What do you in my wife's case. She was an only child, her father died in 1965 and her closest relative are cousins on her mother's side ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Cloud" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [CLOUD-L] Fwd: Surname project > > Lura, > > WRT the mtDNA, that doesn't seem to be the recommended method of the > company I've corresponded with. I don't know why .... but, in your > case, all you need is a swab from your brother or your father to > participate in the y-chromosome study. > > Now, if you're a conservative (goofy) Christian -- like me -- you > put some stock in Bishop Usher's dating of the creation at 4004 BC. > If you go to the Creation Science web sites, you'll find substantial > evidence that the earth is maybe 10,000 years old .... and questions > like "when God created the earth, did He make decaying material > for the plants and bacteria to eat? ... if so, the earth would appear > to our dating methods to be older than it actually is" .... personally, > I hold to that view -- IOW, because of the way God created the > heavens and the earth, our scientific methods will be confused and > we will reach the wrong conclusions. > > So, this dna stuff is interesting to me -- and somewhat amusing because, > if it's like I think it is (i.e. the way God had His scribe record it), > then this will add both strength to the argument of evolutionists and > confusion .... because, in time, there will appear some really strange > anomalies from the fact that there probably aren't 500 generations > <grin> .... just like -- without a creation point of view -- there > is some really bizarre and conflicting information in the evolutionist > camp. > > I guess my bottom line question is this ... "how is saying 'God > created it' unscientific?" We cannot recreate the proposed big-bang, > which leaves out true "scientific" proof for it. We can't recreate > even one single evolution of a species -- nor has one ever been > witnessed -- so that leaves out true scientific proof for it, also > (scientific proof being defined as something which can be replicated). > So, we're left with "legal" proof -- something which has been witnessed > and/or for which there is/are evidence(s). IOW, how is considering > the evidences for creation any less scientific than considering the > other ideas being bantered around? .... yet creation is dismissed > simply because it involves a creator being/person rather than a creator > event. I.E. a directed, personally involved creator is rejected, while > a random, accidental, un-directed, impersonal event is sought after. > > .... oops, shame on me for rambling <grin> > > > At 10:17 AM 11/14/2002, you wrote: > >Tom, count me in on the mtDNA. Sounds fairly simple. They send an envelop > >with a swab. You swab your mouth and send it back. Have only read some, but > >is there a way to hone in on a closer relationship than sometime in the last > >10,000 years...lol. > >So, how long ago did Adam and Eve live..or Noah and his family? > > > >Lura > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .................................................................. > Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at > http://raogk.rootsweb.com/index.html

At 11:51 AM 11/14/2002, you wrote: >What do you in my wife's case. She was an only child, her father died in >1965 and her closest relative are cousins on her mother's side Claude, I don't know .... take a look at the links I sent earlier. Maybe they'll explain it for you. Tom Cloud <[email protected]>

Friends, I sadly report to you the passing of Billie (Mrs. James W.) Cloud. Many of you will remember her from Cloud Family Gatherings over the past 25 years. (She attended the Gathering in Huntsville in 2000, the one Jim promoted but did not live to see.) I believe the cause of death was "pulmonary fibrosis." We will sure miss her! Her obituary is published at: http://www.legacy.com/huntsville/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=656925 It is copied below. Please excuse multiple copies if you get them. Best wishes! Cec _________________________ Billie Cloud Died Dec. 12, 2002 Billie Hatchett Cloud, 80, of Huntsville, died Thursday. Mrs. Cloud, a native Huntsvillian, was a member of Soroptomist International. She was preceded in death by her husband, James W. Cloud, and was the daughter of Dr. William Clifton Hatchett and Minnie Johnson Hatchett. Survivors include three daughters, Carolyn Gallardo of Huntsville, Elaine Cloud, M.D. of Concord, N.C., and Teresa Crandall of Huntsville; stepbrother, Morris Worland of Titusville, Fla.; eight grandchildren; two great-grandsons; one niece and six nephews. Visitation will be 4 to 6 p.m. today at Laughlin Service Funeral Home. The funeral service will be 11 a.m. Monday at Holy Spirit Catholic Church with Father Francis Allen officiating. Burial will be in Maple Hill Cemetery with Laughlin Service Funeral Home in charge of arrangements. Memorials may be made to Hospice Family Care, 2225 Drake Ave.,Ste. 8, Huntsville, 35805. Published in The Huntsville Times on 12/15/2002. Flowers & gifts • Charities • Guest Book -- see http://www.legacy.com/huntsville/LegacySubPage2.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=656925