Does anyone know a new email address for Gary W. Coats of Oregon or Grandpa Joe? Thanks. Linda Coate

Interesting. Thanks. Linda Coats Family History wrote: > Ok, I've gotten a new book called: Quaker in South Carolina, Wateree > and Bush River, Cane Creek, Piney Grove and Charleston Meetings by Rev > Silas Lucas > > on page 21 under Pine Tree Hill chapter - by the way, this little book > is about the Camden early folks including the Quakers, of interest to > some might be the map of Camden with plats on it as early as the > 1740s...a Samuel Wyly shows up in Camden as early as 1761...at any > rate on page 21 of the book: > > The Quaker sect, after planting their settlements, received few > accessions, and were steadily disintegrated or merged by marriage into > other denominations. Another cause of their decline, as expressed by > Colonel Shannon, was the "advancing civilzation of slavery." Says > O'Neall: "In the beginning Friends were slaveowners in South > Carolina. They, however, soon set their faces against it, and in > their peculiar language, they have borne their testimoney against the > institutuion of slavery as irreligious. Such of their members as > refused to emancipate their slaves, when emancipation was practicable > in this state, they disowned. Samuel Kelly, who was the owner of a > slave or slaves in 1762, when he came from Camden, refused to > emanncipate his, on the ground that he had bought and paid for them; > they were therefore his property; and that they were a great deal > better off as his property. He was therefore disowned. His brother's > children manumitted theirs." > > So be careful with blanket statements that Quakers did no own slaves.... > >

He cites Historic Camden, SC by Kirkland and Kennedy published 1905 for a lot of his material... >From what I can gather, it was first called Pine Tree Hill, Frederickburg township...then it was named Camden, the city much later....the area on both sides of the Waterees River below and above what is now Camden was known as *the Waterees, sometimes used to designate Fredrickburg, the township on the eastern side. Thomas Brown as an Indian trader during this time period of 1735. First land owners were: James Ousley 300 acres on western side of the Wateree River dated 1733, this land passed to Nebo Gaunt the Quaker, then Joseph Kershaw and then Henry Savage The earliest grant on the Camden side is in 1737, in which a group of families received percepts for land in Fredrickburg township: Adam Strain - family of 4 David Alexander - family of 2 James McGowan - family of 6 Hugh McCutchin - family of 2 Michale Harris - family of 1 William Seawright - family of 5 Robert Seawright - family of 1 recall it was 50 acres per each family member...also in 1736 there was a family murdered by the Indians in Pine Tree Creek...there are two creeks that run on the east side of Camden, Little Pine Tree Creek which runs off of Big Pine Tree Creek, which runs south of Camden William Seawright and Robert Seawright settled in Blemont Neck, just south of Mulberry; Hugh McCutchin, Michale Harris and James McGowen about seven miles southeast of Camden, on waters of Swift Creek; Adam Strain and David Alexander cannot be precisely located, but were probably with hailing distance of some of the others - they were all located along the Wateree River just west of what is now Camden...there are no new settlers in this area until about 6 years later and from 1743 to 1750 there were 36 additional families that arrive and settle in around round Pine Tree Hill, which later becomes the City of Camden...others settled outside of Fredrickburg in the wilds of Gum Swamp which was northeast of Camden; Howard and Gamble took land on White Oak Creek; Mahaffy and Brannon on Grannys Quarter Cree and Ragland in 1749 on Ragland Creek, which was named after him. On the western side of the River there was Wright on Wrights Branch, Gibsons, Paine, Harrison, Hill, Russell, Gregory, Paget, Scott, Roberts, Arledge, McKenzie and others.... In 1750-51 came a group of Irish Quakers, who came most probably via the river and landed near Camden, precise date not known. Earliest grant is in 1751 to Josiah Tomlinson in West Wateree and Robert Milhouse 1751 in Friends Neck in West Wateree among this group: Milhouse, Daniel Mathis and Sophia his wife, English, John Belton, Abraham Belton who did not come out until late 1770s, Evans, John Wright; Samuel Kelly and Hannah Belton, his wife; Russell; Josiah Tomlinson; John Furnass; Nebo Gaunt; Samuel Wyly and Dinah Milhouse his wife; Adamson, in most cases several of each surname. Not sure all these are Quaker: Thomas; Buxton, Haley, Moon, Melone, Widos, Plunkett, Morgridge, Watson, Toland, Tod, Cook, Christmas, Downing, Dunsworth, Finin, Courson, Cain...it was some eight or ten years after the arrival of these Quakers before a single one of their number or any other person obtained a grant for any land now within the boundaries od Camden. Samuel Wyly, surveyor and merchant, of whom much has been said in the Indian Chapter, acquired the tracts of Bryan Rork, Roger Paget and William Bready, lying to the Southwest of Camden just beyond the Cemetery, now the Smyrl place. His dwelling must have been beyond the town limits for although his son, Samuel was born in 1756, yet Samuel Mathis born four years later, is accredited as the first male native to Camden. He went first to Willamsburg and came to Fredrickburg in 1752, a year later than his other Friends but from that time to his death, sixteen years after, he was the most prominent member of the colony and his store its chief center and nucleus, until the coming of Joseph Kershaw. The business of Wyly & Co., conducted by his sons, existed during the Revolution. North of Wyly between the river toll bridge road and the Indian Mound, John Belton, surveyor located purchasing the tracts of Mark Catterton...several families settle on Pine Tree Creek and the Milhouses on Town Creek and Swift Creek and some on Spears Creek about 13 miles south of Camden...Quakers settled on West Wateree, such as the Gaunts, Kellys and Evanses. Their meeting house and graveyard were on the eastern side within what is now the city limits of Camden...Samuel Wyly in 1758 deeded the land for the cemetery...the meeting house has long been obliterated the Quaker graves likewise have been encroached upon bt some evidently ancient are still marked by a mere arching of bricks...the Quaker lot was enlarged from time to time and is now the present Cemetery for Camden - 1806 Robert Evans was married in Camden and then went to Newberry, he married Keren Happuch Gaunt. Samuel Kelly settled in West Wateree, north of Camden, he was from Kings County, Ireland and his wife, Hannah Belton, of Queens County, a sister of John Belton. John Furnass and Robert Evans went to Newberry from Camden as did Samuel Kelly...Samuel Wyly remained at Pine Tree Hill... Names among the Quakers although not Quaker - 1750-1755, John Cantey, Francis Lee, Richard Kirkland and Joseph Kirkland, Joseph Mickle, John Drakeford, William Boykin, ...among many others... Just where the store of Samuel Wyly was situated nothing has been found to determine. He became, however, quite a landowner; more later... -- A shameless plug for my web activities: Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! Indian Arts and Craft Act: http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org Cherokee Basketweaving Books: http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving Cherokee Artists Association http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org Cherokees of Orange County http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org Coats Archive: http://www.coatsarchive.us Pages Through Time http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime

Does anyone have knowledge of a family with 2 sons in it named William and James Coats? William would have been born in the 1760's and James would have been born in the later 1770's. Thanks. Linda Coate

Ok, I've gotten a new book called: Quaker in South Carolina, Wateree and Bush River, Cane Creek, Piney Grove and Charleston Meetings by Rev Silas Lucas on page 21 under Pine Tree Hill chapter - by the way, this little book is about the Camden early folks including the Quakers, of interest to some might be the map of Camden with plats on it as early as the 1740s...a Samuel Wyly shows up in Camden as early as 1761...at any rate on page 21 of the book: The Quaker sect, after planting their settlements, received few accessions, and were steadily disintegrated or merged by marriage into other denominations. Another cause of their decline, as expressed by Colonel Shannon, was the "advancing civilzation of slavery." Says O'Neall: "In the beginning Friends were slaveowners in South Carolina. They, however, soon set their faces against it, and in their peculiar language, they have borne their testimoney against the institutuion of slavery as irreligious. Such of their members as refused to emancipate their slaves, when emancipation was practicable in this state, they disowned. Samuel Kelly, who was the owner of a slave or slaves in 1762, when he came from Camden, refused to emanncipate his, on the ground that he had bought and paid for them; they were therefore his property; and that they were a great deal better off as his property. He was therefore disowned. His brother's children manumitted theirs." So be careful with blanket statements that Quakers did no own slaves.... -- A shameless plug for my web activities: Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! Indian Arts and Craft Act: http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org Cherokee Basketweaving Books: http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving Cherokee Artists Association http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org Cherokees of Orange County http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org Coats Archive: http://www.coatsarchive.us Pages Through Time http://stores.lulu.com/pagesthroughtime

The FamilyTreeDNA page appears to be up and running again. I've also improved the Family Lineage Page that includes that DNA data now if you'd like to take a look. It's at http://www.ancestrees.com/dna/family.html. Thank you to all of you whom are handing in your genealogy with SOURCES and links to your specific webpages. Those whom still need to submit there data, please use the following guidelines: 1. Submit only those generations which are proven. If you include theory, clearly state that and provide your detailed reasoning. 2. Always submit major sources proving your lineage. The lineage is only as good as your sourcing. 3. Leave off living generations. 4. Provide your email address if you wish fellow researchers and possible cousins to contact you. 5. Include your kit number if you have that on hand. If you've omitted and of this info from what you have submitted, please follow up with improvements. THANKS from all of us! Linda Coate and John W. Coats

I just talked with FamilyTree DNA. Our Y-DNA results website is currently down. They are in the middle of trying to fix a problem with their servers and this is a top priority of their computer technical team. It's been going on for the last few days - but they did not say they have a solution, simply that they were working on it. If and when anyone gets it to work at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/coats/, let us all know! Thanks. Linda Coate

We have another new Coats DNA test that's been ordered! Great. Thank you to the person helping further this groups knowledge. Linda Coate

I'd forward any directly to me with any that have a Coates researchers' email address on them. That would be great though I wonder if I can deal with the load. :) Yes, my letter eventually came through. I think she reads each one of mine first. Any where I've tried to help people know how to submit their info hasn't made it up. I'll treat that as funny. :) Linda John Coats wrote: > Linda Coate wrote: Linda; This one came through. I don't know > anything about a "wrap". I was thinking of forwarding all the history > and links that Charlotte put on the list before she went private. I've > kept most, and there is a ton of it. Some others might benefit. What do > you think? > > >> There is a wonderful fairly new site for Curry Rivel Parish, Somerset, >> England that has transcribed baptismal, and marriage records. Here is >> one of the names I had not seen published any where else before and it's >> a line that hasn't been traced forward in our discussions. It's at: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~davidbeare/CurryRivel/index.html >> >> >> 35 11 M John Coatt s/o Marmaduke Rebekah 26 JAN 1690/1 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

There is a wonderful fairly new site for Curry Rivel Parish, Somerset, England that has transcribed baptismal, and marriage records. Here is one of the names I had not seen published any where else before and it's a line that hasn't been traced forward in our discussions. It's at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~davidbeare/CurryRivel/index.html 35 11 M John Coatt s/o Marmaduke Rebekah 26 JAN 1690/1

Linda Coate wrote: Linda; This one came through. I don't know anything about a "wrap". I was thinking of forwarding all the history and links that Charlotte put on the list before she went private. I've kept most, and there is a ton of it. Some others might benefit. What do you think? >There is a wonderful fairly new site for Curry Rivel Parish, Somerset, >England that has transcribed baptismal, and marriage records. Here is >one of the names I had not seen published any where else before and it's >a line that hasn't been traced forward in our discussions. It's at: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~davidbeare/CurryRivel/index.html > > >35 11 M John Coatt s/o Marmaduke Rebekah 26 JAN 1690/1 > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Dear List; Linda Coate is now updating our DNA family histories on her website. If you want to update your family history or delete it, now is the time. Please e-mail Linda at lcoate@ancestrees.com, with your comments, questions or an updated family history. John Wayne Coats

Dear group; Your DNA table of results will now be posted at Linda Coate's website which is ancestrees.com, so you can put that in your browser and find it. If you want to upload your line, you can do so by sending it to lcoate@ancestrees.com. We're extremely grateful that Linda is willing to take on this task. John W.

I know someone on the list has done this DNA, and this may help. John W -------- Original Message -------- Subject: B F Coats in Coryell Co., TX Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:11:54 -0500 From: Sherry Lawrence <sllwin@htcomp.net> To: John W. Coats <jwcoats@htc.net> Hi John, I don't think I was able to locate any information on your relative, B F Coats. The Coates family that was here in Coryell Co. was founded by William Duval Coates who was married to Eliza Winifred Powell. His parents were Pollard Hickman Coates and Martha Smith Coates. The W D Coates family came to Coryell Co. about 1855 from Harrison Co., MS. They apparently also lived in several other Mississippi counties: Pike, Madison, and Holmes. None of their children matched with the John A. and B F Coats you were looking for. The only Coats/Coates burials we have records for are for the WD Coates family. If you would like copies of the materials I found on this family let me know. If you would like to make a donation for this research please make your check payable to Coryell County Genealogical Society and mail to Coryell County Genealogical Society %Sherry Lawrence Gatesville Public Library 111 N. 8th. Street Gatesville, TX 76528 We are always glad to get donations but don't feel obligated since I didn't find the information you were seeking. Sherry Lawrence

Hope this will be of value to someone. John W -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [CARROLL] CARROLL Digest, Vol 3, Issue 75 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:40:28 EDT From: EUZELIA@aol.com Reply-To: carroll@rootsweb.com To: carroll@rootsweb.com You might want to check out _www.findagrave.com_ (http://www.findagrave.com) first. Joy In a message dated 4/19/2008 3:02:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, carroll-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. Offer - Sampson County, NC (Janet Rogers) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:08:02 -0400 From: "Janet Rogers" <rogers922@intrstar.net> Subject: [CARROLL] Offer - Sampson County, NC To: "CARROLL-L" <CARROLL@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <6AD707BD2A474BDCA6AF072095FF6A15@JanetPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi there, I would be willing to go to local cemeteries and photograph the headstones of your Carrolls in Sampson County, NC, where I live. All I ask is that you be patient (may take a week or two before I get there) and that you be specific in who you want photographed, meaning, tell me what cemetery they are located in. The names of the towns in Sampson County, NC are: Clinton (County Seat) Roseboro Autryville Salemburg Harrells Midway Spivey's Corner Newton Grove Turkey Garland Let me know if I can help. This is also most helpful when trying to distinguish dates of birth and death and collateral lines that may be buried in the same plot or very near by. Many Blessings, Janet Rogers ------------------------------ To contact the CARROLL list administrator, send an email to CARROLL-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CARROLL mailing list, send an email to CARROLL@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARROLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of CARROLL Digest, Vol 3, Issue 75 ************************************** **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARROLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John.... I loved your letter. I'm overbooking myself too with a great deal of fun and satisfaction. It would have been great if you were interested though. Take care. Linda Coate JCoats5982@aol.com wrote: > John, > > Whoa!!! I am longer in the tooth than you so really don't want to take on > another responsibility. Like you, I have sort of finished with the Coats > research since I can't seem to get beyond Big John Coats. I think that Linda > would be willing to take the job on alone. She already has agreed to be > Co-administrator. Put your suggestion on hold until I can talk with you. I am tied > up essentially all day tomorrow and have a Symphony Concert to attend in the > evening. On Saturday we are leaving early to go to Indiana to celebrate > Helen's sister 80th birthday and won't be home until late. So- Sunday afternoon > I will give you a call ( I will be singing in the choir on Sunday morning). > > I did order Charlottes disk. It has already been shipped but is not here > yet. I am curious just what all is included on the disk. > > John H. > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

You guys are a hoot. :) Maybe there is someone else in the group that would like to keep a DNA page going for the Coats? It doesn't matter to me who does it, just so it gets done. Charlotte has given us a great example of a well functioning page and I'd like to see it kept up. I can do it if no one else wants to. I'm this recent retiree whom is really enjoying life and getting into so many volunteer projects. This can be one of them if needed. Linda Coate http://www.ancestrees.com JCoats5982@aol.com wrote: > John, > > Whoa!!! I am longer in the tooth than you so really don't want to take on > another responsibility. Like you, I have sort of finished with the Coats > research since I can't seem to get beyond Big John Coats. I think that Linda > would be willing to take the job on alone. She already has agreed to be > Co-administrator. Put your suggestion on hold until I can talk with you. I am tied > up essentially all day tomorrow and have a Symphony Concert to attend in the > evening. On Saturday we are leaving early to go to Indiana to celebrate > Helen's sister 80th birthday and won't be home until late. So- Sunday afternoon > I will give you a call ( I will be singing in the choir on Sunday morning). > > I did order Charlottes disk. It has already been shipped but is not here > yet. I am curious just what all is included on the disk. > > John H. > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

John, Whoa!!! I am longer in the tooth than you so really don't want to take on another responsibility. Like you, I have sort of finished with the Coats research since I can't seem to get beyond Big John Coats. I think that Linda would be willing to take the job on alone. She already has agreed to be Co-administrator. Put your suggestion on hold until I can talk with you. I am tied up essentially all day tomorrow and have a Symphony Concert to attend in the evening. On Saturday we are leaving early to go to Indiana to celebrate Helen's sister 80th birthday and won't be home until late. So- Sunday afternoon I will give you a call ( I will be singing in the choir on Sunday morning). I did order Charlottes disk. It has already been shipped but is not here yet. I am curious just what all is included on the disk. John H. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)

Getting old in the tooth, and other parts too, I'm kind of winding down on the Family History. Therefor, I'd like to be relieved of duty as the admin of the DNA project. I'd like to nominate Linda Coate and John Henry Coats as co-administrators, if they will accept it. Charlotte did us a great service by linking the DNA with the history. Hope all of you will help me to get Linda and John to accept the co-admins. The Coats-Coates-Coate Family History must continue. Who knows but that one of our kids may actually get interested, and then they won't have to reinvent the wheel. Linda and John, please let me know, and I'll call FamilyTreebyDNA.

Linda Coate has made an offer to house the DNA family files on her website - at this point I am uncomfortable sending those files to her...so for those of you that would like to have your family information on her site, I would suggest you email her... John is also going to make her the Co-Admin for the FTDNA site...so at this point all communications should be directed to either of them... John Coats jwcoats@htc.net Linda Coate lcoate@ancestrees.com Char -- A shameless plug for my web activities: Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! Indian Arts and Craft Act: http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: http://www.cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org Cherokee Basketweaving Books: http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving Cherokee Artists Association http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org Cherokees of Orange County http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org Visit the Family History Store at LuLu: http://www.pagesthroughtime.us Coats Archive http://www.coatsarchive.us