All, i was stuck at John William Cloud and didnt know who his father was. i searched on ancestry.com and found his marriage record in Indiana, and noticed that his father's name and mother's name were mentioned!!! Edward Cloud and Eliza Jane Stone!!! According to Harley Cloud on cloudweb.org, Edward's son is "John H."...but according to the data I found, Edward and Eliza are John Williams Cloud's parents. Even the birth date is similar...within a year. anyway, from that break through I traced back to Richard J. Cloud being born around 1527 in England! And then, I even found his is John William Cloud born in 1502. thanks for everyone's support in my frustration. I would like to discuss with Harley on the "John H" and the John William descrapancy. have a good day, John Earl Cloud, Jr. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003