I am reading the Pension application of John Cloud, RS (1740-1840), husband of Betsey Lacey. ... "In the year 1776 as this declarent believes he volunteered in the militia of South Carolina under General Williams. .... At this time he resided in what was then called Wilkes county, State of Georgia." This is significant to Texas Jeremiah researchers because: 1 - Jeremiah Cloud's obituary says he was born in Twiggs county, GA about 1784. 2 - Twiggs county had not yet been formed, that area being off- limits to white settlers at that time. 3 - This is the only other Cloud I know of who has claimed to be from that area, at about the same time -- John up to 1776 and Jeremiah being born there in 1784. 4 - John also had a son named Jeremiah (didn't they all??), born about 1789. The pension application continues: ...."In the same winter or early the next spring he enlisted ... for eighteen months. ... At the time he enlisted he belonged in the State of Georgia as before stated. ... He ... received a discharge ... he lived in his father's house in Georgia. When the house was burned by the Tories his discharge (as on support) was burned with it. During this time he was stationed in a fort on the Aquchee River. After his discharge he returned home where the people were all then forted to protect themselves from Tories & Indians. ..... He then belonged in Georgia, same county as before mentioned, but were all now from home into the Fort. During this tour he marched from Wilkes county, Georgia to the Cherokee Twons." .... "The next tour he performed was in the Militia of Georgia, as a volunteer under General Clark. He marched fro South Carolina to Carr's Fort in Wilkes county, in Georgia. ... The next tour ... He marched during this tour from Wilkes county, in Georgia to Augusta ...? ... now this last (maybe) provides further clues. 5 - Twiggs county wasn't formed until 1809 (taken from the Creek cession of 1803). John Cloud claimed to have lived there in 1776 and before, 33 years prior to that! 6 - Twiggs county was first Wilkinson county (after the 1803 Creek cession). 7 - John refers to Wilkes county, but it was not called that until after 1777, being called St. Paul parish prior to that. Jeremiah researchers -- what do you think? Tom Cloud

Tom, This Cloud has been one of my top candidates for a paternity suit on behalf of our ggg-GF Jeremiah Cloud for some time based on what Bruce Eans has posted. His latest is: http://www.intersurf.com/~bevans/My%20Indian%20Roots/My%20Indian%20Blood.htm Regarding the William Cloud who died in TN in about 1841: This sounds a lot like the William Cloud for whom Cloud's Cove in Madison County, AL, is named. One of his decendants owns the place. I hope we can get him into DNA project. Cec in response to what Tom Cloud wrote: >I am reading the Pension application of John Cloud, RS (1740-1840), >husband of Betsey Lacey. > > ... "In the year 1776 as this declarent believes he volunteered in the militia of South Carolina under General Williams. .... At this time he resided in what was then called Wilkes county, State of Georgia." > >This is significant to Texas Jeremiah researchers because: > > 1 - Jeremiah Cloud's obituary says he was born in Twiggs county, >GA about 1784. > > 2 - Twiggs county had not yet been formed, that area being off- >limits to white settlers at that time. > > 3 - This is the only other Cloud I know of who has claimed to >be from that area, at about the same time -- John up to 1776 >and Jeremiah being born there in 1784. > > 4 - John also had a son named Jeremiah (didn't they all??), born >about 1789. > >The pension application continues: > > ...."In the same winter or early the next spring he enlisted ... for eighteen months. ... At the time he enlisted he belonged in the State of Georgia as before stated. ... He ... received a discharge ... he lived in his father's house in Georgia. When the house was burned by the Tories his discharge (as on support) was burned with it. During this time he was stationed in a fort on the Aquchee River. After his discharge he returned home where the people were all then forted to protect themselves from Tories & Indians. ..... He then belonged in Georgia, same county as before mentioned, but were all now from home into the Fort. During this tour he marched from Wilkes county, Georgia to the Cherokee Twons." > > .... "The next tour he performed was in the Militia of Georgia, as a volunteer under General Clark. He marched fro South Carolina to Carr's Fort in Wilkes county, in Georgia. ... The next tour ... He marched during this tour from Wilkes county, in Georgia to Augusta ...? > > > > ... now this last (maybe) provides further clues. > > 5 - Twiggs county wasn't formed until 1809 (taken from the Creek cession of 1803). John Cloud claimed to have lived there in 1776 and before, 33 years prior to that! > > 6 - Twiggs county was first Wilkinson county (after the 1803 Creek cession). > > 7 - John refers to Wilkes county, but it was not called that until after 1777, being called St. Paul parish prior to that. > > >Jeremiah researchers -- what do you think? > >Tom Cloud > > > >==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .............................................................. > Join the Cloud Family Association: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud > > > >. > > >

Tom, I have a copy of a "Genealogy of the Cloud Family in America showing how Mrs. Viola Elizabeth Cloud Turnbow of New Orleans, La. is a direct descendant of a soldier JOHN CLOUD who took part in the American Revolution and was pensioned for his services as such on April 27, 1833." prepared by George C. H. Kernigon, ex-Chancellor-General National Society S. A. R. and Louisiana Genealogist. He shows a descendancy of William of Calne, to Jeremish who married Elizabeth Baily, to William Cloud who married Elizabeth Hayes, to a William Cloud who "resided in Georgia during the Revolutionary War", to JOHN CLOUD who married Elizabeth Lacey. This John Cloud was awarded a pension (Claim 30935, executed April 27, 1853). This researcher says the pension included facts that he resided in Georgia, SC, KY and LA. The genealogist states: He died sometime between January 25 and February 1, 1840 in Natchitoches Parish, LA. His wife, Elizabeth (Betsy) Lacey was a Cherokee indian girl. They had William, Noah, Jeremiah and Ann. they were living in Livingston Co, KY in 1808. About the year 1824, John and his children (his wife had died) were living in LA - William in Bienville Parish, and Noah Jeremiah and Ann in Natchitoches Parish." The genealogist is sometimes confusing, as he also said John and his wife had: Ann; Frank; Lee; Jeremiah (or Jerry) who fought with his father John at the Battle of New Orleans in 1815, and moved to Calcasieu Parish, LA; William; Noah; Ruben; and Minerva. (Comment by Al Cloud: John would have been 75 years of age at the time of the Battle of New Orleans). The genealogist also says that after the War John moved to SC and entered 400 acres on Briar Creek at what is now known as Cherokee Pond, SC, and that son Noah was born there. He asserts that family tradition says John married Betsy near the Cumberland River in KY, and later moved with her and their family to Vicksburg, MS, and Natchez, MS, then to Alexandria, LA, then to Gainesville, LA, then to Clifton Place across Saline Bayou near the Cloud Crossing in Winn Parish, LA, and eventually to Natchitoches where he died in 1840. As you can see, some of the above appears contradictory, but I'll be glad to send you a copy of his report if you will send me your address. Regards, Al Cloud. On Sep 13, 2005, at 5:30 PM, Tom Cloud wrote: > > I am reading the Pension application of John Cloud, RS (1740-1840), > husband of Betsey Lacey. > > ... "In the year 1776 as this declarent believes he volunteered in > the militia of South Carolina under General Williams. .... At this > time he resided in what was then called Wilkes county, State of > Georgia." > > This is significant to Texas Jeremiah researchers because: > > 1 - Jeremiah Cloud's obituary says he was born in Twiggs county, > GA about 1784. > > 2 - Twiggs county had not yet been formed, that area being off- > limits to white settlers at that time. > > 3 - This is the only other Cloud I know of who has claimed to > be from that area, at about the same time -- John up to 1776 > and Jeremiah being born there in 1784. > > 4 - John also had a son named Jeremiah (didn't they all??), born > about 1789. > > The pension application continues: > > ...."In the same winter or early the next spring he enlisted ... for > eighteen months. ... At the time he enlisted he belonged in the State > of Georgia as before stated. ... He ... received a discharge ... he > lived in his father's house in Georgia. When the house was burned by > the Tories his discharge (as on support) was burned with it. During > this time he was stationed in a fort on the Aquchee River. After his > discharge he returned home where the people were all then forted to > protect themselves from Tories & Indians. ..... He then belonged in > Georgia, same county as before mentioned, but were all now from home > into the Fort. During this tour he marched from Wilkes county, > Georgia to the Cherokee Twons." > > .... "The next tour he performed was in the Militia of Georgia, as a > volunteer under General Clark. He marched fro South Carolina to > Carr's Fort in Wilkes county, in Georgia. ... The next tour ... He > marched during this tour from Wilkes county, in Georgia to Augusta > ...? > > > > ... now this last (maybe) provides further clues. > > 5 - Twiggs county wasn't formed until 1809 (taken from the Creek > cession of 1803). John Cloud claimed to have lived there in 1776 and > before, 33 years prior to that! > > 6 - Twiggs county was first Wilkinson county (after the 1803 Creek > cession). > > 7 - John refers to Wilkes county, but it was not called that until > after 1777, being called St. Paul parish prior to that. > > > Jeremiah researchers -- what do you think? > > Tom Cloud > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .............................................................. > Join the Cloud Family Association: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud >

Al, I would like to see this genealogy by George C.H. Kernion. My contact info is at http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/ContactMe.htm. Nata Oneal Cloud sent me a similar work, entitled: "Genealogy of the CLOUD FAMILY in America showing how R.E. Cloud of Beaumont, Texas is a direct lineal descendant of a soldier, JOHN CLOUD, who took part in the American Revolution, and who was pensioned for his services as such, on April 27, 1835. (Prepared by George C.H. Kernion, Ex-Chancellor-General National Society S.A.R., and Louisiana Genealogist)" From what you write, it appears the two versions are very similar. The one I have was written circa 1924. I wonder if there have been any challenges / corrections to any of it? sincerely, Tom cloud At 08:56 PM 9/13/2005, Albert Cloud <alcloud@airmail.net> wrote: >Tom, I have a copy of a "Genealogy of the Cloud Family in America showing how Mrs. Viola Elizabeth Cloud Turnbow of New Orleans, La. is a direct descendant of a soldier JOHN CLOUD who took part in the American Revolution and was pensioned for his services as such on April 27, 1833." prepared by George C. H. Kernigon, ex-Chancellor-General National Society S. A. R. and Louisiana Genealogist. He shows a descendancy of William of Calne, to Jeremish who married Elizabeth Baily, to William Cloud who married Elizabeth Hayes, to a William Cloud who "resided in Georgia during the Revolutionary War", to JOHN CLOUD who married Elizabeth Lacey. This John Cloud was awarded a pension (Claim 30935, executed April 27, 1853). This researcher says the pension included facts that he resided in Georgia, SC, KY and LA. The genealogist states: He died sometime between January 25 and February 1, 1840 in Natchitoches Parish, LA. His wife, Elizabeth (Betsy) Lacey was a Cherokee indian girl. ! They had William, Noah, Jeremiah and Ann. >they were living in Livingston Co, KY in 1808. About the year 1824, John and his children (his wife had died) were living in LA - William in Bienville Parish, and Noah Jeremiah and Ann in Natchitoches Parish." The genealogist is sometimes confusing, as he also said John and his wife had: Ann; Frank; Lee; Jeremiah (or Jerry) who fought with his father John at the Battle of New Orleans in 1815, and moved to Calcasieu Parish, LA; William; Noah; Ruben; and Minerva. (Comment by Al Cloud: John would have been 75 years of age at the time of the Battle of New Orleans). The genealogist also says that after the War John moved to SC and entered 400 acres on Briar Creek at what is now known as Cherokee Pond, SC, and that son Noah was born there. He asserts that family tradition says John married Betsy near the Cumberland River in KY, and later moved with her and their family to Vicksburg, MS, and Natchez, MS, then to Alexandria, LA, then to Gainesville, LA, then to Clifton Place ! across Saline Bayou near the Cloud Crossing in Winn Parish, LA, and eventually to Natchitoches where he died in 1840. > >As you can see, some of the above appears contradictory, but I'll be glad to send you a copy of his report if you will send me your address. Regards, Al Cloud.