First, I'm going to admit that I'm not a "professional" genealogist - in fact, I'm not even a good "amateur" genealogist, and I'm going to defer to Harry Hogan as the "expert" in the area I'm about to address. First, James Madison Cloud was my gggrandfather. He was one of at least three sons of Isaac Cloud, Jr., b. ca 1787 (George, b. 1810; James Madison, b. 1816; and Benjamin Franklin, b. 1832. Family stories suggest another, Francis Marion Cloud, who "moved to Texas after the Civil War."). This data came from Ray Hunt (deceased) who did extensive work on Isaac's forebears and descendants, including extensive census and land record searches, as well as conversations with grandchildren of James Madison Cloud. Ray asserted that Isaac, Jr.'s father was Isaac Sr. Isaac Sr. was listed in the SC census in 1790; however, he lived in Rutherford Co, NC less than a mile norfth of the SC line and Ray believes the census taker was from SC and counted him in that census. The 1784 tax rolls for Surry Co., NC showed Isaac Sr. with 1 male over 21, 3 males under 21, and 2 females. The 1782 tax rolls showed Joseph Cloud 8, Isaac Cloud of VA, and William Cloud of VA. Ray believed that Isaac Sr. had these children: Isaac Jr., b. 1787; Jesse; John; Jeremiah; and possibly, Joel. James Madison Cloud left TN in 1868, financially broke after the Civil War, with his wife Margaret Drummond King whom he married in 1838 in Murray Co, GA, to go to Louisiana to "be near relatives." While in Rapides Parish, LA in 1868, he caught fever, died, and "had to be taken to higher ground to be buried." His wife and the kids headed back to TN. The winter was cold, and they were all sick when they reached Scott Co, MS, where a Mary "Granny" McGowan took them in and probably saved their lives. When spring arrived, they stayed in MS. (Side comment: Before the trip to LA, James and his family lived in McMinn and Polk Counties, TN, and was reported to go back and forth between TN and GA.) Questions for the experts: Was the mysterious Jeremiah, b. 1784 who married Elizabeth and for whom everyone is searching, a son of Isaac Sr. (see paragraph 3, above)? If so, he would have been a brother of Isaac Jr. and an uncle of James Madison Cloud. Jeremiah's children would have been first cousins of James Madison Cloud. Further, could the family stories of a Francis Marion Cloud being a son of Isaac Jr. who went to Texas after the Civil War be confused with a Francis Marion Cloud who was in fact a son of Jeremiah and therefore a first cousin of James Madison Cloud - and perhaps the relative they were going to LA to be near? And are these relatives the ones in LA about whom the following message and several related messages have been exchanged in the past couple of weeks? Sic 'em experts, and let us have your thoughts. Al Cloud. On Saturday, May 10, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Tom Cloud wrote: Charles, I am cc'ing your note to the Cloud Family email Forum on rootsweb. Those of us descended from Jeremiah & Elizabeth Cloud (b. 1784 GA > AL > d. 1861 TX) don't know "who" we're related to! <grin> .... Henry George Washington Cloud was a son of Jeremiah and Elizabeth's. We suspect there is a tie to the Clouds of early Louisiana, but cannot make a connection to anyone prior to Jeremiah. We are always looking for clues -- may I inquire as to why you're looking for information regarding H.G.W. Cloud (husband of Mary Adeline "Polly" McDade) and the LA Clouds? I only have one child in my data from the union of Walter Scott McDade and Polly Sears -- Walter Scott McDade Jr. ... is he your father? In the cc above are some of your cousins, descendants of H.G.W. Cloud and Mary Adeline "Polly" McDade. At 06:46 PM 5/9/2003, Cynthia Kirkland wrote: Dear Charles, Thank you very much for your email. I am copying your message to Tom Cloud, who is a major researcher for the CLOUD family. He will probably best be able to answer your questions. I am not really a Cloud researcher, as they are married into one of my lines. Good luck, and I hope Tom has some answers for you. Sincerely, Cynthia Sims Kirkland I AM CHARLES NORWOOD. I SAW YOUR NAME ON THE MCDADE FAMILY WEBSITE. I ASSUME YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE MCDADE FAMILY RESEARCH. AS FOR MYSELF, I AM THE G G G GRANDSON OF CHARLES MCDADE SR. CHARLES MCDADE JR WAS MY G G GRANDFATHER AND MARTIN WILLIAMSON MCDADE WAS MY G GRANDFATHER. MY GRANDFATHER WAS WALTER SCOTT MCDADE. I AM A 46 YEAR OLD GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE LIVING IN LOUISIANA. THIS FAMILY RESEARCH THING HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING. I AM ALSO ATTEMPTING TO INQUIRE AND ASK IF THAT HENRY WASHINGTON CLOUD WHO MARRIED POLLY MCDADE, IS RELATED TO ANY! OF THE CLOUD FAMILY WHO LIVES IN SOUTHWEST RAPIDES PARISH (COUNTY) LOUISIANA. THERE ARE A BUNCH OF CLOUDS WHO LIVE THERE. 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