Margaret, I believe this is "our" Willis Elzie Cloud (JUL 24 1915 - MAY 8 2002), the grandson of John Clark Cloud, Jr and a g-g-grandson of our Texas Jeremiah Cloud (1782 GA -1861 TX). I have no record of his branch, so this is new information for me. ... thanks. At 12:49 PM 1/7/2003, Margaret Lindly wrote: >I found this in the East Valley Tribune Newspaper from Mesa AZ > >Friday January 3, 2003 >Laura Juanita Cloud >Laura Juanita Cloud was born February 4, 1920 and died Wednesday , January >1,2003in Scottsdale, AZ following a brief illness. She was 82 years old. >She was preceded in death by her husband , Willis Elzie "Jack" Cloud in May >2002 and is servived by her daughters,Marlene (Bill) Dowling , Deanna >Pauline Cloud; sisters, Josephine Radulovich, Cynthia Snyder, brother Jesse >Wayne Childers; 5 grandchildren and 3 great-grandchildren. Funeral services >will be held 10AM Saturday, January 4, 2003 at The Chapel of Bueler >Mortuary, 14 W. Hulet Drive in Chandler , AZ, with visitation 1 hour prior >to the service. > > > >If anyone that is related to this person and would like the copy of the >newspaper article please email me at: >[email protected] > > >--- Margaret Lindly >--- [email protected] >--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

I found this in the East Valley Tribune Newspaper from Mesa AZ Friday January 3, 2003 Laura Juanita Cloud Laura Juanita Cloud was born February 4, 1920 and died Wednesday , January 1,2003in Scottsdale, AZ following a brief illness. She was 82 years old. She was preceded in death by her husband , Willis Elzie "Jack" Cloud in May 2002 and is servived by her daughters,Marlene (Bill) Dowling , Deanna Pauline Cloud; sisters, Josephine Radulovich, Cynthia Snyder, brother Jesse Wayne Childers; 5 grandchildren and 3 great-grandchildren. Funeral services will be held 10AM Saturday, January 4, 2003 at The Chapel of Bueler Mortuary, 14 W. Hulet Drive in Chandler , AZ, with visitation 1 hour prior to the service. If anyone that is related to this person and would like the copy of the newspaper article please email me at: [email protected] --- Margaret Lindly --- [email protected] --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

The information I received from someone doing research on these people, said this Ransom died in 1850...

I have Joel Cloud, married Angelina Hoffman, as the son of Ransom and Katherine Hildebrand Cloud.

I suspected a connection also with the Ransom Cloud who married Katherine Hildebrand. but there are limited resources for North Carolina at the library I have access to....I have been able to comtact someone who is a decendant of Ransom and Katherine, but we could make no connection... As far as Zilpha goes, this Zilpha is the only Zilpha Cloud I have ever seen, and the Clouds always seemed to name their children after each other. Reba

Ransom and Zilpha are very mysterous people....They don't seem to fit anywhere with the other Decatur Co. Clouds.....I have only found one other researcher in the last 15 years that is a decendant of Ransom, through his son Daniel Martin....She said she searched long and hard and gave up years ago..... I have been trying to plan a trip to go look through the land records, but I haven't been able to as of yet... The family with Ransom in 1880 in Wakulla Co. Fla. is a big puzzle that I would like to be solved.....If you will notice for the children the census shows that both are born in Florida, and their father and mother are born in Florida...Everything I have on Ransom shows that he was born in Ga, and his parents were born in South Carolina...This leads me to think that these children are not his, and that the census taker wrote down the wrong name....I once went all the way to Wakulla County, to search, and was told the courthouse burned and All records were lost.....(A Wasted TRip) Ransom married Mary Ann Donalson in Decatur Co., in 1854. I am sure you have already looked at the census, but anyway....In 1860 they are shown as having 2 children...Daniel & Wm..Ransom also has custody of Louisa. Her last name is not shown on the census, but she was the daughter of Moses and Zilpha (Cloud)Oliver...Moses died sometime before 1860...In 1870, Ransom (Rance) and Mary are shown with children Daniel, James, Charles (my line), John and Edmond.....In the last years before 1880, land was taken from Ransom for taxes..(Info from a book, I forgotten the name...something about Newspapers of Decatur Co.) I have never seen where Ransom was on any Tax Digest (which also leads me to think he maybe had another name he used ????) I don't know where he got land from...I don't know what happened to Mary Ann.... Mary Ann was the daughter of James W. Donalson, (another mystery), and May or Mary unknown....He left her land in his will, and made it very clear that the land was for Mary and her heirs, NOT for Ransom.... In 1880, Ransom in Wakulla Co., FL..... Charles, (my great grandfather) is in Decatur Co. with Iana S. Thompson....Morgan is in the house, Pine Hill Dis., with his uncle Samuel Donalson (Mary Ann's brother). Morgan's last name is spelled CLAUD....James, last name also spelled CLAUD, is in the house with Sarah K. Cherry...also, the Dannel CLAUD, in the house with Wm. Dies, I believe to be Daniel Cloud, son of Ransom and Mary Ann.... In 1860, Zilpha is shown living with George Oliver, and if I remember right it was in Mitchell Co. The census taker spelled her name Zilvey or Silvey..I have forgotten exactly. I found that census accidently while doing a lookup for someone....it just sort of jumped out at me... As for Zilpha, somehow, I believe that she was born in 1815....Don't ask why, it is just one of those things....I guess because her age is so consistant on all the census records from 1850 through 1880.... Oh yes, there is another mystery Cloud of Decatur Co...Maybe he is the clue to Ransom, Martin, and Zilpha.....There is a Burlison Cloud in the 1830 census. He is not listed in the index, but he is on page 3, line 20....... At this time this is all I can think of.....Several months ago when I first read all of input on the list, I was so hoping you had found something in the land records....I believe you have all the other Decatur Clouds figured out.....

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cloud, Mayall, Allen, Rogers Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YNJ.2ACIB/494.505.1 Message Board Post: Thank you but my Daniel died in IL. I have read about that Daniel though and they are probably related Mary Cookson

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YNJ.2ACIB/56.1 Message Board Post: I am sure this is Marla that has researched our family. Marla, this is your cousin Gerri in NJ. I understand you have done quite a bit of research on the Schalow family and have compiled a document. My father told me that he has a copy and am wondering if you could even e-mail a copy to me. Many thanks -- do stay in touch! your "oldest" cousin . . . gerri

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YNJ.2ACIB/494.505 Message Board Post: I don't have he details at my fingertips, but there was a Daniel Cloud from KY who was killed at the Alamo. He wrote a rather famous letter to his relatives telling them why he joined the cause for Texas independence. It is possible that your Daniel was the son of a relative who named him after the Alamo Daniel.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cloud, Andrews, Hoffer, Mayall, Wompler Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YNJ.2ACIB/494.504.1.2 Message Board Post: I have found That Daniel was born about 1817 in Boon County Ky. according to his last marrage applacation. his parents where Danial Cloud and Lavarance ? Danial marrages was Myra Mayall married in Ohio 1842 He married Mary aj Rogers in DeWitt County IL.1864 they had a daughter Anna Cloud Then he married Sarah Allan 1879 Macon County IL. he died in Maroa IL. 1882. I am still Trying to find out more about his parents and hope some one can help.

I am trying to contact GAIL MANAC who is a direct descendant of RANSOM CLOUD. The Email address I had for her was "[email protected]" but my message to her at that address is returned undelivered. An older phone number for Gail in Argyle, GA was 912-487-2916 but it is no longer in service. Any contact info will be appreciated. REX SANDERS

Found her in a guest book on http://globalguest.com/gb/SMARVEL/guestbook26.html listed as [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Rex Sanders To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: [CLOUD-L] GAIL MANAC I am trying to contact GAIL MANAC who is a direct descendant of RANSOM CLOUD. The Email address I had for her was "[email protected]" but my message to her at that address is returned undelivered. An older phone number for Gail in Argyle, GA was 912-487-2916 but it is no longer in service. Any contact info will be appreciated. REX SANDERS ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== ................................................................ Check out the Cloud Family web site: http://mykindred.com/cloud/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YNJ.2ACIB/751.1.2 Message Board Post: Did your James Cloud live in Hebron, Ct. and Clinton, Ind.???? thanks

My notes seem to indicate the info came from Jim Brewton; as much of the data I have has. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [CLOUD-L] ZILPHA, RANSOM, AND MARTIN H. CLOUD > Ken -- if you're right about Ransom P., then clearly I have got hold of some > bad info. I'll check to see what doumentation I have. Harry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Cloud" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:47 AM > Subject: Re: [CLOUD-L] ZILPHA, RANSOM, AND MARTIN H. CLOUD > > > > My records have a Ransom P. married to Catherine Hildebrand, I have not > > dates for either. Have him as son of Aaron Guard Cloud and Eleanor McCoy, > > both of ILL and married in 1883. Have siblings as Chaloner Guard Cloud, b > > abt 1846, and Mary Ellen Cloud b abt 1853. > > > > I have another Ranson M. b abt 1869 NC, son of Joel Cloud and Angelina > > Hoffman. > > > > Also have Ransom Cloud, b Unk, wife Mary Ann donalson, all children born > in > > Decatur Co., GA. Children are: Charles Jefferson, Daniel Martin, Edmund > > Morgan and John Henry. > > > > Ken Cloud > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harry Hogan" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [CLOUD-L] ZILPHA, RANSOM, AND MARTIN H. CLOUD > > > > > > > Rex -- I don't know whether it's pertinent, but a son of Judge Joel > Cloud > > > (abt 1789-1855) of Rutherford Co., NC, was named Ransom Pinckney Cloud. > > > Born about 1806 in Rutherford, he married Katherine Hildebrand and > had -- > > > acc. to my records -- four children, but no son named "Ransom" (the only > > > male was "Joel"). His sister, whose first name I don't have, married a > > chap > > > named Tallent and named a son "Ransom Cloud Tallent." "Ransom" is an > > > unusual name, so it's hard to believe that there's not some connection. > > > Harry > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rex Sanders" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 8:42 PM > > > Subject: [CLOUD-L] ZILPHA, RANSOM, AND MARTIN H. CLOUD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What better way to start 2003 than to reach back and pull up > one > > > of > > > > those UNSOLVED CLOUD MYSTERIES. In the 1830 US Census for Decatur > Co., > > GA > > > > there appears ZILPHA CLOUD on page 14 as head of household. Her age > is > > > > reported as 20-30 and the record includes 1M<5 and 1M5-10. Most, who > > have > > > > expressed an opinion, believe that those two males are RANSOM CLOUD > who > > > was > > > > born in 1827 and MARTIN H. CLOUD who was born in 1825. > > > > > > > > Then, one year later, on 5 Dec 1831, ZILPHA CLOUD marries > MOSES > > > > OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA. According to the 1840 US Census for MOSES > > > > OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA, ZILPHA is shown as 1F30-40 which is > > consistent > > > > with the age of 20-30 from the 1830 census record. > > > > > > > > The 1850 US Census for MOSES OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA shows > > > ZILPHA > > > > as 35 years old [instead of the expected age of 40-50]. Included with > > > this > > > > census record are M. CLOUD [presumed to be MARTIN H. CLOUD], RANSOM > > CLOUD, > > > > and five OLIVER children. > > > > > > > > The UNSOLVED MYSTERY: > > > > > > > > Is Zilpha the older sister of MARTIN H. and RANSOM CLOUD? If > > this > > > > is the case, we need parents [a mother and a CLOUD father] who were > > > married > > > > on or before 1804 [assuming ZILPHA was b: c 1805]. The earliest > CLOUDS > > > > showing up in Southwest Georgia were ELIZABETH CLOUD, widow of PETER > > > CLOUD, > > > > and JOHN CLOUD [b: c 1782] when they appeared in Early Co., GA [later > > > > Decatur Co] in 1820. Then, we have to wonder about the lapse of time > > from > > > > ZILPHA'S birth of 1805, and MARTIN'S birth of 1825. This is 20 years. > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > Is ZILPHA the mother of MARTIN H. and RANSOM CLOUD? If this > is > > > the > > > > case, we need a CLOUD father who married ZILPHA circa 1824. This is > the > > > > year after Decatur County, GA was created from Early County, GA. > There > > > > were limited candidates that can fit and the best candidate is REUBEN > > > CLOUD > > > > (b: c 1803). He was 21 years old in 1824 and we don't have a record > of > > a > > > > marriage for him until 11 Oct 1830 to Lotty Gideons. It is possible > > that > > > > he could have married ZILPHA __________ in 1824, fathered MARTIN H. > > CLOUD > > > > and RANSOM CLOUD and left ZILPHA for a marriage to LOTTY GIDEONS in > > 1830. > > > > REUBEN'S brother, MANSICO, was b: 1812 and would be too young to > qualify > > > as > > > > a candidate. > > > > > > > > Reuben's older brother, JOHN CLOUD (b: c 1782) was there at > the > > > > time and was old enough to qualify. BUT, JOHN's first wife, MARY > SHIPES > > > > CLOUD was enumerated with him in the 1830 US Census in Decatur Co., > GA. > > I > > > > have never seen a date of death for his wife MARY, but JOHN CLOUD m: > 2nd > > > > SARAH DEAN on 11 Sep 1838 so we can assume that MARY SHIPES CLOUD died > > > > between 1830 and 1838. Incidentally, the marriage to SARAH DEAN in > 1838 > > > > does not appear on the Decatur County marriage indices. And, JOHN'S > > four > > > > sons were too young, the oldest being born in 1809, or 15 years of age > > in > > > > 1824. > > > > > > > > Somewhere, there are other pieces to this puzzle and I hope that those > > of > > > > you on this CLOUD LIST will offer them up. For example, one of the > keys > > > to > > > > the above theories is a factual age for ZILPHA CLOUD. Was she born in > > > 1805 > > > > as indicated by the 1830/1840 census records, or was she born in 1815 > as > > > > indicated by the 1850 census record. I have census records for ZILPHA > > > > OLIVER for 1870 and 1880 but have not located a census for her for > 1860. > > > > Is there another alternative theory to the two presented above? > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > > > > Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List? > > > > If you're new, please submit a brief description of your ancestry. > > > > Cloud HomePages: http://mykindred.com/cloud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > > > Cloud Family Association sites: > > > http://mykindred.com/cloud ..... http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > > .................................................................. > > Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at > > http://raogk.rootsweb.com/index.html > > > > > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .................................................................. > Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at > http://raogk.rootsweb.com > >

Ken -- if you're right about Ransom P., then clearly I have got hold of some bad info. I'll check to see what doumentation I have. Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Cloud" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [CLOUD-L] ZILPHA, RANSOM, AND MARTIN H. CLOUD > My records have a Ransom P. married to Catherine Hildebrand, I have not > dates for either. Have him as son of Aaron Guard Cloud and Eleanor McCoy, > both of ILL and married in 1883. Have siblings as Chaloner Guard Cloud, b > abt 1846, and Mary Ellen Cloud b abt 1853. > > I have another Ranson M. b abt 1869 NC, son of Joel Cloud and Angelina > Hoffman. > > Also have Ransom Cloud, b Unk, wife Mary Ann donalson, all children born in > Decatur Co., GA. Children are: Charles Jefferson, Daniel Martin, Edmund > Morgan and John Henry. > > Ken Cloud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harry Hogan" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: [CLOUD-L] ZILPHA, RANSOM, AND MARTIN H. CLOUD > > > > Rex -- I don't know whether it's pertinent, but a son of Judge Joel Cloud > > (abt 1789-1855) of Rutherford Co., NC, was named Ransom Pinckney Cloud. > > Born about 1806 in Rutherford, he married Katherine Hildebrand and had -- > > acc. to my records -- four children, but no son named "Ransom" (the only > > male was "Joel"). His sister, whose first name I don't have, married a > chap > > named Tallent and named a son "Ransom Cloud Tallent." "Ransom" is an > > unusual name, so it's hard to believe that there's not some connection. > > Harry > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rex Sanders" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 8:42 PM > > Subject: [CLOUD-L] ZILPHA, RANSOM, AND MARTIN H. CLOUD > > > > > > > > > > What better way to start 2003 than to reach back and pull up one > > of > > > those UNSOLVED CLOUD MYSTERIES. In the 1830 US Census for Decatur Co., > GA > > > there appears ZILPHA CLOUD on page 14 as head of household. Her age is > > > reported as 20-30 and the record includes 1M<5 and 1M5-10. Most, who > have > > > expressed an opinion, believe that those two males are RANSOM CLOUD who > > was > > > born in 1827 and MARTIN H. CLOUD who was born in 1825. > > > > > > Then, one year later, on 5 Dec 1831, ZILPHA CLOUD marries MOSES > > > OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA. According to the 1840 US Census for MOSES > > > OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA, ZILPHA is shown as 1F30-40 which is > consistent > > > with the age of 20-30 from the 1830 census record. > > > > > > The 1850 US Census for MOSES OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA shows > > ZILPHA > > > as 35 years old [instead of the expected age of 40-50]. Included with > > this > > > census record are M. CLOUD [presumed to be MARTIN H. CLOUD], RANSOM > CLOUD, > > > and five OLIVER children. > > > > > > The UNSOLVED MYSTERY: > > > > > > Is Zilpha the older sister of MARTIN H. and RANSOM CLOUD? If > this > > > is the case, we need parents [a mother and a CLOUD father] who were > > married > > > on or before 1804 [assuming ZILPHA was b: c 1805]. The earliest CLOUDS > > > showing up in Southwest Georgia were ELIZABETH CLOUD, widow of PETER > > CLOUD, > > > and JOHN CLOUD [b: c 1782] when they appeared in Early Co., GA [later > > > Decatur Co] in 1820. Then, we have to wonder about the lapse of time > from > > > ZILPHA'S birth of 1805, and MARTIN'S birth of 1825. This is 20 years. > > > > > > OR > > > > > > Is ZILPHA the mother of MARTIN H. and RANSOM CLOUD? If this is > > the > > > case, we need a CLOUD father who married ZILPHA circa 1824. This is the > > > year after Decatur County, GA was created from Early County, GA. There > > > were limited candidates that can fit and the best candidate is REUBEN > > CLOUD > > > (b: c 1803). He was 21 years old in 1824 and we don't have a record of > a > > > marriage for him until 11 Oct 1830 to Lotty Gideons. It is possible > that > > > he could have married ZILPHA __________ in 1824, fathered MARTIN H. > CLOUD > > > and RANSOM CLOUD and left ZILPHA for a marriage to LOTTY GIDEONS in > 1830. > > > REUBEN'S brother, MANSICO, was b: 1812 and would be too young to qualify > > as > > > a candidate. > > > > > > Reuben's older brother, JOHN CLOUD (b: c 1782) was there at the > > > time and was old enough to qualify. BUT, JOHN's first wife, MARY SHIPES > > > CLOUD was enumerated with him in the 1830 US Census in Decatur Co., GA. > I > > > have never seen a date of death for his wife MARY, but JOHN CLOUD m: 2nd > > > SARAH DEAN on 11 Sep 1838 so we can assume that MARY SHIPES CLOUD died > > > between 1830 and 1838. Incidentally, the marriage to SARAH DEAN in 1838 > > > does not appear on the Decatur County marriage indices. And, JOHN'S > four > > > sons were too young, the oldest being born in 1809, or 15 years of age > in > > > 1824. > > > > > > Somewhere, there are other pieces to this puzzle and I hope that those > of > > > you on this CLOUD LIST will offer them up. For example, one of the keys > > to > > > the above theories is a factual age for ZILPHA CLOUD. Was she born in > > 1805 > > > as indicated by the 1830/1840 census records, or was she born in 1815 as > > > indicated by the 1850 census record. I have census records for ZILPHA > > > OLIVER for 1870 and 1880 but have not located a census for her for 1860. > > > Is there another alternative theory to the two presented above? > > > > > > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > > > Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List? > > > If you're new, please submit a brief description of your ancestry. > > > Cloud HomePages: http://mykindred.com/cloud > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > > Cloud Family Association sites: > > http://mykindred.com/cloud ..... http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud > > > > > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .................................................................. > Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at > http://raogk.rootsweb.com/index.html > >

My records have a Ransom P. married to Catherine Hildebrand, I have not dates for either. Have him as son of Aaron Guard Cloud and Eleanor McCoy, both of ILL and married in 1883. Have siblings as Chaloner Guard Cloud, b abt 1846, and Mary Ellen Cloud b abt 1853. I have another Ranson M. b abt 1869 NC, son of Joel Cloud and Angelina Hoffman. Also have Ransom Cloud, b Unk, wife Mary Ann donalson, all children born in Decatur Co., GA. Children are: Charles Jefferson, Daniel Martin, Edmund Morgan and John Henry. Ken Cloud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [CLOUD-L] ZILPHA, RANSOM, AND MARTIN H. CLOUD > Rex -- I don't know whether it's pertinent, but a son of Judge Joel Cloud > (abt 1789-1855) of Rutherford Co., NC, was named Ransom Pinckney Cloud. > Born about 1806 in Rutherford, he married Katherine Hildebrand and had -- > acc. to my records -- four children, but no son named "Ransom" (the only > male was "Joel"). His sister, whose first name I don't have, married a chap > named Tallent and named a son "Ransom Cloud Tallent." "Ransom" is an > unusual name, so it's hard to believe that there's not some connection. > Harry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rex Sanders" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 8:42 PM > Subject: [CLOUD-L] ZILPHA, RANSOM, AND MARTIN H. CLOUD > > > > > > What better way to start 2003 than to reach back and pull up one > of > > those UNSOLVED CLOUD MYSTERIES. In the 1830 US Census for Decatur Co., GA > > there appears ZILPHA CLOUD on page 14 as head of household. Her age is > > reported as 20-30 and the record includes 1M<5 and 1M5-10. Most, who have > > expressed an opinion, believe that those two males are RANSOM CLOUD who > was > > born in 1827 and MARTIN H. CLOUD who was born in 1825. > > > > Then, one year later, on 5 Dec 1831, ZILPHA CLOUD marries MOSES > > OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA. According to the 1840 US Census for MOSES > > OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA, ZILPHA is shown as 1F30-40 which is consistent > > with the age of 20-30 from the 1830 census record. > > > > The 1850 US Census for MOSES OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA shows > ZILPHA > > as 35 years old [instead of the expected age of 40-50]. Included with > this > > census record are M. CLOUD [presumed to be MARTIN H. CLOUD], RANSOM CLOUD, > > and five OLIVER children. > > > > The UNSOLVED MYSTERY: > > > > Is Zilpha the older sister of MARTIN H. and RANSOM CLOUD? If this > > is the case, we need parents [a mother and a CLOUD father] who were > married > > on or before 1804 [assuming ZILPHA was b: c 1805]. The earliest CLOUDS > > showing up in Southwest Georgia were ELIZABETH CLOUD, widow of PETER > CLOUD, > > and JOHN CLOUD [b: c 1782] when they appeared in Early Co., GA [later > > Decatur Co] in 1820. Then, we have to wonder about the lapse of time from > > ZILPHA'S birth of 1805, and MARTIN'S birth of 1825. This is 20 years. > > > > OR > > > > Is ZILPHA the mother of MARTIN H. and RANSOM CLOUD? If this is > the > > case, we need a CLOUD father who married ZILPHA circa 1824. This is the > > year after Decatur County, GA was created from Early County, GA. There > > were limited candidates that can fit and the best candidate is REUBEN > CLOUD > > (b: c 1803). He was 21 years old in 1824 and we don't have a record of a > > marriage for him until 11 Oct 1830 to Lotty Gideons. It is possible that > > he could have married ZILPHA __________ in 1824, fathered MARTIN H. CLOUD > > and RANSOM CLOUD and left ZILPHA for a marriage to LOTTY GIDEONS in 1830. > > REUBEN'S brother, MANSICO, was b: 1812 and would be too young to qualify > as > > a candidate. > > > > Reuben's older brother, JOHN CLOUD (b: c 1782) was there at the > > time and was old enough to qualify. BUT, JOHN's first wife, MARY SHIPES > > CLOUD was enumerated with him in the 1830 US Census in Decatur Co., GA. I > > have never seen a date of death for his wife MARY, but JOHN CLOUD m: 2nd > > SARAH DEAN on 11 Sep 1838 so we can assume that MARY SHIPES CLOUD died > > between 1830 and 1838. Incidentally, the marriage to SARAH DEAN in 1838 > > does not appear on the Decatur County marriage indices. And, JOHN'S four > > sons were too young, the oldest being born in 1809, or 15 years of age in > > 1824. > > > > Somewhere, there are other pieces to this puzzle and I hope that those of > > you on this CLOUD LIST will offer them up. For example, one of the keys > to > > the above theories is a factual age for ZILPHA CLOUD. Was she born in > 1805 > > as indicated by the 1830/1840 census records, or was she born in 1815 as > > indicated by the 1850 census record. I have census records for ZILPHA > > OLIVER for 1870 and 1880 but have not located a census for her for 1860. > > Is there another alternative theory to the two presented above? > > > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > > Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List? > > If you're new, please submit a brief description of your ancestry. > > Cloud HomePages: http://mykindred.com/cloud > > > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > Cloud Family Association sites: > http://mykindred.com/cloud ..... http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud > >

Rex -- I don't know whether it's pertinent, but a son of Judge Joel Cloud (abt 1789-1855) of Rutherford Co., NC, was named Ransom Pinckney Cloud. Born about 1806 in Rutherford, he married Katherine Hildebrand and had -- acc. to my records -- four children, but no son named "Ransom" (the only male was "Joel"). His sister, whose first name I don't have, married a chap named Tallent and named a son "Ransom Cloud Tallent." "Ransom" is an unusual name, so it's hard to believe that there's not some connection. Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Sanders" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: [CLOUD-L] ZILPHA, RANSOM, AND MARTIN H. CLOUD > > What better way to start 2003 than to reach back and pull up one of > those UNSOLVED CLOUD MYSTERIES. In the 1830 US Census for Decatur Co., GA > there appears ZILPHA CLOUD on page 14 as head of household. Her age is > reported as 20-30 and the record includes 1M<5 and 1M5-10. Most, who have > expressed an opinion, believe that those two males are RANSOM CLOUD who was > born in 1827 and MARTIN H. CLOUD who was born in 1825. > > Then, one year later, on 5 Dec 1831, ZILPHA CLOUD marries MOSES > OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA. According to the 1840 US Census for MOSES > OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA, ZILPHA is shown as 1F30-40 which is consistent > with the age of 20-30 from the 1830 census record. > > The 1850 US Census for MOSES OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA shows ZILPHA > as 35 years old [instead of the expected age of 40-50]. Included with this > census record are M. CLOUD [presumed to be MARTIN H. CLOUD], RANSOM CLOUD, > and five OLIVER children. > > The UNSOLVED MYSTERY: > > Is Zilpha the older sister of MARTIN H. and RANSOM CLOUD? If this > is the case, we need parents [a mother and a CLOUD father] who were married > on or before 1804 [assuming ZILPHA was b: c 1805]. The earliest CLOUDS > showing up in Southwest Georgia were ELIZABETH CLOUD, widow of PETER CLOUD, > and JOHN CLOUD [b: c 1782] when they appeared in Early Co., GA [later > Decatur Co] in 1820. Then, we have to wonder about the lapse of time from > ZILPHA'S birth of 1805, and MARTIN'S birth of 1825. This is 20 years. > > OR > > Is ZILPHA the mother of MARTIN H. and RANSOM CLOUD? If this is the > case, we need a CLOUD father who married ZILPHA circa 1824. This is the > year after Decatur County, GA was created from Early County, GA. There > were limited candidates that can fit and the best candidate is REUBEN CLOUD > (b: c 1803). He was 21 years old in 1824 and we don't have a record of a > marriage for him until 11 Oct 1830 to Lotty Gideons. It is possible that > he could have married ZILPHA __________ in 1824, fathered MARTIN H. CLOUD > and RANSOM CLOUD and left ZILPHA for a marriage to LOTTY GIDEONS in 1830. > REUBEN'S brother, MANSICO, was b: 1812 and would be too young to qualify as > a candidate. > > Reuben's older brother, JOHN CLOUD (b: c 1782) was there at the > time and was old enough to qualify. BUT, JOHN's first wife, MARY SHIPES > CLOUD was enumerated with him in the 1830 US Census in Decatur Co., GA. I > have never seen a date of death for his wife MARY, but JOHN CLOUD m: 2nd > SARAH DEAN on 11 Sep 1838 so we can assume that MARY SHIPES CLOUD died > between 1830 and 1838. Incidentally, the marriage to SARAH DEAN in 1838 > does not appear on the Decatur County marriage indices. And, JOHN'S four > sons were too young, the oldest being born in 1809, or 15 years of age in > 1824. > > Somewhere, there are other pieces to this puzzle and I hope that those of > you on this CLOUD LIST will offer them up. For example, one of the keys to > the above theories is a factual age for ZILPHA CLOUD. Was she born in 1805 > as indicated by the 1830/1840 census records, or was she born in 1815 as > indicated by the 1850 census record. I have census records for ZILPHA > OLIVER for 1870 and 1880 but have not located a census for her for 1860. > Is there another alternative theory to the two presented above? > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List? > If you're new, please submit a brief description of your ancestry. > Cloud HomePages: http://mykindred.com/cloud >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: cloud / shelton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YNJ.2ACIB/759 Message Board Post: Hi, Still looking from a (female) Cloud b. abt.1786 in virg. who married a Bennett Shelton b. 1784..(married date was 1808)had son name Andrew Jackson Shelton b.1816 virg....Shelton line goes back to the 1070 A.D. but I can find nothing on my Miss Cloud without first name...DOES ANYONE KNOW. ANY FEMALE CLOUD THAT MARRIED A BENNETT SHELTON..

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YNJ.2ACIB/715.3 Message Board Post: Could you please e-mail me the photo of Mordecai Cloud direct as I could not pull it up from your attachment. He is my ggg grandfather. send picture to [email protected] or [email protected] Deresa Cloud Phillips

What better way to start 2003 than to reach back and pull up one of those UNSOLVED CLOUD MYSTERIES. In the 1830 US Census for Decatur Co., GA there appears ZILPHA CLOUD on page 14 as head of household. Her age is reported as 20-30 and the record includes 1M<5 and 1M5-10. Most, who have expressed an opinion, believe that those two males are RANSOM CLOUD who was born in 1827 and MARTIN H. CLOUD who was born in 1825. Then, one year later, on 5 Dec 1831, ZILPHA CLOUD marries MOSES OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA. According to the 1840 US Census for MOSES OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA, ZILPHA is shown as 1F30-40 which is consistent with the age of 20-30 from the 1830 census record. The 1850 US Census for MOSES OLIVER in Decatur Co., GA shows ZILPHA as 35 years old [instead of the expected age of 40-50]. Included with this census record are M. CLOUD [presumed to be MARTIN H. CLOUD], RANSOM CLOUD, and five OLIVER children. The UNSOLVED MYSTERY: Is Zilpha the older sister of MARTIN H. and RANSOM CLOUD? If this is the case, we need parents [a mother and a CLOUD father] who were married on or before 1804 [assuming ZILPHA was b: c 1805]. The earliest CLOUDS showing up in Southwest Georgia were ELIZABETH CLOUD, widow of PETER CLOUD, and JOHN CLOUD [b: c 1782] when they appeared in Early Co., GA [later Decatur Co] in 1820. Then, we have to wonder about the lapse of time from ZILPHA'S birth of 1805, and MARTIN'S birth of 1825. This is 20 years. OR Is ZILPHA the mother of MARTIN H. and RANSOM CLOUD? If this is the case, we need a CLOUD father who married ZILPHA circa 1824. This is the year after Decatur County, GA was created from Early County, GA. There were limited candidates that can fit and the best candidate is REUBEN CLOUD (b: c 1803). He was 21 years old in 1824 and we don't have a record of a marriage for him until 11 Oct 1830 to Lotty Gideons. It is possible that he could have married ZILPHA __________ in 1824, fathered MARTIN H. CLOUD and RANSOM CLOUD and left ZILPHA for a marriage to LOTTY GIDEONS in 1830. REUBEN'S brother, MANSICO, was b: 1812 and would be too young to qualify as a candidate. Reuben's older brother, JOHN CLOUD (b: c 1782) was there at the time and was old enough to qualify. BUT, JOHN's first wife, MARY SHIPES CLOUD was enumerated with him in the 1830 US Census in Decatur Co., GA. I have never seen a date of death for his wife MARY, but JOHN CLOUD m: 2nd SARAH DEAN on 11 Sep 1838 so we can assume that MARY SHIPES CLOUD died between 1830 and 1838. Incidentally, the marriage to SARAH DEAN in 1838 does not appear on the Decatur County marriage indices. And, JOHN'S four sons were too young, the oldest being born in 1809, or 15 years of age in 1824. Somewhere, there are other pieces to this puzzle and I hope that those of you on this CLOUD LIST will offer them up. For example, one of the keys to the above theories is a factual age for ZILPHA CLOUD. Was she born in 1805 as indicated by the 1830/1840 census records, or was she born in 1815 as indicated by the 1850 census record. I have census records for ZILPHA OLIVER for 1870 and 1880 but have not located a census for her for 1860. Is there another alternative theory to the two presented above?