Cecil, I've looked carefully at the page you referenced on Bruce's site. What is it you see there that makes your thoughts turn to our Jeremiah and his relation to the rest of the Cloud clan? I looked for references to Georgia and/or Twiggs/Wilkerson/Wilkes counties and saw nothing. ... well, not entirely true -- there is a reference there ... "Nathaniel Folsom ... came with his parents from North Carolina to Georgia around 1774". Is it the story of John Cloud marrying Cherokee Betsy Lacy? Apparently John married Betsy about 1798 .... Bruce says their eldest, William, was born that year. But recent FGS mailed to me from Nata Oneal Cloud alleges that Jeremiah was born 1789. I don't know where she got that birth date ?? (Jeremiah is her 2-g-grandfather). I have always wondered but what we weren't closely related to the Louisiana bunch (Bob & Pat Cloud, et al), but have nothing other than a hunch. Perhaps one of John's siblings / half-siblings? Did Jeremiah know about the death of Daniel at the Alamo? Did he know they were related? Maybe we ought to be looking into John's siblings for whom there is no documentation -- maybe one that followed his brother John into the Indian territory of Georgia and also married a Cherokee girl. Your and my distinguished good looks may come from a Cherokee ancestry (we sure don't want to look like Prince Charles). Tom P.S. -- It is becoming obvious to me that referring to the area where John lived and where Jeremiah was born as Twiggs county must have been common-place -- even 30 years before it was formally called that. .... I am going to post a query to the GATWIGGS forum about that. That would at least settle our questions about where Jeremiah was born. At 05:44 PM 9/13/2005, Cecil Stokes <CStokes@hiwaay.net> wrote: >Tom, > >This Cloud has been one of my top candidates for a paternity suit on behalf of our ggg-GF Jeremiah Cloud for some time based on what Bruce Eans has posted. His latest is: http://www.intersurf.com/~bevans/My%20Indian%20Roots/My%20Indian%20Blood.htm > >Regarding the William Cloud who died in TN in about 1841: This sounds a lot like the William Cloud for whom Cloud's Cove in Madison County, AL, is named. One of his decendants owns the place. I hope we can get him into DNA project. > >Cec > >in response to what Tom Cloud wrote: > >>I am reading the Pension application of John Cloud, RS (1740-1840), >>husband of Betsey Lacey. >> >>... "In the year 1776 as this declarent believes he volunteered in the militia of South Carolina under General Williams. .... At this time he resided in what was then called Wilkes county, State of Georgia." >> >>This is significant to Texas Jeremiah researchers because: >> >>1 - Jeremiah Cloud's obituary says he was born in Twiggs county, >>GA about 1784. >> >>2 - Twiggs county had not yet been formed, that area being off- >>limits to white settlers at that time. >> >>3 - This is the only other Cloud I know of who has claimed to >>be from that area, at about the same time -- John up to 1776 >>and Jeremiah being born there in 1784. >> >>4 - John also had a son named Jeremiah (didn't they all??), born >>about 1789. >> >>The pension application continues: >> >>...."In the same winter or early the next spring he enlisted ... for eighteen months. ... At the time he enlisted he belonged in the State of Georgia as before stated. ... He ... received a discharge ... he lived in his father's house in Georgia. When the house was burned by the Tories his discharge (as on support) was burned with it. During this time he was stationed in a fort on the Aquchee River. After his discharge he returned home where the people were all then forted to protect themselves from Tories & Indians. ..... He then belonged in Georgia, same county as before mentioned, but were all now from home into the Fort. During this tour he marched from Wilkes county, Georgia to the Cherokee Twons." >> >>.... "The next tour he performed was in the Militia of Georgia, as a volunteer under General Clark. He marched fro South Carolina to Carr's Fort in Wilkes county, in Georgia. ... The next tour ... He marched during this tour from Wilkes county, in Georgia to Augusta ...? >> >> >> >>... now this last (maybe) provides further clues. >> >>5 - Twiggs county wasn't formed until 1809 (taken from the Creek cession of 1803). John Cloud claimed to have lived there in 1776 and before, 33 years prior to that! >> >>6 - Twiggs county was first Wilkinson county (after the 1803 Creek cession). >> >>7 - John refers to Wilkes county, but it was not called that until after 1777, being called St. Paul parish prior to that. >> >> >>Jeremiah researchers -- what do you think? >> >>Tom Cloud