This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YNJ.2ACIB/715.1.1.1.1.2.2 Message Board Post: Two different places I've found his birthdate and place. http://www.uftree.com/UFT/WebPages/jac_ansell/default/d0/i0000128.htm There is also a Cloud family journal available in the gen. library near me. I found it in Vol. XXIII, Nos. 2&3