Ken -- if you're right about Ransom P., then clearly I have got hold of some bad info. I'll check to see what doumentation I have. Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Cloud" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [CLOUD-L] ZILPHA, RANSOM, AND MARTIN H. CLOUD > My records have a Ransom P. married to Catherine Hildebrand, I have not > dates for either. Have him as son of Aaron Guard Cloud and Eleanor McCoy, > both of ILL and married in 1883. Have siblings as Chaloner Guard Cloud, b > abt 1846, and Mary Ellen Cloud b abt 1853. > > I have another Ranson M. b abt 1869 NC, son of Joel Cloud and Angelina > Hoffman. > > Also have Ransom Cloud, b Unk, wife Mary Ann donalson, all children born in > Decatur Co., GA. Children are: Charles Jefferson, Daniel Martin, Edmund > Morgan and John Henry. > > Ken Cloud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harry Hogan" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: [CLOUD-L] ZILPHA, RANSOM, AND MARTIN H. CLOUD > > > > Rex -- I don't know whether it's pertinent, but a son of Judge Joel Cloud > > (abt 1789-1855) of Rutherford Co., NC, was named Ransom Pinckney Cloud. > > Born about 1806 in Rutherford, he married Katherine Hildebrand and had -- > > acc. to my records -- four children, but no son named "Ransom" (the only > > male was "Joel"). His sister, whose first name I don't have, married a > chap > > named Tallent and named a son "Ransom Cloud Tallent." "Ransom" is an > > unusual name, so it's hard to believe that there's not some connection. > > Harry > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rex Sanders" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 8:42 PM > > Subject: [CLOUD-L] ZILPHA, RANSOM, AND MARTIN H. CLOUD > > > > > > > > > > What better way to start 2003 than to reach back and pull up one > > of > > > those UNSOLVED CLOUD MYSTERIES. In the 1830 US Census for Decatur Co., > GA > > > there appears ZILPHA CLOUD on page 14 as head of household. Her age is > > > reported as 20-30 and the record includes 1M<5 and 1M5-10. Most, who > have > > > expressed an opinion, believe that those two males are RANSOM CLOUD who > > was > > > born in 1827 and MARTIN H. CLOUD who was born in 1825. > > > > > > Then, one year later, on 5 Dec 1831, ZILPHA CLOUD marries MOSES > > > OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA. According to the 1840 US Census for MOSES > > > OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA, ZILPHA is shown as 1F30-40 which is > consistent > > > with the age of 20-30 from the 1830 census record. > > > > > > The 1850 US Census for MOSES OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA shows > > ZILPHA > > > as 35 years old [instead of the expected age of 40-50]. Included with > > this > > > census record are M. CLOUD [presumed to be MARTIN H. CLOUD], RANSOM > CLOUD, > > > and five OLIVER children. > > > > > > The UNSOLVED MYSTERY: > > > > > > Is Zilpha the older sister of MARTIN H. and RANSOM CLOUD? If > this > > > is the case, we need parents [a mother and a CLOUD father] who were > > married > > > on or before 1804 [assuming ZILPHA was b: c 1805]. The earliest CLOUDS > > > showing up in Southwest Georgia were ELIZABETH CLOUD, widow of PETER > > CLOUD, > > > and JOHN CLOUD [b: c 1782] when they appeared in Early Co., GA [later > > > Decatur Co] in 1820. Then, we have to wonder about the lapse of time > from > > > ZILPHA'S birth of 1805, and MARTIN'S birth of 1825. This is 20 years. > > > > > > OR > > > > > > Is ZILPHA the mother of MARTIN H. and RANSOM CLOUD? If this is > > the > > > case, we need a CLOUD father who married ZILPHA circa 1824. This is the > > > year after Decatur County, GA was created from Early County, GA. There > > > were limited candidates that can fit and the best candidate is REUBEN > > CLOUD > > > (b: c 1803). He was 21 years old in 1824 and we don't have a record of > a > > > marriage for him until 11 Oct 1830 to Lotty Gideons. It is possible > that > > > he could have married ZILPHA __________ in 1824, fathered MARTIN H. > CLOUD > > > and RANSOM CLOUD and left ZILPHA for a marriage to LOTTY GIDEONS in > 1830. > > > REUBEN'S brother, MANSICO, was b: 1812 and would be too young to qualify > > as > > > a candidate. > > > > > > Reuben's older brother, JOHN CLOUD (b: c 1782) was there at the > > > time and was old enough to qualify. BUT, JOHN's first wife, MARY SHIPES > > > CLOUD was enumerated with him in the 1830 US Census in Decatur Co., GA. > I > > > have never seen a date of death for his wife MARY, but JOHN CLOUD m: 2nd > > > SARAH DEAN on 11 Sep 1838 so we can assume that MARY SHIPES CLOUD died > > > between 1830 and 1838. Incidentally, the marriage to SARAH DEAN in 1838 > > > does not appear on the Decatur County marriage indices. And, JOHN'S > four > > > sons were too young, the oldest being born in 1809, or 15 years of age > in > > > 1824. > > > > > > Somewhere, there are other pieces to this puzzle and I hope that those > of > > > you on this CLOUD LIST will offer them up. For example, one of the keys > > to > > > the above theories is a factual age for ZILPHA CLOUD. Was she born in > > 1805 > > > as indicated by the 1830/1840 census records, or was she born in 1815 as > > > indicated by the 1850 census record. I have census records for ZILPHA > > > OLIVER for 1870 and 1880 but have not located a census for her for 1860. > > > Is there another alternative theory to the two presented above? > > > > > > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > > > Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List? > > > If you're new, please submit a brief description of your ancestry. > > > Cloud HomePages: http://mykindred.com/cloud > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > > Cloud Family Association sites: > > http://mykindred.com/cloud ..... http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud > > > > > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .................................................................. > Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at > http://raogk.rootsweb.com/index.html > >