink.net

This is probably part of the problem in GA and PA, even if the records are in the 1700s....Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Frosty Landon Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:35 PM To: FOI-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: georgia gov.: excise personal information! see below for important "identity theft" legislation to watch, from Georgia . . . (if you have not yet seen the issue in your state, you WILL -- and the Georgia proposal raises most or all of the tough access issues that are up for debate almost everywhere over the growing concerns, real or imagined, that the Internet makes public records "too public." (in Virginia, a special study commission is expected to wrestle in the next 9 months with these same issues as they relate to e-filings in state courts; a similar study already is under way in the federal courts. (a few of the issues: what information is in the "sensitive-personal" category? once defined, should there be "opt in or opt out" rules for excising it? with paper records fading fast (and with technology making it easy to scan and upload, must there be uniform rules for paper and electronic information -- even if it means no access to some data? and should there be special carveouts for journalists -- approved by courts? -- to preserve some access, even though the public and many journalists oppose journalistic privilege? (we'll be talking about all of these issues at NFOIC's annual conference in Newport Beach, CA, in late May. Join us!) frosty Gov. Barnes backs bill to limit release of personal information in state files As a lawyer and legislator, Georgia's Gov. Roy Barnes earned a reputation as a defender of open government. But Wednesday he said too much openness with Social Security numbers and personal information in state records invites identity fraud. Barnes' floor leaders are expected to introduce legislation today removing Social Security numbers, bank account information, insurance and medical information, and references to a mother's maiden name from state records before they're released. Barnes acknowledged his proposal in some cases might mean "a little more work" for reporters, but said it doesn't compromise his open records advocacy. Defenders of public access, however, say it could have a chilling effect on access to important information. "A law intended to protect against identity theft can be stretched to keep the public from knowing about bus drivers with drunk driving records or child care workers with convictions for sexual offenses," said Hollie Manheimer, executive director of the Georgia First Amendment Foundation. The attorney for the Georgia Press Association said there are legitimate reasons for news organizations to obtain personal information to verify investigative reports, as the AJC did in 1999 to show that nearly 3,000 school employees had criminal records. GPA attorney David Hudson proposes allowing the information to be released to media organizations under court order, with safeguards. http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/epaper/editions/today/local_news_a3b8786f3528e16f006b.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 2001 Legislative round-up http://www.opengovva.org/legislative/legislature2001bills.htm +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit our new website: http://www.OpenGovVa.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Virginia's new FOI Advisory Council: http://dls.state.va.us/foiacouncil.htm Virginia's FOI Act (includes July 1, 2000 changes) http://opengovva.org/foia_acts/foia2000.htm An online archive of FOI opinions http://opengovva.org/opinions/opinions.htm +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Frosty Landon, executive director Virginia Coalition for Open Government Box 3094, Roanoke 24015 Voice 540.353.8264; Fax 540.774.0544 Subscribe to our free vcog-foi-alert list: vcog-foi-alert-subscribe@egroups.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Well, I WAS working on the Simpson line but got so horribly confused that I had to take a break from it. Haven't revisited them in a while, but intend to do so soon. John Coates wrote: > Yes Larry. Those are my thoughts. Of course, Sion has been very difficult to > tie down. You are working the Simpson's, right? Were they in LCT? > John > >John's theory regarding Sion seems to be the most plausible answer. And I > agree with him > >that the name "Simmons" could be a misnomer for "Simpson". Did I read your > posting > >correctly, John? If not, fire away. > > > >John Coates wrote: > > > >> The Thomas that was Wiley's brother was born around 1777. The Thomas born > in > >> 1803 (NC) could be the son of this Thomas or he could be the son of Solomon > > >> or John or Sion. I suggest Sion as there was Thomas Coats, orphan, bound > out > >> to Joshua Simmons to learn the trade of blacksmithing in LCT around 1815. > Sion > >> was married to Lucy Simpson. > >> > >> Just a thought. > >> > >> John from WA > >> > >> >NC...I think that Thomas might be the one John in WA is looking at as well....brother > > >> to his Wiley? Char > >> > > >> > >> Web Mail services provided by http://www.aa.net > >> > >> ==== COATES Mailing List ==== > >> Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: > >> http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar > > > >-- > >Larry D. Hamilton Coats > >P.O. Box 823 > >Aspermont, TX 79502 > > > > > > > > Web Mail services provided by http://www.aa.net > > ==== COATES Mailing List ==== > To > unsubscribe, send the command "unsubscribe" to > COATES-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > COATES-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) -- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502

I don't recall the origins of LCT, Charlotte, but will look around for the info. As to the paucity of info on Coats families in LCT, all I can say is that that is consistent with their almost nonexistent record in Rowan Co. NC. I really tend to believe that my Coats ancestors were the sort who just did not particularly trust government in any form, so consequently, they had as little to do with it as possible. Again, as John knows, there is at least a good chance that some of the Coats families in Rowan Co. NC had Regulator connections(a la the Merrell family). All this just MHO. * Charlotte wrote: > Well, I likewise was surprised to see that there were not many Coats > in this county in the early land records or even the index...but I > think the index I have starts in the 1900s again...I'll take another > look at that...was Lincoln County made from another county...? I'm > not up on that counties line changes? Char > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Coats > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:51 AM > To: * Charlotte > Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Lincoln Co. TN Coats info(perhaps > new?) > Yes, they were the only Coats found in LCT for 1836, which, > I have to admit, I found somewhat surprising as my Thomas(b. > 1803 NC)had a number of Coats aunts and uncles, most of whom > got there sometime around 1815 or so. Surely some of them > had to be on a tax list somewhere.....then again, this > family was generally situated in the SW part of LCT. Good > chance some of them leaked off southward into N. > Alabama.(????just speculation). > > * Charlotte wrote: > > > Isn't this Thomas the one related to John of WA Wiley...? > > were these the only Coats you found in this tax > > list....and born in SC...Gary is this your Thomas, the son > > of Thomas? born 1803...wow...not sure who that is? Guess > > 1803 would be too late for Thomas of SC kids...most > > interesting info though...thanks...every little bit > > helps....I've just ordered the next two rolls of film for > > Lincoln County TN Deeds as well....but I don't think I'm > > down into the 1800s yet with those....Char > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Larry Coats > > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:55 AM > > To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [COATES-L] Lincoln Co. TN Coats > > info(perhaps new?) > > This from the 1836 tax list for Lincoln Co. TN: > > > > District 22- Thomas COATE(which is, I'm sure, > > identical with Thomas > > Coats/Coots of LCT, b. SC c. 1803 and d. LCT > > 1874) > > > > District 2-John Coates > > Joseph J. Coats(15 acres in Dist. > > 2) > > > > These last two I am not sure about at all. In > > fact, I've not > > encountered a Joseph J. Coats in any of the LCT > > families, so I am left > > wondering who the heck he was. Any > > assessments/opinions? > > Regards to all, > > > > -- > > Larry D. Hamilton Coats > > P.O. Box 823 > > Aspermont, TX 79502 > > > > > > > > ==== COATES Mailing List ==== > > To > > unsubscribe, send the command "unsubscribe" to > > COATES-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) > > or > > COATES-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest > > mode.) > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > -- > Larry D. Hamilton Coats > P.O. Box 823 > Aspermont, TX 79502 > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502

John's theory regarding Sion seems to be the most plausible answer. And I agree with him that the name "Simmons" could be a misnomer for "Simpson". Did I read your posting correctly, John? If not, fire away. John Coates wrote: > The Thomas that was Wiley's brother was born around 1777. The Thomas born in > 1803 (NC) could be the son of this Thomas or he could be the son of Solomon > or John or Sion. I suggest Sion as there was Thomas Coats, orphan, bound out > to Joshua Simmons to learn the trade of blacksmithing in LCT around 1815. Sion > was married to Lucy Simpson. > > Just a thought. > > John from WA > > >NC...I think that Thomas might be the one John in WA is looking at as well....brother > to his Wiley? Char > > > > Web Mail services provided by http://www.aa.net > > ==== COATES Mailing List ==== > Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: > http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar -- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502

Yes, I am inclined to agree with this as well...not to mention some of those early land areas in TN really didn't have any governmental form...and in some cases a deed doesn't show up til the land is sold...or with the county lines changing the deed could be in another county...but I think there were just a lot of land records in TN that just weren't recorded in those early days... Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Coats Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:31 AM To: * Charlotte; COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Lincoln Co. TN Coats info(perhaps new?) I don't recall the origins of LCT, Charlotte, but will look around for the info. As to the paucity of info on Coats families in LCT, all I can say is that that is consistent with their almost nonexistent record in Rowan Co. NC. I really tend to believe that my Coats ancestors were the sort who just did not particularly trust government in any form, so consequently, they had as little to do with it as possible. Again, as John knows, there is at least a good chance that some of the Coats families in Rowan Co. NC had Regulator connections(a la the Merrell family). All this just MHO. * Charlotte wrote: Well, I likewise was surprised to see that there were not many Coats in this county in the early land records or even the index...but I think the index I have starts in the 1900s again...I'll take another look at that...was Lincoln County made from another county...? I'm not up on that counties line changes? Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Coats Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:51 AM To: * Charlotte Subject: Re: [COATES-L] Lincoln Co. TN Coats info(perhaps new?) Yes, they were the only Coats found in LCT for 1836, which, I have to admit, I found somewhat surprising as my Thomas(b. 1803 NC)had a number of Coats aunts and uncles, most of whom got there sometime around 1815 or so. Surely some of them had to be on a tax list somewhere.....then again, this family was generally situated in the SW part of LCT. Good chance some of them leaked off southward into N. Alabama.(????just speculation). * Charlotte wrote: Isn't this Thomas the one related to John of WA Wiley...? were these the only Coats you found in this tax list....and born in SC...Gary is this your Thomas, the son of Thomas? born 1803...wow...not sure who that is? Guess 1803 would be too late for Thomas of SC kids...most interesting info though...thanks...every little bit helps....I've just ordered the next two rolls of film for Lincoln County TN Deeds as well....but I don't think I'm down into the 1800s yet with those....Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Coats Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:55 AM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COATES-L] Lincoln Co. TN Coats info(perhaps new?) This from the 1836 tax list for Lincoln Co. TN: District 22- Thomas COATE(which is, I'm sure, identical with Thomas Coats/Coots of LCT, b. SC c. 1803 and d. LCT 1874) District 2-John Coates Joseph J. Coats(15 acres in Dist. 2) These last two I am not sure about at all. In fact, I've not encountered a Joseph J. Coats in any of the LCT families, so I am left wondering who the heck he was. Any assessments/opinions? Regards to all, -- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502 ==== COATES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send the command "unsubscribe" to COATES-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or COATES-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502 Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502 <br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Yes, Charlotte, that's the one. * Charlotte wrote: > And there is a Joseph Coate in SC...he's early on in the Kershaw > county area...oh, NC...I think that Thomas might be the one John in WA > is looking at as well....brother to his Wiley? Char > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Coats > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:11 AM > To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [COATES-L] Change one/1836 Tax list > Change one....meant to say Thomas Coats b.c. 1803 in NC, > not SC. Was > thinking of his wife's POB. Sorry. > > -- > Larry D. Hamilton Coats > P.O. Box 823 > Aspermont, TX 79502 > > > > ==== COATES Mailing List ==== > To > unsubscribe, send the command "unsubscribe" to > COATES-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > COATES-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502

Could this Joseph J. Coats be from the same family as William Joseph Coats who was born in TN in 1871 and moved to MO as a young man? Janna

Yes Larry. Those are my thoughts. Of course, Sion has been very difficult to tie down. You are working the Simpson's, right? Were they in LCT? John >John's theory regarding Sion seems to be the most plausible answer. And I agree with him >that the name "Simmons" could be a misnomer for "Simpson". Did I read your posting >correctly, John? If not, fire away. > >John Coates wrote: > >> The Thomas that was Wiley's brother was born around 1777. The Thomas born in >> 1803 (NC) could be the son of this Thomas or he could be the son of Solomon >> or John or Sion. I suggest Sion as there was Thomas Coats, orphan, bound out >> to Joshua Simmons to learn the trade of blacksmithing in LCT around 1815. Sion >> was married to Lucy Simpson. >> >> Just a thought. >> >> John from WA >> >> >NC...I think that Thomas might be the one John in WA is looking at as well....brother >> to his Wiley? Char >> > >> >> Web Mail services provided by http://www.aa.net >> >> ==== COATES Mailing List ==== >> Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: >> http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar > >-- >Larry D. Hamilton Coats >P.O. Box 823 >Aspermont, TX 79502 > > > Web Mail services provided by http://www.aa.net

MO State Archive has on the web a birth and death record project, they're asking for volunteers to transcribe them...you pick the county, they send the records, you put them on a spreadsheet and email them back to the archive... See how easy that is...just don't understand why some of the other archives can't do this...:( Char<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

I told him, I can't even get back that far to check it out yet...<g>.....Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Lovell Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 7:31 PM To: coats@hotmail.com Subject: I believe your Henry Pole married to Jane Neville could not have had Edward in 1609. Henry was executed at the Tower of London on 9 Jan 1539. If you would like any additional information, I would be glad to help. Thanks Jeff Lovell Genies Plus 198 Purchase St Milford, MA 01757 fax:508-478-0511 phone 508-473-7327 email: jlovell@kersur.net<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

I think this was in reference to deed records...apparently the PA Archive has microfilm of county records i.e. deeds however, they will not make copies of the microfilm...so I'm trying to locate another source? anyway, PA and NJ are just really frustrating to work with to say the least...I saw on another list where the LDS is at the Philly City Archive doing filming this week...but the person also said, the microfilm at the city archive is so old it's starting to just crumble...another reason for copies of these records...otherwise as noted below they'll get buried so deep we'll never find them...Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Ward.Childs@phila.gov Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:06 AM To: Coats@hotmail.com Subject: Microfilm Dear Ms. Coats: In reply to your e mail please be advised that the Department of Records no longer has an inhouse microfilm unit. Copies of any of our films would have to be made from the masters which are stored at National Undergroung Storage. To obtain permission to request copies of any films I suggest thet you contact Jeanne Reedy, Administrative Services Director, Department of Records, Room 156 City Hall, Philadelphia, PA 19107. Ward Childs City Archivist<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

The Thomas that was Wiley's brother was born around 1777. The Thomas born in 1803 (NC) could be the son of this Thomas or he could be the son of Solomon or John or Sion. I suggest Sion as there was Thomas Coats, orphan, bound out to Joshua Simmons to learn the trade of blacksmithing in LCT around 1815. Sion was married to Lucy Simpson. Just a thought. John from WA >NC...I think that Thomas might be the one John in WA is looking at as well....brother to his Wiley? Char > Web Mail services provided by http://www.aa.net

I really can't say. But this Joseph J. Coats, who was apparently "of age" in LCT in 1836 must not have stayed in LCT for long after that(IMO). I don't recall coming across him(or anyone similarly named) in LCT between 1840-1880. Perhaps this Joseph J. moved on to some other county in TN? JSClifft@aol.com wrote: > Could this Joseph J. Coats be from the same family as William Joseph Coats > who was born in TN in 1871 and moved to MO as a young man? > Janna > > ==== COATES Mailing List ==== > Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: > http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar -- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502

Which county in TN and MO ? Char ----- Original Message ----- From: JSClifft@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:38 AM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COATES-L] William Joseph Coats Could this Joseph J. Coats be from the same family as William Joseph Coats who was born in TN in 1871 and moved to MO as a young man? Janna ==== COATES Mailing List ==== Coates, Coate, Coats Digital Archive: http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Also there is a Joseph N. Coats living with William Coats and Cena in the Henry County MO census records in 1850...but we're not sure if it should be Joseph or Jasper N. Coats...Joseph in that census record is 21, I think it said or 20 years old I'd have to look to be sure...but he was older than William's later kids by quite a bit....Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Coats Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:11 AM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COATES-L] Change one/1836 Tax list Change one....meant to say Thomas Coats b.c. 1803 in NC, not SC. Was thinking of his wife's POB. Sorry. -- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502 ==== COATES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send the command "unsubscribe" to COATES-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or COATES-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.)<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

And there is a Joseph Coate in SC...he's early on in the Kershaw county area...oh, NC...I think that Thomas might be the one John in WA is looking at as well....brother to his Wiley? Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Coats Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:11 AM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COATES-L] Change one/1836 Tax list Change one....meant to say Thomas Coats b.c. 1803 in NC, not SC. Was thinking of his wife's POB. Sorry. -- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502 ==== COATES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send the command "unsubscribe" to COATES-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or COATES-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.)<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Isn't this Thomas the one related to John of WA Wiley...? were these the only Coats you found in this tax list....and born in SC...Gary is this your Thomas, the son of Thomas? born 1803...wow...not sure who that is? Guess 1803 would be too late for Thomas of SC kids...most interesting info though...thanks...every little bit helps....I've just ordered the next two rolls of film for Lincoln County TN Deeds as well....but I don't think I'm down into the 1800s yet with those....Char ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Coats Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:55 AM To: COATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [COATES-L] Lincoln Co. TN Coats info(perhaps new?) This from the 1836 tax list for Lincoln Co. TN: District 22- Thomas COATE(which is, I'm sure, identical with Thomas Coats/Coots of LCT, b. SC c. 1803 and d. LCT 1874) District 2-John Coates Joseph J. Coats(15 acres in Dist. 2) These last two I am not sure about at all. In fact, I've not encountered a Joseph J. Coats in any of the LCT families, so I am left wondering who the heck he was. Any assessments/opinions? Regards to all, -- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502 ==== COATES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send the command "unsubscribe" to COATES-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or COATES-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.)<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Change one....meant to say Thomas Coats b.c. 1803 in NC, not SC. Was thinking of his wife's POB. Sorry. -- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502