Have enjoyed the banter back and forth this morning -- I am nearly 85 years old and did not tackle the computer until I was 80 -- wonderful things happen as a result of using it. I am a Cloud descendant having trouble tracking back beyond my great great great grandfather William Cloud. He was in South Carolina and then in Georgia and his descendants mostly ended up in Texas. Wife was Sarah ---? Through DNA our line does not seem to match others being tested. Keep hoping. All have a good day Olive in Texas

I WAS UNAWARE.....THANK YOU! ----- Original Message ----- From: "JV" <vanc@bellsouth.net> To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Use of Capitol letters in doing Genealogy on the Internet. > Perhaps you are unaware, as was I until recently, that when typing an > e-mail, or reading one, just hold down the Ctrl key and roll your mouse > wheel and you can enlarge or reduce the size of type you are seeing, > without > changing the size of what is being sent to others. > > I've certainly enjoyed this feature now that I know of it. Van > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .................................................................. > Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List? > Submit a brief description of your ancestry. > > >

It's okay Stuccohouse, we will find those bunch of Clouds hiding hiding out down there. Connie Taylor, one year stroke survivor, who's typing is not the best either. ----- Original Message ----- From: "STUCCOHOUSEONWB" <STUCCOHOUSEONWB@netzero.net> To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Use of Capitol letters in doing Genealogy on the Internet. >I MUST ADMIT THAT MY TYPING HAS IMPROVED (I NOW USE THE BACKSPACE/DELETE >KEY). THIS EMAIL WILL TAKE ONLY ABOUT 5 MIN.. > > AS FOR POGO GAMES, I THINK THAT I AM CHEAPER THAN YOU. > > OH, BY THE WAY....WOULD YOU HAVE ANY INFO ON CLOUD FAMILIES IN SOUTHERN > INDIANA (WASHINGTON COUNTY) IN THE 1810-1830 PERIOD? THEY SEEM TO HAVE > COME FROM NORTH CAROLINA. > > THANKS AGAIN. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <NanaKip2@aol.com> > To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 8:27 AM > Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Use of Capitol letters in doing Genealogy on the > Internet. > > >> NOW YOU HAVE DONE IT...I DECIDED YOU ARE PRETTY COOL AND I'VE PUT IN IN >> MY >> ADDRESS BOOK...SO YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM ME... >> >> FIRST...YOUR TYPING LOOKS GOOD FROM HERE...BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET >> FASTER...TRY USING FOUR FINGERS INSTEAD OF TWO AND PRACTICE PRACTICE >> PRACTICE >> >> POGO IS A GAME SERVICE...WITH ABOUT A 100 DIFFERENT GAMES ON >> LINE...THERE IS >> A CHARGE...ABOUT 35 DOLLARS...WHICH I LIKE TO THINK OF AS 3 DOLLARS A >> MONTH >> CAUSE I'M SO CHEAP....IF YOU ARE INTERESTED GO TO THE SEARCH LINE...TYPE >> IN >> POGO.COM AND SEE WHAT YOU GET... >> >> YOUR NEW FRIEND, KIP >> >> >> ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== >> .................................................................. >> Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List? >> Submit a brief description of your ancestry. >> >> >> > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .................................................................. > Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List? > Submit a brief description of your ancestry. > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 > >

SORRY...MY CLOUDS ARE ALL DELAWARE...SO CAN'T HELP YOU...BUT IT IS FUN LOOKING ISN'T IT... WOULD YOU LIKE TO ME ON MY FUNNY EMAIL LIST?...NO POLITICS OR RELIGION UNLESS THEY ARE FUNNY...LET ME KNOW...KIP

NOW YOU HAVE DONE IT...I DECIDED YOU ARE PRETTY COOL AND I'VE PUT IN IN MY ADDRESS BOOK...SO YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM ME... FIRST...YOUR TYPING LOOKS GOOD FROM HERE...BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET FASTER...TRY USING FOUR FINGERS INSTEAD OF TWO AND PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE POGO IS A GAME SERVICE...WITH ABOUT A 100 DIFFERENT GAMES ON LINE...THERE IS A CHARGE...ABOUT 35 DOLLARS...WHICH I LIKE TO THINK OF AS 3 DOLLARS A MONTH CAUSE I'M SO CHEAP....IF YOU ARE INTERESTED GO TO THE SEARCH LINE...TYPE IN POGO.COM AND SEE WHAT YOU GET... YOUR NEW FRIEND, KIP

I'M SO GLAD I COULD PUT YOUR THOUGHTS INTO WORDS...IT WAS VERY NICE OF YOU TO LET ME KNOW...NOW I WILL WALK AROUND FEELING GOOD ALL DAY....LOL... DO YOU BELONG TO THE POGO GAMES...I ASK BECAUSE IN ONE OF MY FAVORITE ROOMS, ALL CAP TYPING IS HAPPILY ACCEPTED BY OUR FRIENDS WHO WANT TO HELP OUT FRIENDS WITH YOUR PROBLEMS... KIP

My experience has taught me that there are some people who type in all caps because their sight is poor and it helps them to see the print....so my suggestion is to ask... Kip

I MUST ADMIT THAT MY TYPING HAS IMPROVED (I NOW USE THE BACKSPACE/DELETE KEY). THIS EMAIL WILL TAKE ONLY ABOUT 5 MIN.. AS FOR POGO GAMES, I THINK THAT I AM CHEAPER THAN YOU. OH, BY THE WAY....WOULD YOU HAVE ANY INFO ON CLOUD FAMILIES IN SOUTHERN INDIANA (WASHINGTON COUNTY) IN THE 1810-1830 PERIOD? THEY SEEM TO HAVE COME FROM NORTH CAROLINA. THANKS AGAIN. ----- Original Message ----- From: <NanaKip2@aol.com> To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Use of Capitol letters in doing Genealogy on the Internet. > NOW YOU HAVE DONE IT...I DECIDED YOU ARE PRETTY COOL AND I'VE PUT IN IN > MY > ADDRESS BOOK...SO YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM ME... > > FIRST...YOUR TYPING LOOKS GOOD FROM HERE...BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET > FASTER...TRY USING FOUR FINGERS INSTEAD OF TWO AND PRACTICE PRACTICE > PRACTICE > > POGO IS A GAME SERVICE...WITH ABOUT A 100 DIFFERENT GAMES ON LINE...THERE > IS > A CHARGE...ABOUT 35 DOLLARS...WHICH I LIKE TO THINK OF AS 3 DOLLARS A > MONTH > CAUSE I'M SO CHEAP....IF YOU ARE INTERESTED GO TO THE SEARCH LINE...TYPE > IN > POGO.COM AND SEE WHAT YOU GET... > > YOUR NEW FRIEND, KIP > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .................................................................. > Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List? > Submit a brief description of your ancestry. > > >

Hi Folks: When I first started doing Genealogy many years ago, I didn't know that it was not a custom to use large capitol letters in emails; and often used them. But I soon found the primary reason for not doing so is because large groups of Capitol letters are more difficult to read at a glance; than genealogy messages written in conventional form with limited highlighting in capitol letters. But, perhaps the major reason while doing genealogy, is to be able to call attention to the family names that you are currently researching by using Capitol letters so the names will stand out from the remainder of the text. By putting the FAMILY NAME(s) only in all caps, it calls attention to the family name or subject that you are writing about. Seeing a highlighted FAMILY NAME tends to encourage the reader, especially those who receive a lot of genealogical messages, to stop and read the detail in the incoming message. This is especially applicable when the incoming message relates to a family that the reader is working on and has not been able to find a critical bit of data needed to complete or prove his/her family line. Remember, large massive paragraphs will all capitol letters are more difficult to read than normal type script and short paragraphs. So, it is more productive in genealogy to refrain from using all capitol letters in your outgoing messages. In summary, persons working on FAMILY NAME(s) related to your research will be more inclined to read your incoming message; than just skimming over them, if just the family name is in all caps. Tom King in VA. ------------------------------------------- X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:16:35 -0700 From: "helen sabin" _hsabin@cox.net_ (mailto:hsabin@cox.net) AMEN to that comment about taking the size of letters as an insult. It IS funny the things people think as Stormcatcher53 states. Some person makes up a rule and all the p....errrrr... people follow it. Let's break the rule shall we? Why...and again I ask why....are we following this rule? HELLO!! Helen Hill Sabin

GLAD TO PUT SOME SUNSHINE INTO YOU LIFE! : ) I'M NOT SURE WHAT POGO GAMES ARE, SO I GUESS THAT I HAVEN'T VISITED THAT SITE. I AM, HOWEVER, TRYING TO LEARN HOW TO TYPE. ----- Original Message ----- From: <NanaKip2@aol.com> To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Use of Capitol letters in doing Genealogy on the Internet. > I'M SO GLAD I COULD PUT YOUR THOUGHTS INTO WORDS...IT WAS VERY NICE OF > YOU > TO LET ME KNOW...NOW I WILL WALK AROUND FEELING GOOD ALL DAY....LOL... > > DO YOU BELONG TO THE POGO GAMES...I ASK BECAUSE IN ONE OF MY FAVORITE > ROOMS, > ALL CAP TYPING IS HAPPILY ACCEPTED BY OUR FRIENDS WHO WANT TO HELP OUT > FRIENDS WITH YOUR PROBLEMS... > > KIP > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > ................................................................ > Cloud Family DNA Project > http://mykindred.com/cloud/dna/ > > >

TO KIP, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS! BOTH MY EYE SIGHT AND TYPING SKILLS ARE POOR AND ALL CAPS ARE EASIER FOR ME. I SELDOM, IF EVER, ANYMORE, USE THIS SITE BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS OFFENSIVE. ----- Original Message ----- From: <NanaKip2@aol.com> To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Use of Capitol letters in doing Genealogy on the Internet. > My experience has taught me that there are some people who type in all > caps > because their sight is poor and it helps them to see the print....so my > suggestion is to ask... > > Kip > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .............................................................. > Join the Cloud Family Association: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud > > >

The one item missing in this message, telling why on the internet ALL CAPS are generally not used. When using all CAPS on the net it has become a signal for yelling at someone. I am sure most of the world, my self included, does not appreciate another individual yelling at them. Just my 2 cents worth. rob TomKingSr@aol.com wrote: Hi Folks: When I first started doing Genealogy many years ago, I didn't know that it was not a custom to use large capitol letters in emails; and often used them. But I soon found the primary reason for not doing so is because large groups of Capitol letters are more difficult to read at a glance; than genealogy messages written in conventional form with limited highlighting in capitol letters. But, perhaps the major reason while doing genealogy, is to be able to call attention to the family names that you are currently researching by using Capitol letters so the names will stand out from the remainder of the text. By putting the FAMILY NAME(s) only in all caps, it calls attention to the family name or subject that you are writing about. Seeing a highlighted FAMILY NAME tends to encourage the reader, especially those who receive a lot of genealogical messages, to stop and read the detail in the incoming message. This is especially applicable when the incoming message relates to a family that the reader is working on and has not been able to find a critical bit of data needed to complete or prove his/her family line. Remember, large massive paragraphs will all capitol letters are more difficult to read than normal type script and short paragraphs. So, it is more productive in genealogy to refrain from using all capitol letters in your outgoing messages. In summary, persons working on FAMILY NAME(s) related to your research will be more inclined to read your incoming message; than just skimming over them, if just the family name is in all caps. Tom King in VA. ------------------------------------------- X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:16:35 -0700 From: "helen sabin" _hsabin@cox.net_ (mailto:hsabin@cox.net) AMEN to that comment about taking the size of letters as an insult. It IS funny the things people think as Stormcatcher53 states. Some person makes up a rule and all the p....errrrr... people follow it. Let's break the rule shall we? Why...and again I ask why....are we following this rule? HELLO!! Helen Hill Sabin ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== Visit the Cloud Family Association web pages: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud/ ... http://mykindred.com/cloud/ "There is a very fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line. - Oscar Levant" "Growing old is mandatory, growing wise is optional." "Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled." Robbie Sanders robbiesanders@yahoo.com http://www.alternative-designs.net Home Phone Number 410-335-1727 Cell Phone Number 443-255-0756

Lonnie A. Cloud was the son of James Wesley Cloud. He was b. 1922 in LA and died 1972 in San Francisco, CA. He was a g-g-grandson of "my" Jeremiah (1784 GA - 1861 TX), the grandson of Thomas Newton Cloud and Martha Pugh of Montgomery cty, AL. http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/getperson.php?personID=I15575&tree=mykindred01 I need to know if Lonnie ever married and/or had any children. His mother died in San Francisco 6 years after he did (1-16-1978). This has been a most difficult branch of my family, as they all seem to have scattered and gotten lost. thanks, Tom Cloud

Tom -- in view of the exchange we have been having on the Claiborne Co. Clouds, in which mention has been made of a George Washington Cloud thought by one poster to have been the son of Capt. William Cloud, maybe we should make clear that the Washington Cloud who was the mayor of Pierce City was the second of William's sons with the same name. The captain was about 92 years old and on his death bed when the second one was born, according to the story, and chose the name himself, forgetting completely about the first one by a previous marriage. Super-patriot to the end (also vigorous a'plenty). Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Cloud" <tcloud@austin.rr.com> To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: [CLOUD] Washington Cloud, mayor of Pierce City, MO > > The July 16th issue of the Austin (Texas) American Statesman has an > article in a series on racial expulsions. This is about the town of > Pierce City, Missouri in the year 1901 and it mentions the mayor, > Washington Cloud. Washington Cloud was the son of William Cloud and was > married to Aurelia Weddington. He died in nearby Nevada, Missouri in 1929. > > The article can be seen at: > http://www.statesman.com/search/content/news/stories/nation/07/lod2lawrence.html > > > Information on Washington & Aurelia Cloud can be seen at: > http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/getperson.php?personID=I53012&tree=mykindred01 > > > Tom Cloud > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .............................................................. > Join the Cloud Family Association: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud >

Imogene -- all genealogies of this family that I have seen identify Joseph Cloud, husband of Jane Carpenter, as a son of Capt. William Cloud of Stokes Co., NC/Henry, Patrick, and Carroll Cos., VA. So your belief as to their being brothers is consistent with the view that Susannah Bondurant's husb. was another son of William's. And thanks for confirming that this Benj. F. and Susannah Bondurant Cloud had a son named Benjamin Franklin, Jr. (just to keep things rolling). Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Imogene Bennett" <Imogene.Bennett@att.net> To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: [CLOUD] Benjamin CLOUD & Susannah BONDURANT >I made an error and first sent this message to the Claiborne Co TN list >rather than the CLOUD list where this thread began, so this might be a >repeat for some of you. > > Regarding the thread going about Benjamin CLOUD who married Susannah > BONDURANT, I guess all are aware Susannah BONDURANT-Cloud was still alive > in 1860. She appears in 1850 with her children in Claiborne Co TN, > apparently widowed. Following is census for her in 1860 living with her > son, Benjamin Franklin and his wife Columbia. Somewhere in this > hodgepodge, I have their marriage record in Webster Co MO and believe > Columbia's maiden name was BOULDIN although I cannot find it at the > moment. > > 1860 Webster Co MO, Ozark Township > > #481 > CLOUD, B. F. 30 physician 2500/2832 TN > CLOUD, Columbia 21 NC > CLOUD, Joannah E. 9/12 MO > CLOUD, Susannah 71 TN > CLOUD, Leander 37 TN > CLOUD, Leander P. 15 AL > CLOUD, Dallas 12 AL > McCLARRY, Eliza 19 TN > McCARRY, Orlena 1 TN > McCARRY, Elizabeth 15 TN > MULLENS, Henderson 21 farm laborer TN > > Note: The 12- & 15-year-old CLOUD boys were maybe grandsons? They were > living in 1850 with their mother in Marshall Co AL. > > It is my belief Benjamin CLOUD who married Susannah BONDURANT was a > brother of Joseph CLOUD who married Jane CARPENTER. Benjamin came into > open court in Claiborne Co TN 22 Jun 1824 and made oath he was a > subscribing witness who saw Joseph CLOUD sign, seal, and declare it to be > his last will and testament. > > Also, regarding Benjamin Franklin CLOUD who married Mary CHADWELL (widow > of Walter MIDDLETON Sr.), some of their family (SCHULTZ & SHACKLEFORD) > moved to Springfield, Greene Co MO. I don't recall (without digging) > whether the Chadwell history shows daughter Louisianna Schultz d 17 Apr > 1889, but the Greene Co MO history gives year of death as 1884. If you > want to look at a biographical sketch of their son, William M. SCHULTZ, go > to this site: > > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/mo/greene/bios/s4320011.txt > > Imogene Bennett > Springfield, MO > Imogene.Bennett@att.net > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .................................................................. > Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List? > Submit a brief description of your ancestry. >

I made an error and first sent this message to the Claiborne Co TN list rather than the CLOUD list where this thread began, so this might be a repeat for some of you. Regarding the thread going about Benjamin CLOUD who married Susannah BONDURANT, I guess all are aware Susannah BONDURANT-Cloud was still alive in 1860. She appears in 1850 with her children in Claiborne Co TN, apparently widowed. Following is census for her in 1860 living with her son, Benjamin Franklin and his wife Columbia. Somewhere in this hodgepodge, I have their marriage record in Webster Co MO and believe Columbia's maiden name was BOULDIN although I cannot find it at the moment. 1860 Webster Co MO, Ozark Township #481 CLOUD, B. F. 30 physician 2500/2832 TN CLOUD, Columbia 21 NC CLOUD, Joannah E. 9/12 MO CLOUD, Susannah 71 TN CLOUD, Leander 37 TN CLOUD, Leander P. 15 AL CLOUD, Dallas 12 AL McCLARRY, Eliza 19 TN McCARRY, Orlena 1 TN McCARRY, Elizabeth 15 TN MULLENS, Henderson 21 farm laborer TN Note: The 12- & 15-year-old CLOUD boys were maybe grandsons? They were living in 1850 with their mother in Marshall Co AL. It is my belief Benjamin CLOUD who married Susannah BONDURANT was a brother of Joseph CLOUD who married Jane CARPENTER. Benjamin came into open court in Claiborne Co TN 22 Jun 1824 and made oath he was a subscribing witness who saw Joseph CLOUD sign, seal, and declare it to be his last will and testament. Also, regarding Benjamin Franklin CLOUD who married Mary CHADWELL (widow of Walter MIDDLETON Sr.), some of their family (SCHULTZ & SHACKLEFORD) moved to Springfield, Greene Co MO. I don't recall (without digging) whether the Chadwell history shows daughter Louisianna Schultz d 17 Apr 1889, but the Greene Co MO history gives year of death as 1884. If you want to look at a biographical sketch of their son, William M. SCHULTZ, go to this site: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/mo/greene/bios/s4320011.txt Imogene Bennett Springfield, MO Imogene.Bennett@att.net

The July 16th issue of the Austin (Texas) American Statesman has an article in a series on racial expulsions. This is about the town of Pierce City, Missouri in the year 1901 and it mentions the mayor, Washington Cloud. Washington Cloud was the son of William Cloud and was married to Aurelia Weddington. He died in nearby Nevada, Missouri in 1929. The article can be seen at: http://www.statesman.com/search/content/news/stories/nation/07/lod2lawrence.html Information on Washington & Aurelia Cloud can be seen at: http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/getperson.php?personID=I53012&tree=mykindred01 Tom Cloud

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Merkison Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YNJ.2ACIB/869.1 Message Board Post: Dear Kelly. My name is Kathy and I am of the Merkison Descents.My fathers name is also Jimmy but it is Jimmy J. Merkison from Bainbridge, Ga. His fathers name was Eli Merkison of Blounstown, Fla. buried there but was born in Bainbridge, Ga. Elis fathers name was John Merkison born in Bainbridge,Decatur Co. Ga. and buried in Seminole Co. Ga. I have been told our branch of the Merkison family originated in Texas, where I do not know.My family is scattered from Ga. to South Carolina, to Tall.Fla, to Mississippi.I do not know if we will be of any help to each other but I would like to know.Our email address is killroye@isoa.net thanks for your time,Kathy Killingsworth

Harry wrote: >Before I offer some follow-up comments, maybe I should try to give a little explanation for the benefit of other subscribers. Thank you for the enlightening explanation of the Benjamin Franklin Cloud mystery. As I have a Cloud/Bondurant couple in my line who went from NC to Claiborne Co. TN, I'll post some information in hopes of finding a connection to some of the families currently being discussed. Elizabeth CLOUD, born about 1765 in Stokes County, North Carolina, married Richard BONDURANTabout 1789 in NC. Apparently they were in Claiborne Co. TN for a relatively short time before moving ont to Hamilton County, Indiana. I have noticed other Cloud-Bondurant marriages on the website. Can anyone fit Elizabeth, b. about 1765, into a Stokes County NC family? Roberta Sharp

Ron - thanks for the detailed response to my question about Benjamin F. Cloud and Susannah Bondurant. I didn't mean to make you work so hard. Before I offer some follow-up comments, maybe I should try to give a little explanation for the benefit of other subscribers. What we're dealing with in this series of posts is one of the major concentrations of the Cloud family in the post-Revolution South - in Claiborne Co., TN, which was formed in 1801. Many of them had previously been located in Hawkins Co., NC (later TN) from which Claiborne was created. Two branches of the family, both settled in North Carolina and/or Virginia since the mid-18th Century, contributed pioneers to Claiborne. One branch was identified with Peter's Creek, a Dan River tributary that flows across the VA/NC border in Stokes Co., NC (orig. part of Surry Co.) and Patrick Co., VA (orig. part of Henry Co.). The other came from the Quaker community of Cane Creek in Orange Co., NC. Since, as was so often the case with the early Clouds, many had similar names, family historians have had a fine old time trying to make sense out of the tangle in Claiborne, with its spillover into neighboring Lee County, in Virginia. Since later generations of these families sent quite a few of their sons and daughters westward, the attempts to nail down the Claiborne/Hawkins/Sullivan Clouds could be of wider interest than to just those Clouds still living in the northeastern section of Tennessee and nearby Virginia and Kentucky. Of all the confusions connected to the Claiborne Clouds, I nominate for top honors those that are centered on the names "Benjamin" and "Benjamin Franklin." These Benjamins were apparently all members of the Peter's Creek branch, but since the patriarch of that branch - Joseph Cloud, Sr. (ca. 1710 - 1779) - sired possibly as many as seven sons and since at least four of those had sons named "Benjamin" or "Benjamin F.," there's a lot of room for error and frustration. The theory that two of those confusing "Benjamin Fs" - the one married to Mary (Chadwell) Middleton in 1801 and the one identified as the husband of Susannah Bondurant - are in fact one and the same is interesting but raises a number of questions. As I understand it, you speculate that Susannah was the second wife of Benjamin Franklin Cloud b. 1777. But, as you point out, his will of 1845 refers to his wife "Mary," and the record shows that she (Mary, his widow) did not die until 1856. And if we take another tack and say that Susannah was his mistress rather than wife, it's seems still unlikely to me that he would have excluded his children by her from his will altogether. According to a Cloud Family Association member, at least one of those children - her ancestor William R. Cloud - was still alive in 1845, when the will was written. An alternative view concerning these two families holds that we are dealing with two different Benjamin Franklin Clouds, one - as you say - the son of Capt. William Cloud, Rev. S., of Stokes Co., NC, and Henry/Patrick Cos. VA, by his second wife Elizabeth Morgan, and the other the son of William's brother, Capt. Joseph Cloud Jr. (sometimes referred to as "Major" Cloud), of Stokes Co., NC. It was this Joseph Cloud who is credited with being involved in the establishment of Rogersville in Hawkins Co., TN, during his temporary residence in that area after the Revolution. If there were indeed two Benjamin Franklin Clouds of the same generation who ended up in Claiborne, which one was married to Mary Chadwell and which to Susannah Bondurant? That CFA member who descends from William R. Cloud, son of Susannah Bondurant Cloud, believes that it was Susannah's husband who was the son of Capt. William. I don't know how much solid evidence there is for that assumption, but the parallel that Mary Chadwell's Benj. F. was the son of Capt. Joseph fits with the account given by his grandson Alexander Moore Cloud (son of Benj. F. Cloud Jr., b. in 1802) in his sketch of his family history (published as part of "Old Time Tazewell" series, reprinted in "Reflections," quarterly newsletter of the Claiborne Co. Hist. Society, v. 5, no. 2, spring 1987). He specifically identifies his grandfather Benjamin Cloud as the son of a Joseph Cloud who had come "over the mountains" from Stokes County, North Carolina, and "entered a large tract that included what is now Bean Station." Bean Station was and still is in Hawkins Co, not far from the Cloud's Creek area and from Rogersville. If the above interpretation is true, we are still faced with a number of puzzling questions. One concerns the George W. Cloud (b. in 1810, according to your data) who witnessed the 1845 will of Benjamin F. Cloud in Lee Co., VA. In your post of July 14, you identify him as Benjamin's brother (rather than son), and therefore, according to that interpretation, another son of Capt. William. You also say that he married Elizabeth Chadwell, Mary's niece and stayed in the Rose Hill area of Lee. This contradicts what I have seen elsewhere (can't give you the source - my apologies) that Capt. William's son George W. (the first one, of course) was married in April 1828 to a Lucinda Walker (for what it's worth, I also have a death date for him: August 28, 1858, in Carroll Co., VA). In any case, the George W. Cloud who witnessed the will must have been a relative, but it doesn't seem out of the question that he was a cousin rather than a brother. At any rate, these exchanges help focus the mind, and here's hoping that in time we will be able to sort these folks out and arrive at a consensus. Again, thanks for your careful responses to my question and to the query that initiated these posts. Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: <MRJGA@aol.com> To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Re: Cloud/Shoemaker > Harry, > > Benjamin F. Cloud b. 1777 (son of Capt. William Cloud) first married Mary > (Polly) Chadwell. Mary (Polly) was a widow of about one year when they > married. > See "Early Settlers of Lee County, VA" Benjamin lived in Lee County, VA. > prior to living in Claiborne County, TN. I made copies of the property > plat > they owned in Lee Co., VA. It is one of the earliest plats in the > Jonesville, > Lee County, court house. I believe you will find that Benjamin Cloud also > sat > on the commission that hired Daniel Boone and associates to cut the road > through the Cumberland Gap. > > Mary Chadwell's father David Chadwell owned most of that area when Rose > Hill, > Lee County, VA was called "Martin's Station". Later, David Chadwell moved > to > Clairborne County,TN and lived there in his later years but some of his > children remained in the Rose Hill area inheriting some of his land. > > After the death of Mary "Polly" Chadwell, it seems that Benjamin F. Cloud > b. > 1777 also moved to Claiborne, TN. His son Benjamin Cloud b. 1802 was the > county clerk there in Claiborne. When you study the records in Claiborne > Co. it > seems that Benjamin Cloud b. 1777 remarried to Sussana Bondurant and had > several more children. > > Benjamin Cloud's [b. 1777] brother George W. Cloud b. 1810 married the > daughter of David Chadwell Jr. the brother of Mary Polly Chadwell i.e. > Elizabeth > Chadwell and stayed in the Rose Hill or Martin's Station area. They > probably > lived on land that was inherited from David Chadwell Sr. who was a Captain > in > the Revolutionary War and it is said owned some 27,000 acres in that area. > > I base the above on excerpts of the book "Early Settlers of Lee County, > VA" > and the rightings of David Chadwell's youngest son born very late in life > named > Jackson Chadwell. That in itself is very interesting reading. > > David Chadwell Sr. lived to age 100 but late in life lived with a much > younger woman and had a son by her named Jackson Chadwell. The older > children by > his first marriage were upset by this action and he decided to give them > all > land before his death and after that ignored their feelings about his > young > mistress. > > Note long before David Chadwell Sr. died he made his own casket. Jackson > tells how he would lay in the newly made casket and read the Bible. ? :) > He > was known to have lots of money and after he died people would come to > where he > lived and dig around hoping to find where he put the money. However, > there > doesn't seem to be any record of anyone finding any buried treasure. > > A study of the Cloud family in Lee County, VA shows that most are > descendents > of David Chadwell Sr. more than one way. Like other early rural families > the > married cousins. > > By the way there was another Benjamin F. Cloud, a doctor, that lived in > Claiborne County, TN but was born later and was a nephew. The was also > another > much younger Greenbury Cloud who was a sheriff in Claiborne County, VA. > When I > was last in Claiborne County, TN there were still members of the Cloud > family > living west of town. > > Benjamin and Greenbury were very popular names in the Cloud family. As I > see > it the only way to get a handle on who is who is to do as I did. Put > together a spread sheet and trace the branches down by birth dates and > other > information including the census dates from 1850 onward. > > Ron Wilson > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .................................................................. > Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at > http://raogk.rootsweb.com/index.html >