John, Thanks for all the info on James and John! Does anybody else know of other points in their lives where they lived in similar places beside Green, AL? Do we know where Major John Coats lived when he was young? This is really helpful. Linda John Coats wrote: > Dear List; The lineage I submitted came from the family history done by > DeLeonardis, paid for by Sue Coats-Sumrall. Most of the earliest line > cames from the Madison Coats Bible, which I've never seen a copy of, but > it must be out there somewhere. The line back to James Robert was > entirely correct as far as I can prove by wills, deeds, and censuses. It > shows the first five kids were born in Robertson County, Ky-Tenn, where > there definitely was a boundary line dispute, just as there was between > Ohio and Michigan. When those counties were split up, Robertson > definitely didn't get any records. They may be in Ky or Davidson, Tn. > There were probably two James Coatses in the war of 1812 from TN. Maybe > John R. served also, and that is where he got the Major. Later, both > families were in Green, AL. There are land transactions for John R. > Several of Jameses kids were born there before he moved to Lauderdale, > MS. James left a farm there with one of his kids. > > John W. Coats > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

He was from South Carolina...lol On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Linda Coate <lcoate@ancestrees.com> wrote: > John, Thanks for all the info on James and John! Does anybody else > know of other points in their lives where they lived in similar places > beside Green, AL? Do we know where Major John Coats lived when he was > young? This is really helpful. Linda > > John Coats wrote: >> Dear List; The lineage I submitted came from the family history done by >> DeLeonardis, paid for by Sue Coats-Sumrall. Most of the earliest line >> cames from the Madison Coats Bible, which I've never seen a copy of, but >> it must be out there somewhere. The line back to James Robert was >> entirely correct as far as I can prove by wills, deeds, and censuses. It >> shows the first five kids were born in Robertson County, Ky-Tenn, where >> there definitely was a boundary line dispute, just as there was between >> Ohio and Michigan. When those counties were split up, Robertson >> definitely didn't get any records. They may be in Ky or Davidson, Tn. >> There were probably two James Coatses in the war of 1812 from TN. Maybe >> John R. served also, and that is where he got the Major. Later, both >> families were in Green, AL. There are land transactions for John R. >> Several of Jameses kids were born there before he moved to Lauderdale, >> MS. James left a farm there with one of his kids. >> >> John W. Coats >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A shameless plug for my web activities: Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! Indian Arts and Craft Act: http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: http://cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org/ Cherokee Basketweaving Books: http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving Cherokee Artists Association http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org Cherokees of Orange County http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org Coats Archive: http://www.coatsarchive.us Pages Through Time http://www.pagesthroughtime.us

I do not believe at this time, that any of the groups below had any connections whatsoever with North Carolina! Prove me wrong....:) Char On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > Who is John R.? > > This is my understanding of this group: > > John Coats m Ann Dunnigan - who at times is called Maj. although > coming from the South that may or may not be a valid Military term... > > James Robert Coats m Elizabeth Webster > > William Coats m Francis - Newberry/Kershaw County SC > > We know from DNA that these groups are related but we don't know how > from the documents and I'm not sure we'll ever know, since so many > documents were destroyed in the South....we also know that at least > William Coats w Francis has documented connections with Notley Coats, > whose father is Charles Coats wife Sophia in Frederick/Montgomery MD - > Notley as well as at least one documented brother a James Coats and > other documents showing a connection with others in this SC > grouping... > > We have the documentation for John Coats m Ann Dunnigan their son was > James Green Coats, he was the executor in both their probates I > believe...that is a provable fact...as well as their other kids are > listed in the probates... > > I don't keep track of what is below other than in my line...but I > don't think unless old research is referenced or documented we can > rely on it... > > That's all I'm saying John....too many of these old histories have > been just accepted, I'd rather not do that with my family...however, > anyone else is free to do as they wish... > > There is indeed another James Coats in Bedford County TN who got a > land grant in TN from North Carolina, I suspect that is where the > North Carolina group of Coats and my line got mixed up... > > Look folks, provide me with documentation and I'm more than willing to > accept a line or good circumstancial evidence I will look at...but > with circumstancial evidence you can go a lot of different directions > on that... > > And I'd be just delighted to have someone disprove anything I say with > documentation...that is what research is all about....:) > > Family stories are great to a certain extent but unless you can > provide some type of references, they are just family stories...recall > at least two branches of my family have a story of a James Coats early > ancestor...that is still possible but if I'm too hard in that > direction I might miss clues that would take me to documentation that > could really connect this family with their past and I'd just rather > not do that.... > > So that's where I'm coming from...much conflict in family lines, not a > lot of answers yet....:) > > Char > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 8:31 AM, John Coats <jwcoats@htc.net> wrote: >> Dear List; The lineage I submitted came from the family history done by >> DeLeonardis, paid for by Sue Coats-Sumrall. Most of the earliest line >> cames from the Madison Coats Bible, which I've never seen a copy of, but >> it must be out there somewhere. The line back to James Robert was >> entirely correct as far as I can prove by wills, deeds, and censuses. It >> shows the first five kids were born in Robertson County, Ky-Tenn, where >> there definitely was a boundary line dispute, just as there was between >> Ohio and Michigan. When those counties were split up, Robertson >> definitely didn't get any records. They may be in Ky or Davidson, Tn. >> There were probably two James Coatses in the war of 1812 from TN. Maybe >> John R. served also, and that is where he got the Major. Later, both >> families were in Green, AL. There are land transactions for John R. >> Several of Jameses kids were born there before he moved to Lauderdale, >> MS. James left a farm there with one of his kids. >> >> It is very easy to be negative and critical, but if we can't accept >> anything based on family histories, what reason is there to go on. We >> have to accept a small amount based on empirical evidence backed up by DNA. >> John W. Coats >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal > registration number before you buy!! 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One other thing...we also have documentation that John Coats in Logan County KY is the same John Coats that gives the power of attorney for the sale of land in Kershaw County SC...now is this John Coats wife Ann Dunnigan, he was suppose to have gone through Knox or McMinn County TN...if he did there is no record of him there...but we have a solid documented record of a John Coats in Logan County KY with a connection to Chester/Kershaw County...so one could conclude that John Coats wife Ann Dunnigan is the John in Logan County KY passing through maybe Knox or McMinn Counties in TN but I suspect you'll spend a ton of time trying to find documentation of that... I have an old history that shows Sylvester Baker as Ann Baker Coats father, with documentation we've disproven that, her ather was John Baker out of Wilson County TN...so it can be done...but it takes a lot of digging... The other problem is that so many of these birth dates are just plain guesses or estimates... Char On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Coats Family History <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > Who is John R.? > > This is my understanding of this group: > > John Coats m Ann Dunnigan - who at times is called Maj. although > coming from the South that may or may not be a valid Military term... > > James Robert Coats m Elizabeth Webster > > William Coats m Francis - Newberry/Kershaw County SC > > We know from DNA that these groups are related but we don't know how > from the documents and I'm not sure we'll ever know, since so many > documents were destroyed in the South....we also know that at least > William Coats w Francis has documented connections with Notley Coats, > whose father is Charles Coats wife Sophia in Frederick/Montgomery MD - > Notley as well as at least one documented brother a James Coats and > other documents showing a connection with others in this SC > grouping... > > We have the documentation for John Coats m Ann Dunnigan their son was > James Green Coats, he was the executor in both their probates I > believe...that is a provable fact...as well as their other kids are > listed in the probates... > > I don't keep track of what is below other than in my line...but I > don't think unless old research is referenced or documented we can > rely on it... > > That's all I'm saying John....too many of these old histories have > been just accepted, I'd rather not do that with my family...however, > anyone else is free to do as they wish... > > There is indeed another James Coats in Bedford County TN who got a > land grant in TN from North Carolina, I suspect that is where the > North Carolina group of Coats and my line got mixed up... > > Look folks, provide me with documentation and I'm more than willing to > accept a line or good circumstancial evidence I will look at...but > with circumstancial evidence you can go a lot of different directions > on that... > > And I'd be just delighted to have someone disprove anything I say with > documentation...that is what research is all about....:) > > Family stories are great to a certain extent but unless you can > provide some type of references, they are just family stories...recall > at least two branches of my family have a story of a James Coats early > ancestor...that is still possible but if I'm too hard in that > direction I might miss clues that would take me to documentation that > could really connect this family with their past and I'd just rather > not do that.... > > So that's where I'm coming from...much conflict in family lines, not a > lot of answers yet....:) > > Char > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 8:31 AM, John Coats <jwcoats@htc.net> wrote: >> Dear List; The lineage I submitted came from the family history done by >> DeLeonardis, paid for by Sue Coats-Sumrall. Most of the earliest line >> cames from the Madison Coats Bible, which I've never seen a copy of, but >> it must be out there somewhere. The line back to James Robert was >> entirely correct as far as I can prove by wills, deeds, and censuses. It >> shows the first five kids were born in Robertson County, Ky-Tenn, where >> there definitely was a boundary line dispute, just as there was between >> Ohio and Michigan. When those counties were split up, Robertson >> definitely didn't get any records. They may be in Ky or Davidson, Tn. >> There were probably two James Coatses in the war of 1812 from TN. Maybe >> John R. served also, and that is where he got the Major. Later, both >> families were in Green, AL. There are land transactions for John R. >> Several of Jameses kids were born there before he moved to Lauderdale, >> MS. James left a farm there with one of his kids. >> >> It is very easy to be negative and critical, but if we can't accept >> anything based on family histories, what reason is there to go on. We >> have to accept a small amount based on empirical evidence backed up by DNA. >> John W. Coats >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > A shameless plug for my web activities: > > Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal > registration number before you buy!! 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Who is John R.? This is my understanding of this group: John Coats m Ann Dunnigan - who at times is called Maj. although coming from the South that may or may not be a valid Military term... James Robert Coats m Elizabeth Webster William Coats m Francis - Newberry/Kershaw County SC We know from DNA that these groups are related but we don't know how from the documents and I'm not sure we'll ever know, since so many documents were destroyed in the South....we also know that at least William Coats w Francis has documented connections with Notley Coats, whose father is Charles Coats wife Sophia in Frederick/Montgomery MD - Notley as well as at least one documented brother a James Coats and other documents showing a connection with others in this SC grouping... We have the documentation for John Coats m Ann Dunnigan their son was James Green Coats, he was the executor in both their probates I believe...that is a provable fact...as well as their other kids are listed in the probates... I don't keep track of what is below other than in my line...but I don't think unless old research is referenced or documented we can rely on it... That's all I'm saying John....too many of these old histories have been just accepted, I'd rather not do that with my family...however, anyone else is free to do as they wish... There is indeed another James Coats in Bedford County TN who got a land grant in TN from North Carolina, I suspect that is where the North Carolina group of Coats and my line got mixed up... Look folks, provide me with documentation and I'm more than willing to accept a line or good circumstancial evidence I will look at...but with circumstancial evidence you can go a lot of different directions on that... And I'd be just delighted to have someone disprove anything I say with documentation...that is what research is all about....:) Family stories are great to a certain extent but unless you can provide some type of references, they are just family stories...recall at least two branches of my family have a story of a James Coats early ancestor...that is still possible but if I'm too hard in that direction I might miss clues that would take me to documentation that could really connect this family with their past and I'd just rather not do that.... So that's where I'm coming from...much conflict in family lines, not a lot of answers yet....:) Char On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 8:31 AM, John Coats <jwcoats@htc.net> wrote: > Dear List; The lineage I submitted came from the family history done by > DeLeonardis, paid for by Sue Coats-Sumrall. Most of the earliest line > cames from the Madison Coats Bible, which I've never seen a copy of, but > it must be out there somewhere. The line back to James Robert was > entirely correct as far as I can prove by wills, deeds, and censuses. It > shows the first five kids were born in Robertson County, Ky-Tenn, where > there definitely was a boundary line dispute, just as there was between > Ohio and Michigan. When those counties were split up, Robertson > definitely didn't get any records. They may be in Ky or Davidson, Tn. > There were probably two James Coatses in the war of 1812 from TN. Maybe > John R. served also, and that is where he got the Major. Later, both > families were in Green, AL. There are land transactions for John R. > Several of Jameses kids were born there before he moved to Lauderdale, > MS. James left a farm there with one of his kids. > > It is very easy to be negative and critical, but if we can't accept > anything based on family histories, what reason is there to go on. We > have to accept a small amount based on empirical evidence backed up by DNA. > John W. Coats > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A shameless plug for my web activities: Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! Indian Arts and Craft Act: http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: http://cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org/ Cherokee Basketweaving Books: http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving Cherokee Artists Association http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org Cherokees of Orange County http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org Coats Archive: http://www.coatsarchive.us Pages Through Time http://www.pagesthroughtime.us

Dear List; The lineage I submitted came from the family history done by DeLeonardis, paid for by Sue Coats-Sumrall. Most of the earliest line cames from the Madison Coats Bible, which I've never seen a copy of, but it must be out there somewhere. The line back to James Robert was entirely correct as far as I can prove by wills, deeds, and censuses. It shows the first five kids were born in Robertson County, Ky-Tenn, where there definitely was a boundary line dispute, just as there was between Ohio and Michigan. When those counties were split up, Robertson definitely didn't get any records. They may be in Ky or Davidson, Tn. There were probably two James Coatses in the war of 1812 from TN. Maybe John R. served also, and that is where he got the Major. Later, both families were in Green, AL. There are land transactions for John R. Several of Jameses kids were born there before he moved to Lauderdale, MS. James left a farm there with one of his kids. It is very easy to be negative and critical, but if we can't accept anything based on family histories, what reason is there to go on. We have to accept a small amount based on empirical evidence backed up by DNA. John W. Coats

Thanks Paul. I'll get back with you as soon as I can, but I've got a rather full schedule the next few days. In the meantime, which Elijah Coates might you be related to? Do you know his birthdate? Thanks. Linda Coate pauldward2@juno.com wrote: > Linda, > > I believe that I do thru DNA from Gabriel Garrett Coates, > but we cannot connect before him on paper. > The DNA is a 37 point match to my cousin who is a Coates. > > > pauldward2@juno.com > > Paul Donnie Ward > ____________________________________________________________ > Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3norRpZcHCXZIOydCg62SkrHUYlU1UiybcjKVbKJ1e8Xb3uK/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

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Point taken. Uncle and Nephew are possible even though they were born 2 years apart. The 1st cousin, 8 times removed can be excluded because they are equal distant in time on the ladder back to common ancestors. However, it could be a 1st cousin, 1 times removed.... something close to that and still fit into the mathematical information that these tests give us. Let's not make this harder than it needs to be. What DNA evidence tells us is that James Robert and Maj. John Coats are very likely to be closely related. Is that better? Linda Coats Family History wrote: > This only means they have a possible common ancestor at some point > back those generations, they could be uncle, nephew as well...or 8th > cousins, what is that 1st cousins 8 times removed...we just don't > know...so you can't determine what that relationship is, other than > they have a common ancestor somewhere in there.... > > and that common ancestor could be anywhere within that time frame or > not...so be careful assigning relationships based on the DNA... > > They could be half brothers as well... > > This group somewhere has a common ancestor, we just don't know where.... > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Linda Coate <lcoate@ancestrees.com> wrote: > >> Here is a current chart to help everyone understand the likelyhood of >> how you are related to other members of your DNA group. What it means >> is that if you and another member match 12 out of 12 points, you have a >> 50% probability of being related within 7 generations (Look at Column 2, >> 3rd line down). If you match 37 out of 37 points, you have a 90% >> probability that you have your most recent common ancestor within 5 >> generations. >> >> So, let's look at the new findings in the James Robert/John/William group. >> Kit 13696 is the kit that has the average set of numbers for this >> group. It goes back through Maj. John Coats by his son John Green Coats. >> All the other kits have some variations from this kit. >> Major John Coats matches kit 54678 (ancestor Irving Coates) is 24 out of >> 25 loci. It means that they have a 90% chance of having their common >> ancestor anywhere within the last 16 generations. >> Ancestor Major John Coats matches Ancestor James Robert Coats kit in 36 >> out of 37 points. It means that they have a 90% chance of having their >> common ancestor anywhere within the last 8 generations. I believe >> that Ancestor Major John Coats and Ancestor James Robert Coats are 6 >> generations back from the descendant who participated in the project. >> (Please verify this or make corrections if this is wrong) If they are >> 6 generations back, then my previous letter was suggesting that we have >> a 90% likelihood that these two people are either 1st cousins or >> brothers. We know they aren't related more recently in time. If they >> have a common father at the 7th generation, they are brothers and if >> they have a common ancestor at the 8th generation, they are 1st cousins. >> We have a 10% chance that they aren't and a 90% chance that they >> are. We can use the math to help us formulate ways to research and >> think about our possible connections, all the while remembering there is >> a chance that the common ancestor goes back further. Does this make >> sense? Enjoy. You can find this table at the site listed below. >> Linda Coate >> >> Table 1. Probability for Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) *From: >> http://www.familytreedna.com/faq2.html >> >> *Number of >> matching markers >> Column 1 >> * >> >> *50% probability that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations >> Column 2 >> * >> >> *90% probability that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations >> Column 3 >> * >> >> *95% probability that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations >> Column 4 >> * >> *10 of 10* >> >> *16.5* >> >> *56* >> >> *72* >> *11 of 12* >> >> *17* >> >> *39* >> >> *47* >> *12 of 12* >> >> *7* >> >> *23* >> >> *29* >> *23 of 25* >> >> *11* >> >> *23* >> >> *27* >> *24 of 25* >> >> *7* >> >> *16* >> >> *20* >> *25 of 25* >> >> *3* >> >> *10* >> >> *13* >> *35 of 37* >> >> *6* >> >> *12* >> >> *14* >> *36 of 37* >> >> *4* >> >> *8* >> >> *10* >> *37 of 37* >> >> *2 to 3 * >> >> *5* >> >> *7* >> *65 of 67* >> >> *6* >> >> *12* >> >> *14* >> *66 of 67* >> >> *4* >> >> *8* >> >> *9* >> *67 of 67* >> >> *2* >> >> *4* >> >> *6* >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > >

It's also possible the common ancestor is back past Charles Coats in MD...the bottom line is they are related, they have a common ancestor, but we don't know who that is or where it is on the time line...we just don't have the documents to clear any of the relationships up for these three...so anything other than that is just speculation at this point... On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Linda Coate <lcoate@ancestrees.com> wrote: > Point taken. Uncle and Nephew are possible even though they were born > 2 years apart. The 1st cousin, 8 times removed can be excluded > because they are equal distant in time on the ladder back to common > ancestors. However, it could be a 1st cousin, 1 times removed.... > something close to that and still fit into the mathematical information > that these tests give us. Let's not make this harder than it needs to > be. What DNA evidence tells us is that James Robert and Maj. John > Coats are very likely to be closely related. Is that better? Linda > > Coats Family History wrote: >> This only means they have a possible common ancestor at some point >> back those generations, they could be uncle, nephew as well...or 8th >> cousins, what is that 1st cousins 8 times removed...we just don't >> know...so you can't determine what that relationship is, other than >> they have a common ancestor somewhere in there.... >> >> and that common ancestor could be anywhere within that time frame or >> not...so be careful assigning relationships based on the DNA... >> >> They could be half brothers as well... >> >> This group somewhere has a common ancestor, we just don't know where.... >> >> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Linda Coate <lcoate@ancestrees.com> wrote: >> >>> Here is a current chart to help everyone understand the likelyhood of >>> how you are related to other members of your DNA group. What it means >>> is that if you and another member match 12 out of 12 points, you have a >>> 50% probability of being related within 7 generations (Look at Column 2, >>> 3rd line down). If you match 37 out of 37 points, you have a 90% >>> probability that you have your most recent common ancestor within 5 >>> generations. >>> >>> So, let's look at the new findings in the James Robert/John/William group. >>> Kit 13696 is the kit that has the average set of numbers for this >>> group. It goes back through Maj. John Coats by his son John Green Coats. >>> All the other kits have some variations from this kit. >>> Major John Coats matches kit 54678 (ancestor Irving Coates) is 24 out of >>> 25 loci. It means that they have a 90% chance of having their common >>> ancestor anywhere within the last 16 generations. >>> Ancestor Major John Coats matches Ancestor James Robert Coats kit in 36 >>> out of 37 points. It means that they have a 90% chance of having their >>> common ancestor anywhere within the last 8 generations. I believe >>> that Ancestor Major John Coats and Ancestor James Robert Coats are 6 >>> generations back from the descendant who participated in the project. >>> (Please verify this or make corrections if this is wrong) If they are >>> 6 generations back, then my previous letter was suggesting that we have >>> a 90% likelihood that these two people are either 1st cousins or >>> brothers. We know they aren't related more recently in time. If they >>> have a common father at the 7th generation, they are brothers and if >>> they have a common ancestor at the 8th generation, they are 1st cousins. >>> We have a 10% chance that they aren't and a 90% chance that they >>> are. We can use the math to help us formulate ways to research and >>> think about our possible connections, all the while remembering there is >>> a chance that the common ancestor goes back further. Does this make >>> sense? Enjoy. You can find this table at the site listed below. >>> Linda Coate >>> >>> Table 1. Probability for Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) *From: >>> http://www.familytreedna.com/faq2.html >>> >>> *Number of >>> matching markers >>> Column 1 >>> * >>> >>> *50% probability that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations >>> Column 2 >>> * >>> >>> *90% probability that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations >>> Column 3 >>> * >>> >>> *95% probability that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations >>> Column 4 >>> * >>> *10 of 10* >>> >>> *16.5* >>> >>> *56* >>> >>> *72* >>> *11 of 12* >>> >>> *17* >>> >>> *39* >>> >>> *47* >>> *12 of 12* >>> >>> *7* >>> >>> *23* >>> >>> *29* >>> *23 of 25* >>> >>> *11* >>> >>> *23* >>> >>> *27* >>> *24 of 25* >>> >>> *7* >>> >>> *16* >>> >>> *20* >>> *25 of 25* >>> >>> *3* >>> >>> *10* >>> >>> *13* >>> *35 of 37* >>> >>> *6* >>> >>> *12* >>> >>> *14* >>> *36 of 37* >>> >>> *4* >>> >>> *8* >>> >>> *10* >>> *37 of 37* >>> >>> *2 to 3 * >>> >>> *5* >>> >>> *7* >>> *65 of 67* >>> >>> *6* >>> >>> *12* >>> >>> *14* >>> *66 of 67* >>> >>> *4* >>> >>> *8* >>> >>> *9* >>> *67 of 67* >>> >>> *2* >>> >>> *4* >>> >>> *6* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A shameless plug for my web activities: Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal registration number before you buy!! 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Does anyone have Elijah Coates in their ancestry who is married to Eleanor Hickman? Thanks. Linda Coate

Ahhh. The formatting blew when I forwarded the chart that helps us figure out our probabilities of how we're related to other members of our group. Good news. You can find it at: http://www.familytreedna.com/faq2.html Linda Coate

Here is a current chart to help everyone understand the likelyhood of how you are related to other members of your DNA group. What it means is that if you and another member match 12 out of 12 points, you have a 50% probability of being related within 7 generations (Look at Column 2, 3rd line down). If you match 37 out of 37 points, you have a 90% probability that you have your most recent common ancestor within 5 generations. So, let's look at the new findings in the James Robert/John/William group. Kit 13696 is the kit that has the average set of numbers for this group. It goes back through Maj. John Coats by his son John Green Coats. All the other kits have some variations from this kit. Major John Coats matches kit 54678 (ancestor Irving Coates) is 24 out of 25 loci. It means that they have a 90% chance of having their common ancestor anywhere within the last 16 generations. Ancestor Major John Coats matches Ancestor James Robert Coats kit in 36 out of 37 points. It means that they have a 90% chance of having their common ancestor anywhere within the last 8 generations. I believe that Ancestor Major John Coats and Ancestor James Robert Coats are 6 generations back from the descendant who participated in the project. (Please verify this or make corrections if this is wrong) If they are 6 generations back, then my previous letter was suggesting that we have a 90% likelihood that these two people are either 1st cousins or brothers. We know they aren't related more recently in time. If they have a common father at the 7th generation, they are brothers and if they have a common ancestor at the 8th generation, they are 1st cousins. We have a 10% chance that they aren't and a 90% chance that they are. We can use the math to help us formulate ways to research and think about our possible connections, all the while remembering there is a chance that the common ancestor goes back further. Does this make sense? Enjoy. You can find this table at the site listed below. Linda Coate Table 1. Probability for Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) *From: http://www.familytreedna.com/faq2.html *Number of matching markers Column 1 * *50% probability that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations Column 2 * *90% probability that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations Column 3 * *95% probability that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations Column 4 * *10 of 10* *16.5* *56* *72* *11 of 12* *17* *39* *47* *12 of 12* *7* *23* *29* *23 of 25* *11* *23* *27* *24 of 25* *7* *16* *20* *25 of 25* *3* *10* *13* *35 of 37* *6* *12* *14* *36 of 37* *4* *8* *10* *37 of 37* *2 to 3 * *5* *7* *65 of 67* *6* *12* *14* *66 of 67* *4* *8* *9* *67 of 67* *2* *4* *6*

This only means they have a possible common ancestor at some point back those generations, they could be uncle, nephew as well...or 8th cousins, what is that 1st cousins 8 times removed...we just don't know...so you can't determine what that relationship is, other than they have a common ancestor somewhere in there.... and that common ancestor could be anywhere within that time frame or not...so be careful assigning relationships based on the DNA... They could be half brothers as well... This group somewhere has a common ancestor, we just don't know where.... On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Linda Coate <lcoate@ancestrees.com> wrote: > Here is a current chart to help everyone understand the likelyhood of > how you are related to other members of your DNA group. What it means > is that if you and another member match 12 out of 12 points, you have a > 50% probability of being related within 7 generations (Look at Column 2, > 3rd line down). If you match 37 out of 37 points, you have a 90% > probability that you have your most recent common ancestor within 5 > generations. > > So, let's look at the new findings in the James Robert/John/William group. > Kit 13696 is the kit that has the average set of numbers for this > group. It goes back through Maj. John Coats by his son John Green Coats. > All the other kits have some variations from this kit. > Major John Coats matches kit 54678 (ancestor Irving Coates) is 24 out of > 25 loci. It means that they have a 90% chance of having their common > ancestor anywhere within the last 16 generations. > Ancestor Major John Coats matches Ancestor James Robert Coats kit in 36 > out of 37 points. It means that they have a 90% chance of having their > common ancestor anywhere within the last 8 generations. I believe > that Ancestor Major John Coats and Ancestor James Robert Coats are 6 > generations back from the descendant who participated in the project. > (Please verify this or make corrections if this is wrong) If they are > 6 generations back, then my previous letter was suggesting that we have > a 90% likelihood that these two people are either 1st cousins or > brothers. We know they aren't related more recently in time. If they > have a common father at the 7th generation, they are brothers and if > they have a common ancestor at the 8th generation, they are 1st cousins. > We have a 10% chance that they aren't and a 90% chance that they > are. We can use the math to help us formulate ways to research and > think about our possible connections, all the while remembering there is > a chance that the common ancestor goes back further. Does this make > sense? Enjoy. You can find this table at the site listed below. > Linda Coate > > Table 1. Probability for Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) *From: > http://www.familytreedna.com/faq2.html > > *Number of > matching markers > Column 1 > * > > *50% probability that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations > Column 2 > * > > *90% probability that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations > Column 3 > * > > *95% probability that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations > Column 4 > * > *10 of 10* > > *16.5* > > *56* > > *72* > *11 of 12* > > *17* > > *39* > > *47* > *12 of 12* > > *7* > > *23* > > *29* > *23 of 25* > > *11* > > *23* > > *27* > *24 of 25* > > *7* > > *16* > > *20* > *25 of 25* > > *3* > > *10* > > *13* > *35 of 37* > > *6* > > *12* > > *14* > *36 of 37* > > *4* > > *8* > > *10* > *37 of 37* > > *2 to 3 * > > *5* > > *7* > *65 of 67* > > *6* > > *12* > > *14* > *66 of 67* > > *4* > > *8* > > *9* > *67 of 67* > > *2* > > *4* > > *6* > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- A shameless plug for my web activities: Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! Indian Arts and Craft Act: http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: http://cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org/ Cherokee Basketweaving Books: http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving Cherokee Artists Association http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org Cherokees of Orange County http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org Coats Archive: http://www.coatsarchive.us Pages Through Time http://www.pagesthroughtime.us

Wow. That would be wonderful! I sure will be sending wishes on this one! Linda Steve Pearson wrote: > Dear Linda Et al > > Finally! > > I do believe we have located a James Coats of Colorado that descends from > William T Coats of Randolph Co., IN. who married Lucinda ( Smith ) Wheeler. > William is my great great grand uncle, brother to Susannah Coats who married > Silas Pearson ( both born Miami Co., OH and lived most of their life in > Darke Co., OH. ). I hope to call him soon and see if he's willing to do a > DNA test. Pray that he will otherwise I believe it may be the only way to > prove my Coats ancestry. > > Steve Pearson > Mt. Pleasant, MI. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Coate" <lcoate@ancestrees.com> > To: <Coates-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:23 PM > Subject: [COATES] New placement of one group > > > >> I have the new DNA results up. I've renamed the group to match the two >> oldest verified lines in that group. It's now in the middle of the list >> under the subheading: James R./John Coats. If there is anyone who'd >> like their kit # linked to their email address or to a family genealogy, >> you are invited to do so. Thanks. Linda Coate, Coats Family DNA Co-admin >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

That's interesting. Since we don't have a way to compare that anymore, I wondered what it was. Linda Coats Family History wrote: > oooops...my mistake, let's see, this latest test seems to show that > the John Coats married to Ann Dunnigan (James Green Coats and William > Washington Coats) has a closer relationship to William Coats married > Francis than to James Robert Coats m Elizabeth Webster.... > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Coats Family History > <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > >> James appears from this latest test to be more closely related to >> William than John R.... >> >> The secondary info at Ancestry has not been confirmed with any primary >> source records from the New England area records....New England by the >> way has very good records, so there is no need to rely on secondary >> info at Ancestry...so that connection with Charles Coats and Thankful, >> I was not able to find any records to make any connection there...that >> does not mean something may not show up..but at this time we have no >> records showing any connection...and unless Ancestry provides source >> info it's probably not reliable... >> >> Very little research has been done in that New England area by the way >> on any Coats families, that includes New York and the Maine, New >> Hampshire areas as well...so other than the documentation found at the >> New England Genealogical and Historical Society, together with the >> early town records are the only ones we have... >> >> So needless to say, much more research needs to be done in those >> areas, which may give us more clues on how these families might be >> connected... >> >> Char >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Coats Family History >> <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> There is likewise nothing in the DNA reports that indicate that John >>> Coats m Ann Dunnigan and James Roberts Coats are brothers or 1st >>> cousins, they are merely related at this point, so please don't make >>> any indication of that either! >>> >>> You need to be careful making your assumptions with this group...they >>> can be misleading and prevent others from doing further research... >>> >>> All we know is: they are related however, we don't know how at this point... >>> >>> Char >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Linda Coate <lcoate@ancestrees.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have the new DNA results up. I've renamed the group to match the two >>>> oldest verified lines in that group. It's now in the middle of the list >>>> under the subheading: James R./John Coats. If there is anyone who'd >>>> like their kit # linked to their email address or to a family genealogy, >>>> you are invited to do so. Thanks. Linda Coate, Coats Family DNA Co-admin >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> A shameless plug for my web activities: >>> >>> Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal >>> registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage >>> and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! >>> >>> Indian Arts and Craft Act: >>> http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com >>> >>> Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: >>> http://cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org/ >>> >>> Cherokee Basketweaving Books: >>> http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving >>> >>> Cherokee Artists Association >>> http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org >>> >>> Cherokees of Orange County >>> http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org >>> >>> Coats Archive: >>> http://www.coatsarchive.us >>> >>> Pages Through Time >>> http://www.pagesthroughtime.us >>> >>> >> >> -- >> A shameless plug for my web activities: >> >> Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal >> registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage >> and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! >> >> Indian Arts and Craft Act: >> http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com >> >> Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: >> http://cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org/ >> >> Cherokee Basketweaving Books: >> http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving >> >> Cherokee Artists Association >> http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org >> >> Cherokees of Orange County >> http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org >> >> Coats Archive: >> http://www.coatsarchive.us >> >> Pages Through Time >> http://www.pagesthroughtime.us >> >> > > > >

Char. It's good to hear from you. I'll rename the group as James R/John/William in alphabetical order. It will also place this group a bit closer to the top. You are absolutely correct that this theory is only from purely 2nd hand sources and neither of us have yet found first hand records to substantiate it. They are simply other's beliefs to check out and get the type dialog below that could help us make progress on the lines. I'm glad you were helping to check too. Anyone else care to join in? Linda Coats Family History wrote: > James appears from this latest test to be more closely related to > William than John R.... > > The secondary info at Ancestry has not been confirmed with any primary > source records from the New England area records....New England by the > way has very good records, so there is no need to rely on secondary > info at Ancestry...so that connection with Charles Coats and Thankful, > I was not able to find any records to make any connection there...that > does not mean something may not show up..but at this time we have no > records showing any connection...and unless Ancestry provides source > info it's probably not reliable... > > Very little research has been done in that New England area by the way > on any Coats families, that includes New York and the Maine, New > Hampshire areas as well...so other than the documentation found at the > New England Genealogical and Historical Society, together with the > early town records are the only ones we have... > > So needless to say, much more research needs to be done in those > areas, which may give us more clues on how these families might be > connected... > > Char > > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Coats Family History > <coats.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > >> There is likewise nothing in the DNA reports that indicate that John >> Coats m Ann Dunnigan and James Roberts Coats are brothers or 1st >> cousins, they are merely related at this point, so please don't make >> any indication of that either! >> >> You need to be careful making your assumptions with this group...they >> can be misleading and prevent others from doing further research... >> >> All we know is: they are related however, we don't know how at this point... >> >> Char >> >> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Linda Coate <lcoate@ancestrees.com> wrote: >> >>> I have the new DNA results up. I've renamed the group to match the two >>> oldest verified lines in that group. It's now in the middle of the list >>> under the subheading: James R./John Coats. If there is anyone who'd >>> like their kit # linked to their email address or to a family genealogy, >>> you are invited to do so. Thanks. Linda Coate, Coats Family DNA Co-admin >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> -- >> A shameless plug for my web activities: >> >> Support Authentic Cherokee Art - ask for the Artist's Tribal >> registration number before you buy!! Cherokee Style, Cherokee Heritage >> and Cherokee Descent all mean non Indian! >> >> Indian Arts and Craft Act: >> http://nativeamericanlawus.blogspot.com >> >> Cherokee Basket Weaver's Association: >> http://cherokeebasketweaversassociation.org/ >> >> Cherokee Basketweaving Books: >> http://www.lulu.com/groups/indianbasketweaving >> >> Cherokee Artists Association >> http://www.cherokeeartistsassociation.org >> >> Cherokees of Orange County >> http://www.cherokeesoforangecounty.org >> >> Coats Archive: >> http://www.coatsarchive.us >> >> Pages Through Time >> http://www.pagesthroughtime.us >> >> > > > >

Dear Linda Et al Finally! I do believe we have located a James Coats of Colorado that descends from William T Coats of Randolph Co., IN. who married Lucinda ( Smith ) Wheeler. William is my great great grand uncle, brother to Susannah Coats who married Silas Pearson ( both born Miami Co., OH and lived most of their life in Darke Co., OH. ). I hope to call him soon and see if he's willing to do a DNA test. Pray that he will otherwise I believe it may be the only way to prove my Coats ancestry. Steve Pearson Mt. Pleasant, MI. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Coate" <lcoate@ancestrees.com> To: <Coates-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: [COATES] New placement of one group >I have the new DNA results up. I've renamed the group to match the two > oldest verified lines in that group. It's now in the middle of the list > under the subheading: James R./John Coats. If there is anyone who'd > like their kit # linked to their email address or to a family genealogy, > you are invited to do so. Thanks. Linda Coate, Coats Family DNA Co-admin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I have the new DNA results up. I've renamed the group to match the two oldest verified lines in that group. It's now in the middle of the list under the subheading: James R./John Coats. If there is anyone who'd like their kit # linked to their email address or to a family genealogy, you are invited to do so. Thanks. Linda Coate, Coats Family DNA Co-admin

Char, I just noticed that you've published a book on the South Carolina Coats! Wonderful. Congrats. Linda Coate