We have 3 new members results up on our Coates DNA page at www.ancestrees.com/dna/family.html. One of them is for Little John Coate (yehhhh) matching Big John and Marm's group and one of them is for Thomas B. Coates matching Wiley's group. The last has an Evans surname and is listed at the bottom of the chart. We also have managed to get an update on Wright Coate, son of Big John's kit sent in for improved results that will be forthcoming. Enjoy. Please do send in a description of your lineage to link to your kits if you haven't already done so. Thanks! Linda Coate, admin.

We have a new member that will be placed up as soon as I hear from him in the Wiley group, plus we have an extension result back for another early member of the Wiley group! I hope this gives this group leads to your theories on how you are cousins. Congrats. Let us know what you guys surmise by combining the new results. Linda Coate

We are getting some big breaks in the DNA group recently. A tester likely descended from Little John has also joined the group. Right now we're trying to get the kit results improved to 37 points for Big John's group and we need monetary donations to do it. Here's the link to make it very easy to contribute even $20.00 to the effort. http://www.familytreedna.com/group-general-fund-contribution.aspx In a recent article in AARP magazine, the largest DNA group worldwide had 81 members and we're almost up to 70..... It's wonderful. If you know of any Coates who haven't joined, we have people waitinig to correspond with their cousins. Thanks for all your support. Linda Coate, Admin.

Since many Coates families also tie into this line, I wanted to pass this along. As a heads-up, the Jay Family Association (JFA) will be publishing an article in its upcoming April 2009 newsletter pertaining to the following. The article will also be posted on the Members Only Section of the website www.jayfamily.org . It will be moved to the public portion of the website in August 2009. *********************************************************************** !! DNA Confirms that Thomas JOY of Hingham, Massachusetts is not an Immigrant Ancestor to the JAY Family in America !! Recent DNA results have confirmed what experienced JAY family researchers have understood for many years, Thomas JOY of Hingham, Massachusetts (m. Joan Gallup), is not the immigrant ancestor of any of the known colonial JAY families in America. Both the JAY and JOY families in America started DNA projects several years ago and have been testing individuals in an effort to determine the origins and possible kinship of their specific lines. One of the goals was to determine if the JAY and the JOY families were actually related by a common ancestor. More specifically, the JAY DNA project was attempting to prove or disprove a relationship to Thomas JOY of Hingham, MA who migrated to America in 1635 and married Joan Gallup there. While testing will continue and more confirming data will be discovered over the upcoming years, it can now be unequivocally stated no JAY family in America descended from Thomas JOY of Hingham, MA. *********************************************************************** Additionally, the article will discuss and illustrate the 19th century books that were published about Thomas JOY and his descendants before extensive JAY family research began. It will also illustrate how his JOY surname was published for the first time as JAY in November 1928. If you are not a JFA member and have specific questions, you may email me directly entech.design@verizon.net . Vince King Immediate Past-President Jay Family Association www.jayfamily.org

You are absolutely right. In the Marmaduke group, it is very important to extend the DNA matches from 12 to 25 or 37. That is because it's such a common set of 12 points. It does make it more likely that it's Big John because five members had traced their genealogy back to Big John (though the sons they went through were only listed as his sons in 2nd hand sources until this DNA match of Wright Coats). What I recommend is that those of you who descend from Big John donate what you can in the way of cash to our group so that his descendant can get the 37 points tested. It is not something he can afford himself - but it certainly would put this good point to rest one way or the other. How about it? It wouldn't be a lot between 5 people to help with that. Thanks everyone for your assistance. Linda Coate On 3/1/2009 3:02 PM, K Hamilton wrote: > Unfortunately, the descendant of Wright Coate tested only the first 12 > markers. And as it turns out, this result is one of the most common if you > just look at the first 12 numbers. It matches to a lot of people. My > cousin, who is a descendant of William Coats, d. 1812, Halifax County, VA, > also matched to the Marmaduke on the first 12 numbers (kit 7658 in the DNA > chart). We were an exact match when we took the 12 marker test. Because > that particular set of numbers is so common, it would have mistakenly led > us to start researching in SC for possible leads. But before doing that, > we upgraded the test to 37 markers and found out that we are not at all > related - at least not in the past 200 or 300 years which is the time > period we are interested in for genealogy. We are related, but from MUCH > further than that to go back to find a common ancestor. > > It may indeed be true that the Big John and Marmaduke Coats families are > related and it may be that DNA will give you support for that belief. But > before saying that, you need to upgrade the test for the descendant of > Wright Coate to 37 markers to see if it still matches when looking at more > markers. I would encourage others in this group who have only 12 markers > tested to also upgrade to 37 markers. You might turn out to match William > Coats of VA when looking at 37 markers instead of thinking that you belong > to the SC group. But then again it might be a match on all 37 markers to > the Marmaduke Coats descendants - and then you would have better proof. > > Kathryn Hamilton > > > > >> Well, we finally have a definitive answer on which group is related to >> Big John Coate of SC in our DNA project. John Coats was able to find a >> descendant of Wright Coate who is clearly named as the son of Big John >> in his will. John did so much to finally help us know, and we thank you >> much John!!! Kudos goes to that participant too. What Wright Coat's >> DNA tells us is that Big John is related to all the people in >> Marmaduke's group that believed they were related to Big John. As a >> descendant of Marmaduke, I had people write me from Big John's line >> that had the tradition that he was Marmaduke's brother. I didn't >> believe it likely till now. The only strange connection I had to him >> was that Big John's descendant's wife in the early 1900's received all >> the family information for my Marmaduke and I always wondered why. >> So, for all of you who've been pondering your relationship to Big John, >> we just had a big piece of the puzzle drop into place. I've placed the >> new DNA evidence up and renamed the Marmaduke group to Big John and >> Marmaduke Coate because there are more people currently in the group >> with ties to Big John than Marmaduke. We've also received back 2 more >> kits evidence who are waiting for more persons to join to find cousins. >> We've had another new member sign up this week. We are going to town >> people. Who would have ever thought we were such a diverse group? >> Linda Coate P.S. The info is up at >> http://www.ancestrees.com/dna/family.html Enjoy. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1978 - Release Date: 03/01/09 07:04:00 > >

Unfortunately, the descendant of Wright Coate tested only the first 12 markers. And as it turns out, this result is one of the most common if you just look at the first 12 numbers. It matches to a lot of people. My cousin, who is a descendant of William Coats, d. 1812, Halifax County, VA, also matched to the Marmaduke on the first 12 numbers (kit 7658 in the DNA chart). We were an exact match when we took the 12 marker test. Because that particular set of numbers is so common, it would have mistakenly led us to start researching in SC for possible leads. But before doing that, we upgraded the test to 37 markers and found out that we are not at all related - at least not in the past 200 or 300 years which is the time period we are interested in for genealogy. We are related, but from MUCH further than that to go back to find a common ancestor. It may indeed be true that the Big John and Marmaduke Coats families are related and it may be that DNA will give you support for that belief. But before saying that, you need to upgrade the test for the descendant of Wright Coate to 37 markers to see if it still matches when looking at more markers. I would encourage others in this group who have only 12 markers tested to also upgrade to 37 markers. You might turn out to match William Coats of VA when looking at 37 markers instead of thinking that you belong to the SC group. But then again it might be a match on all 37 markers to the Marmaduke Coats descendants - and then you would have better proof. Kathryn Hamilton > Well, we finally have a definitive answer on which group is related to > Big John Coate of SC in our DNA project. John Coats was able to find a > descendant of Wright Coate who is clearly named as the son of Big John > in his will. John did so much to finally help us know, and we thank you > much John!!! Kudos goes to that participant too. What Wright Coat's > DNA tells us is that Big John is related to all the people in > Marmaduke's group that believed they were related to Big John. As a > descendant of Marmaduke, I had people write me from Big John's line > that had the tradition that he was Marmaduke's brother. I didn't > believe it likely till now. The only strange connection I had to him > was that Big John's descendant's wife in the early 1900's received all > the family information for my Marmaduke and I always wondered why. > So, for all of you who've been pondering your relationship to Big John, > we just had a big piece of the puzzle drop into place. I've placed the > new DNA evidence up and renamed the Marmaduke group to Big John and > Marmaduke Coate because there are more people currently in the group > with ties to Big John than Marmaduke. We've also received back 2 more > kits evidence who are waiting for more persons to join to find cousins. > We've had another new member sign up this week. We are going to town > people. Who would have ever thought we were such a diverse group? > Linda Coate P.S. The info is up at > http://www.ancestrees.com/dna/family.html Enjoy. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Well, we finally have a definitive answer on which group is related to Big John Coate of SC in our DNA project. John Coats was able to find a descendant of Wright Coate who is clearly named as the son of Big John in his will. John did so much to finally help us know, and we thank you much John!!! Kudos goes to that participant too. What Wright Coat's DNA tells us is that Big John is related to all the people in Marmaduke's group that believed they were related to Big John. As a descendant of Marmaduke, I had people write me from Big John's line that had the tradition that he was Marmaduke's brother. I didn't believe it likely till now. The only strange connection I had to him was that Big John's descendant's wife in the early 1900's received all the family information for my Marmaduke and I always wondered why. So, for all of you who've been pondering your relationship to Big John, we just had a big piece of the puzzle drop into place. I've placed the new DNA evidence up and renamed the Marmaduke group to Big John and Marmaduke Coate because there are more people currently in the group with ties to Big John than Marmaduke. We've also received back 2 more kits evidence who are waiting for more persons to join to find cousins. We've had another new member sign up this week. We are going to town people. Who would have ever thought we were such a diverse group? Linda Coate P.S. The info is up at http://www.ancestrees.com/dna/family.html Enjoy.

John, Thank you so much ! I am very interested in this group and anything that places Pollard Hickman Coates with this group. Robbie -------------- Original message from John Coats <jwcoats@htc.net>: -------------- > Some of you on the list may be interested in some research I am doing on > B.F. Coats, who probably died in Coryell Co, TX in 1882/83. The person I > talked to mentioned Pollard Hickman Coats, and another Coats. I will > forward via this list anything I find, unless it is too voluminous. > J. W. Coats, 618-281-5088. Call between 8:AM and 9:PM, just about any > day if you want to talk. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Some of you on the list may be interested in some research I am doing on B.F. Coats, who probably died in Coryell Co, TX in 1882/83. The person I talked to mentioned Pollard Hickman Coats, and another Coats. I will forward via this list anything I find, unless it is too voluminous. J. W. Coats, 618-281-5088. Call between 8:AM and 9:PM, just about any day if you want to talk.

The 3 kits we have received back aren't an exact match to any group, but one for sure is likely to still be a cousin match if the number of loci in the kit is extended. I am waiting on the oldest known ancestor for each kit number before I take the time to redo the page at our site, but you can currently find the Family Tree DNA version of our site with the new data at the bottom of the page at: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/coats/default.aspx?section=yresults. One kit is sorted higher up on the page in alphabetical order by it's oldest known ancestor, Jordan Coates. Thank you new members who have joined. We hope that as more kits come in, you'll find close cousins to join forces with in your research. Linda Coate, Admin.

We have 3 new members kit info back. I'll hopefully get time this afternoon to work on getting them up. :) Linda Coate

We have 2 more new members of our Coats DNA project. I suspect our project is one of the larger ones for Family Tree DNA. You are all doing a wonderful job and there are still so many ancestors we'd like representation for. :) If you are in the Midwest, take care the next couple days to stay out of the cold. Linda Coate

We have a new kit number up 134081 at http://www.ancestrees.com/dna/family.html! It looks somewhat similar to Robert Coates' group but with enough differences to not be a close match. Welcome new member! Further information on this line will be coming. If anyone knows more info on that kit's lineage, it would be most appreciated by the participant I'm sure. You can write me to have it forwarded to them. Thanks. I hope some of you can partake of the sale they are having for the holidays to increase your DNA points. I know I'd sure appreciate that in Marm's group! Linda Coate, Admin

In keeping with our end-of-the-year tradition, effective November 26th, 2008 we'll institute special pricing at Family Tree DNA for your new-kit-purchasing participants. The products that will be offered at the special prices are: Y-DNA37 $119 Y-DNA37+mtDNAPlus $199 Y-DNA67 $218 Y-DNA67+mtDNAPlus $308 mtDNAPlus $139 Full Genomic mtDNA $395 SuperDNA $613 This offer is good until December 31st, 2008 for kits ordered and paid for by that time. http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com "History Unearthed Daily" +1-713-868-1438

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Family Tree DNA - Special Pricing for Surname Projects Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:00:58 -0600 From: info@familytreedna.com <info@familytreedna.com> Reply-To: info@familytreedna.com Organization: Family Tree DNA To: <jwcoats@htc.net> Dear Family Tree DNA Group Administrator, In keeping with our end-of-the-year tradition, effective November 26th, 2008 we'll institute special pricing at Family Tree DNA for your new-kit-purchasing participants. The products that will be offered at the special prices are: Y-DNA37 $119 Y-DNA37+mtDNAPlus $199 Y-DNA67 $218 Y-DNA67+mtDNAPlus $308 mtDNAPlus $139 Full Genomic mtDNA $395 SuperDNA $613 This offer is good until December 31st, 2008 for kits ordered and paid for by that time. http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com "History Unearthed Daily" +1-713-868-1438

http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Cabinet-Photo-Dr-Coates-Family-Genealogy_W0QQitemZ230288557621QQcmdZViewItemQQptZArt_Photo_Images?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 Fromthe description of album photos of Ohio area doctors: Taken at JF Ryder, Cleveland, Ohio. I have no interest in the sale of this item - just sending in case this might be someone's ancestor! - janet

There is a person descended from the following lineage that is very much interested in finding his ancestor, Coleman Coates after he was discharged from the Civil War in 1865. Does anyone in this group know about he or his wife after that? Jordan Coats, Sr. married Sentilla > > Gainey and served in the war of 1812. They lived in Sampson County, > > North Carolina had several children including Coleman Gainey Coats who > > was born about 1826. Coleman Coats served in the Civil War and married > > Betsy Ann Bagley. They also lived in Sampson County, North Carolina. Thanks, Linda Coate P.S. We have another new DNA member that has joined our group. :)

Steve, I think it would be best if I contacted him when I could say that there is another family member of yours, a likely cousin who has offered to purchase a DNA kit for you as it would help him clear up his mother's ancestry as well. How does that sound? Linda Steve Pearson wrote: > What timing! That may be my line as well. > > John plus Amy > > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Coate" <lcoate@ancestrees.com> > To: <Coates-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:03 PM > Subject: [COATES] More good news > > > >> We have another test kit back that I'll be getting up this week, plus we >> have 2 more persons who've ordered tests. Way to go...... The new >> kit that came back makes for 3 cousin lines that descend from John and >> Amy Abernathy with all their Y-DNA matching. John if you remember is >> one of the likely persons to be the son of Big John. Cooollll. >> Thanks everyone. Linda Coate >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1738 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 2:10 PM > >

Boy, I sure would like to know too. Linda Steve Pearson wrote: > What timing! That may be my line as well. > > John plus Amy > > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Coate" <lcoate@ancestrees.com> > To: <Coates-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:03 PM > Subject: [COATES] More good news > > > >> We have another test kit back that I'll be getting up this week, plus we >> have 2 more persons who've ordered tests. Way to go...... The new >> kit that came back makes for 3 cousin lines that descend from John and >> Amy Abernathy with all their Y-DNA matching. John if you remember is >> one of the likely persons to be the son of Big John. Cooollll. >> Thanks everyone. Linda Coate >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1738 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 2:10 PM > >

What timing! That may be my line as well. John plus Amy Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Coate" <lcoate@ancestrees.com> To: <Coates-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: [COATES] More good news > We have another test kit back that I'll be getting up this week, plus we > have 2 more persons who've ordered tests. Way to go...... The new > kit that came back makes for 3 cousin lines that descend from John and > Amy Abernathy with all their Y-DNA matching. John if you remember is > one of the likely persons to be the son of Big John. Cooollll. > Thanks everyone. Linda Coate > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COATES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >