Hi... Your query was posted to the Cloud discussion group. I am not sure what resources you have or what research you have done, but I checked the ancestry.com census data. This is what I found: 1930 census for Washington Township, Stone County, MO; taken 5 Apr, page 234, Joel B. Norman, first married at 18, current age 57, born MO, father born W. VA, mother born: USA, prosecuting attorney for the county. Missouri C., wife, first married at age 20, current age 60, born: ARK, father: TN, mother: MO; Ruth, daughter, age 22, born MO, bookkeeper in Post Office. They lived on Court St, and in Galena Town. 1920 census for Washington Township, Stone County, MO; taken 3 Jan, page 257, Joel B. Norman, age 48, born MO, father born VA, mother born: MO, occupation listed as none. Missouri C., wife, age 50, born: ARK, father: TN, mother: MO; Eva M., daughter, age 21, born MO, clerk in R. E. Office; Elton S., son, age 18, born MO; George W., age 15, born MO; E. Ruth, daughter, age 12, born MO. They lived in Galena Village 1910 census for Ponce de Leon Township, Stone County, MO; taken 5 Apr, page 269, Joel B. Norman, age 39, married 21 years, born MO, father born VA, mother born: MO, Lawyer, General Practice. M. C., wife, age 41, married 21 years, had 7 children, 6 children living, born: MO, father: USA, mother: USA; Edith, daughter, age 16; Nell, daughter, age 14; Eva, daughter, age 11; Elton, son, age 8; George W., age 6; Toola (??), daughter, age 2. 1900 census for Ponce de Leon Township, Stone County, MO; taken 23 Jun, page 259, J. B. Norman, age 29, born May 1871, married 10 years, born MO, father born VA, mother born: MO, farmer; Missouri, wife, age 41, born Dec 1969, married 10 years, had 4 children, 3 children living, born: MO, father: TN, mother: MO; Edith, daughter, age 7, born Feb 1893; Nellie, daughter, age 4, born Jan 1896; Eva, daughter, age 1, Nov 1898. Earlier census information is not easy to pinpoint. Let's take Joel...In the 1910 census, there is on the same page as Joel, Thomas S. Norman (born in VA), wife Alzora (would appear to not be the mother of Joel), # years of present marriage 29. family # 50. Joel was family # 56. In the 1900 census, family #277 is T. S. Norman (born in VA), wife listed as Francis (would appear to be another name for Alzora since names of children are the same) Joel was family # 286. 1880 census for Osceola Township, St Clair Cty, MO, taken 9 Jun, page 349 T.S. Norman, age 50, farmer, born Penn, parents place of birth blank. S. E., wife, age 34, born IL, father born Penn, mother's place of birth blank; J. A., son, age unclear (somewhere between 10 and 16), born MO; J. B., son, 8, MO; R.E., daughter, 5, MO; T. F., son, 4, MO; C.B., daughter, 1, MO. [note: if this is Joel's mother, she must have died within about a year after this census and then Thomas married Alzora/Francis.] 1870 census for Osceola Township, St Clair Cty, MO indicates Thomas is 30, born in VA, wife Sally, 24, born in MO, son, Albert, age 2. Would appear to be the same family as the 1880 census (although, there is another Thomas Norman living in the same county, unmarried, age 38, and born in Penn, and works as a carpenter). As for your Missouri, I can't find anyone by that name or initial of M. C. I see what appear to be 2 possibilities. Possibility #1: In the 1900 census, there is a Sarah C. Cloud enumerated on the same page as Joel and Missouri. She is widowed. She is family #280 while Joel and family are # 286. Sarah C. Cloud, 65, widowed, born Sep 1834 in Tenn, had 11 children, 8 living. Children living with her are J. L. widowed, age 43; Thomas H., age 25, Martha E., age 23; grandson, William E., 14. In 1910, she is on page 267 of Ponce De Leon (Joel and MIssouri are on page 269), age 73, living with her son Sherman H., widowed with two daughters. Sarah is shown born in TN with parents born in VA. If Sherman should possibly be the brother of Missouri, it is shown that both his parents were born in TN. In the 1880 census I find who appears to be Sarah - Cass Township, Stone Cty, MO (it is also shown they live in Galena P.O.). Joseph Cloud, 44, b: TN, parents b: TN; Sarah, 43, b: TN, parents b: VA; Joseph, 22, MO; Wiley, 21, MO; Martha, 16, MO; Grant, 12, MO; Sherman, 12, MO; Liza, 10, MO; George, 8, MO; Tom, 6, MO; Martha, 3, MO. [note: yes, the census shows two Martha's. If this is the parents of Missouri, it would probably mean that she is Liza. Missouri may have been a nickname, since she was born in Missouri and appeared to live her life there.] Assuming for a moment this is she, the 1870 census would indicate that her name was Nancy L. Possibility # 2: 1880 census, Benton Township, Newton Cty, MO. Alexander C. Cloud, 53, b: TN, parents b: TN; Martha, 46, born: IL, father born: KY, mother b: MO; Henry F., 20, MO; Ida Flora, 15, ARK; Thomas L., 12, MO; Mary C., 10, MO; Martha W., 9, MO; Charles T., 6, MO; Maggie L., 4, MO. 1870 census shows this family in Elk, McDonald Cty, MO. Basically the same info, Alex born, TN, Martha b: IL, an additional brother, William, 12, born in MO, and Henry, Thomas and Mary born in MO, with Ida born in ARK. I picked this as a possibility because of the birthplace of the father, the current location being in MO, and if Missouri is a nickname, her real name could be Mary and C is her middle initial (Celia??). Please note, I know nothing about this Cloud branch of the family. All I know is what I found in the census in which I have tried to describe above. Good luck on your search. Lura
I have a Missouri C. Cloud married to C. P. Wale. She is dau of Burton Cloud of Elizabeth Little. She what I have at www.cloudweb.org then look in the listing of those I cannot connect to a Cloud line. Ken Cloud ----- Original Message ----- From: <LBLACK50@aol.com> To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 21 October, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: [CLOUD] Celia Missouri Cloud > Hi... Your query was posted to the Cloud discussion group. I am not sure > what resources you have or what research you have done, but I checked the > ancestry.com census data. This is what I found: > > 1930 census for Washington Township, Stone County, MO; taken 5 Apr, page > 234, > Joel B. Norman, first married at 18, current age 57, born MO, father born > W. > VA, mother born: USA, prosecuting attorney for the county. Missouri C., > wife, first married at age 20, current age 60, born: ARK, father: TN, > mother: > MO; Ruth, daughter, age 22, born MO, bookkeeper in Post Office. They > lived on > Court St, and in Galena Town. > > 1920 census for Washington Township, Stone County, MO; taken 3 Jan, page > 257, > Joel B. Norman, age 48, born MO, father born VA, mother born: MO, > occupation > listed as none. Missouri C., wife, age 50, born: ARK, father: TN, > mother: > MO; Eva M., daughter, age 21, born MO, clerk in R. E. Office; Elton S., > son, > age 18, born MO; George W., age 15, born MO; E. Ruth, daughter, age 12, > born > MO. They lived in Galena Village > > 1910 census for Ponce de Leon Township, Stone County, MO; taken 5 Apr, > page > 269, > Joel B. Norman, age 39, married 21 years, born MO, father born VA, mother > born: MO, Lawyer, General Practice. M. C., wife, age 41, married 21 > years, had > 7 children, 6 children living, born: MO, father: USA, mother: USA; Edith, > daughter, age 16; Nell, daughter, age 14; Eva, daughter, age 11; Elton, > son, > age 8; George W., age 6; Toola (??), daughter, age 2. > > > 1900 census for Ponce de Leon Township, Stone County, MO; taken 23 Jun, > page > 259, > J. B. Norman, age 29, born May 1871, married 10 years, born MO, father > born > VA, mother born: MO, farmer; Missouri, wife, age 41, born Dec 1969, > married > 10 years, had 4 children, 3 children living, born: MO, father: TN, > mother: > MO; Edith, daughter, age 7, born Feb 1893; Nellie, daughter, age 4, born > Jan > 1896; Eva, daughter, age 1, Nov 1898. > > Earlier census information is not easy to pinpoint. Let's take Joel...In > the 1910 census, there is on the same page as Joel, Thomas S. Norman > (born in > VA), wife Alzora (would appear to not be the mother of Joel), # years of > present marriage 29. family # 50. Joel was family # 56. In the 1900 > census, > family #277 is T. S. Norman (born in VA), wife listed as Francis (would > appear to > be another name for Alzora since names of children are the same) Joel > was > family # 286. > > 1880 census for Osceola Township, St Clair Cty, MO, taken 9 Jun, page 349 > T.S. Norman, age 50, farmer, born Penn, parents place of birth blank. S. > E., wife, age 34, born IL, father born Penn, mother's place of birth > blank; J. > A., son, age unclear (somewhere between 10 and 16), born MO; J. B., son, > 8, > MO; R.E., daughter, 5, MO; T. F., son, 4, MO; C.B., daughter, 1, MO. > [note: > if this is Joel's mother, she must have died within about a year after > this > census and then Thomas married Alzora/Francis.] 1870 census for Osceola > Township, St Clair Cty, MO indicates Thomas is 30, born in VA, wife > Sally, 24, born > in MO, son, Albert, age 2. Would appear to be the same family as the > 1880 > census (although, there is another Thomas Norman living in the same > county, > unmarried, age 38, and born in Penn, and works as a carpenter). > > As for your Missouri, I can't find anyone by that name or initial of M. > C. > I see what appear to be 2 possibilities. > > Possibility #1: In the 1900 census, there is a Sarah C. Cloud > enumerated > on the same page as Joel and Missouri. She is widowed. She is family > #280 > while Joel and family are # 286. Sarah C. Cloud, 65, widowed, born Sep > 1834 in > Tenn, had 11 children, 8 living. Children living with her are J. L. > widowed, age 43; Thomas H., age 25, Martha E., age 23; grandson, William > E., 14. In > 1910, she is on page 267 of Ponce De Leon (Joel and MIssouri are on page > 269), age 73, living with her son Sherman H., widowed with two daughters. > Sarah > is shown born in TN with parents born in VA. If Sherman should possibly > be > the brother of Missouri, it is shown that both his parents were born in > TN. > In the 1880 census I find who appears to be Sarah - Cass Township, Stone > Cty, > MO (it is also shown they live in Galena P.O.). Joseph Cloud, 44, b: > TN, > parents b: TN; Sarah, 43, b: TN, parents b: VA; Joseph, 22, MO; Wiley, > 21, MO; > Martha, 16, MO; Grant, 12, MO; Sherman, 12, MO; Liza, 10, MO; George, 8, > MO; > Tom, 6, MO; Martha, 3, MO. [note: yes, the census shows two Martha's. > If > this is the parents of Missouri, it would probably mean that she is Liza. > Missouri may have been a nickname, since she was born in Missouri and > appeared > to live her life there.] Assuming for a moment this is she, the 1870 > census > would indicate that her name was Nancy L. > > Possibility # 2: 1880 census, Benton Township, Newton Cty, MO. > Alexander > C. Cloud, 53, b: TN, parents b: TN; Martha, 46, born: IL, father born: > KY, > mother b: MO; Henry F., 20, MO; Ida Flora, 15, ARK; Thomas L., 12, MO; > Mary C., > 10, MO; Martha W., 9, MO; Charles T., 6, MO; Maggie L., 4, MO. 1870 > census > shows this family in Elk, McDonald Cty, MO. Basically the same info, > Alex > born, TN, Martha b: IL, an additional brother, William, 12, born in MO, > and > Henry, Thomas and Mary born in MO, with Ida born in ARK. I picked this > as a > possibility because of the birthplace of the father, the current location > being > in MO, and if Missouri is a nickname, her real name could be Mary and C > is her > middle initial (Celia??). > > Please note, I know nothing about this Cloud branch of the family. All I > know is what I found in the census in which I have tried to describe > above. > Good luck on your search. > > Lura > > > > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .............................................................. > Join the Cloud Family Association: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud > >