First, I'm going to admit that I'm not a "professional" genealogist - in fact, I'm not even a good "amateur" genealogist, and I'm going to defer to Harry Hogan as the "expert" in the area I'm about to address. First, James Madison Cloud was my gggrandfather. He was one of at least three sons of Isaac Cloud, Jr., b. ca 1787 (George, b. 1810; James Madison, b. 1816; and Benjamin Franklin, b. 1832. Family stories suggest another, Francis Marion Cloud, who "moved to Texas after the Civil War."). This data came from Ray Hunt (deceased) who did extensive work on Isaac's descendants, including census and land records as well as conversations with grandchildren of James Madison Cloud. Ray asserted that Isaac, Jr.'s father was Isaac Sr. Isaac Sr. was listed in the SC census in 1790; however, he lived in Rutherford Co, NC less than a mile norfth of the SC line and Ray believes the census taker was from SC and counted him in that census. The 1784 tax rolls for Surry Co., NC showed Isaac Sr. with 1 male over 21, 3 males under 21, and 2 females. The 1782 tax rolls showed Joseph Cloud 8, Isaac Cloud of VA, and William Cloud of VA. Ray believed that Isaac Sr. had these children: Isaac, b. 1787; Jesse; John; Jeremiah; and possibly, Joel. James Madison Cloud left TN in 1868, broke after the Civil War, with his wife Margaret Drummond King whom he married in 1838 in Murray Co, GA, to go to Louisiana to "be near relatives." While in Rapides Parish, LA in 1868, he caught fever, died, and "had to be taken to higher ground to be buried." His wife and the kids (oldest ca 21 years of age) headed back to TN and ended up in Scott Co, MS. (Side comment: James and his family lived in McMinn and Polk Counties, TN, and was reported to go back and forth between TN and GA.) Questions for the experts: Was the mysterious Jeremiah, b. 1784 who married Elizabeth and for whom everyone is searching a son of Isaac Sr.? If so, he would have been a brother of Isaac Jr. and an uncle of James Madison Cloud. Jeremiah's children would have been first cousins of James Madison Cloud. Further, could the family stories of a Francis Marion Cloud being a son of Isaac Jr. who went to Texas after the Civil War be confused with a Francis Marion Cloud who was in fact a son of Jeremiah and therefore a first cousin of James Madison Cloud - and perhaps the relative they were going to LA to be near? Sic 'em experts, and let us have your thoughts. Al Cloud. On Saturday, May 10, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Tom Cloud wrote: > > Charles, > > I am cc'ing your note to the Cloud Family email Forum on rootsweb. > Those of us descended from Jeremiah & Elizabeth Cloud > (b. 1784 GA > AL > d. 1861 TX) don't know "who" we're related to! > <grin> .... Henry George Washington Cloud was a son of Jeremiah > and Elizabeth's. We suspect there is a tie to the Clouds of early > Louisiana, but cannot make a connection to anyone prior to Jeremiah. > > We are always looking for clues -- may I inquire as to why you're > looking for information regarding H.G.W. Cloud (husband of Mary > Adeline "Polly" McDade) and the LA Clouds? > > I only have one child in my data from the union of Walter Scott McDade > and Polly Sears -- Walter Scott McDade Jr. ... is he your father? > In the cc above are some of your cousins, descendants of H.G.W. Cloud > and Mary Adeline "Polly" McDade. > > At 06:46 PM 5/9/2003, Cynthia Kirkland wrote: >> Dear Charles, >> >> Thank you very much for your email. I am copying your message to Tom >> Cloud, who is a major researcher for the CLOUD family. He will probably >> best be able to answer your questions. I am not really a Cloud >> researcher, as they are married into one of my lines. >> >> Good luck, and I hope Tom has some answers for you. >> >> Sincerely, Cynthia Sims Kirkland >> >> >>> I AM CHARLES NORWOOD. I SAW YOUR NAME ON THE MCDADE FAMILY WEBSITE. I >>> ASSUME >>> YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE MCDADE FAMILY >>> RESEARCH. AS FOR MYSELF, I AM THE G G G GRANDSON OF CHARLES MCDADE >>> SR. >>> CHARLES MCDADE JR WAS MY G G GRANDFATHER AND >>> MARTIN WILLIAMSON MCDADE WAS MY G GRANDFATHER. >>> MY GRANDFATHER WAS WALTER SCOTT MCDADE. >>> I AM A 46 YEAR OLD GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE LIVING IN LOUISIANA. >>> THIS FAMILY RESEARCH THING HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING. >>> >>> I AM ALSO ATTEMPTING TO INQUIRE AND ASK IF THAT HENRY WASHINGTON CLOUD >>> WHO >>> MARRIED POLLY MCDADE, IS RELATED TO ANY! OF THE CLOUD FAMILY WHO LIVES >>> IN >>> SOUTHWEST RAPIDES PARISH (COUNTY) LOUISIANA. >>> THERE ARE A BUNCH OF CLOUDS WHO LIVE THERE. ANY INFO APPRECIATED. >>> >>> THANKS AGAIN >>> CHARLES NORWOOD JR >>> 369 RED STORE HILL RD >>> BOYCE, LA 71409 > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .............................................................. > Join the Cloud Family Association: http://mykindred.com/cloud/ >

Charles, I am cc'ing your note to the Cloud Family email Forum on rootsweb. Those of us descended from Jeremiah & Elizabeth Cloud (b. 1784 GA > AL > d. 1861 TX) don't know "who" we're related to! <grin> .... Henry George Washington Cloud was a son of Jeremiah and Elizabeth's. We suspect there is a tie to the Clouds of early Louisiana, but cannot make a connection to anyone prior to Jeremiah. We are always looking for clues -- may I inquire as to why you're looking for information regarding H.G.W. Cloud (husband of Mary Adeline "Polly" McDade) and the LA Clouds? I only have one child in my data from the union of Walter Scott McDade and Polly Sears -- Walter Scott McDade Jr. ... is he your father? In the cc above are some of your cousins, descendants of H.G.W. Cloud and Mary Adeline "Polly" McDade. At 06:46 PM 5/9/2003, Cynthia Kirkland wrote: >Dear Charles, > >Thank you very much for your email. I am copying your message to Tom Cloud, who is a major researcher for the CLOUD family. He will probably best be able to answer your questions. I am not really a Cloud researcher, as they are married into one of my lines. > >Good luck, and I hope Tom has some answers for you. > >Sincerely, Cynthia Sims Kirkland > > >>I AM CHARLES NORWOOD. I SAW YOUR NAME ON THE MCDADE FAMILY WEBSITE. I ASSUME >>YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE MCDADE FAMILY >>RESEARCH. AS FOR MYSELF, I AM THE G G G GRANDSON OF CHARLES MCDADE SR. >>CHARLES MCDADE JR WAS MY G G GRANDFATHER AND >>MARTIN WILLIAMSON MCDADE WAS MY G GRANDFATHER. >>MY GRANDFATHER WAS WALTER SCOTT MCDADE. >>I AM A 46 YEAR OLD GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE LIVING IN LOUISIANA. >>THIS FAMILY RESEARCH THING HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING. >> >>I AM ALSO ATTEMPTING TO INQUIRE AND ASK IF THAT HENRY WASHINGTON CLOUD WHO >>MARRIED POLLY MCDADE, IS RELATED TO ANY! OF THE CLOUD FAMILY WHO LIVES IN >>SOUTHWEST RAPIDES PARISH (COUNTY) LOUISIANA. >>THERE ARE A BUNCH OF CLOUDS WHO LIVE THERE. ANY INFO APPRECIATED. >> >>THANKS AGAIN >>CHARLES NORWOOD JR >>369 RED STORE HILL RD >>BOYCE, LA 71409

I suspect you already have this information form the 1880 census, but just in case: Brandywine, New Castle, Delaware p. 11 <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_8988224_0&frompage=5">Davis CLOUD</A> Self M Male W 36 PA Farmer PA PA <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_8988224_1&frompage=5">Hannah E. CLOUD</A> Wife M Female W 28 DE Keeping House DE DE <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_8988224_2&frompage=5">John CLOUD</A> Nephew S Male W 24 DE Laborer PA PA Brandywine, New Castle, Delaware p. 29 <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_8988481_0&frompage=5">Nathaniel CLOUD</A> Self M Male W 50 PA none listed PA PA <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_8988481_1&frompage=5">Elizabeth CLOUD</A> Wife M Female W 48 PA Keeping House PA PA Good Luck, Lura

Cloud Marriages at Holy Trinity Or Old Swedes Church, Wilmington, New Castle, DE Source: LDS Family History Center Old Swedes Church Marriage Records Batch No: M505861 Dates: 1713 - 1799 Source Call No.: 0908217 IT 1 Type: Film Printout Call No: 0883757 Type: Film Edward Cloud Francis Bird June 19, 1728 Anna Cloud Edward Haley June 1, 1727 Susanna Cloud George White July 1747 Annah Cloud George Martin Oct. 9, 1761 Elizabeth Cloud Enoch Dixon Jan 7 1756 Priscilla Cloud Aaron Grubb Jan 9 1775 Else Cloud Henry Thomson Nov. 1752 Mary Cloud Adam Henry Prince Nov. 3, 1757 Hannah Cloud John Harper Nov. 13, 1752 Grace Cloud John Coope Jun. 2, 1751 Charity Cloud Valentine Robeson July 30, 1789 Daniel Cloud Sarah Walley Feb. 23, 1762 Abner Cloud Elizabeth Rummond June 9, 1772 William Cloud Ann Davis Nov. 1796 Orphey Cloud William Smith Jul. 22, 1779 Rebecca Cloud Thomas White May 7, 1726 Jeremiah Cloud ___ Harlin May 9, 1750 Elizabeth Cloud David Pugh Aug. 22, 1753 Sara Cloud Robert Chalfon Nov. 1747 Joseph Cloud Sarah Poile Jan. 24, 1751 Joseph Cloud Charity Tally May 9, 1760 Joseph Cloud Margrete Brady Oct. 10, 1760 Joseph Cloud Elizabeth Folk Feb. 12, 1777 Susanna Cloud Joseph Bond Jan. 22, 1736 Margrete Cloud Joseph Park Mar. 19, 1762 Margret Cloud Joseph Carter Mar. 24, 1776 Mardochay Cloud Roda Richards April 5, 1753 Margreta Cloud Samuel Tally Apr. 1758 Nathaniel Cloud Mary Steen Mar. 3, 1769 Leady Cloud Richard Derrick Nov. 21, 1773 Nathan Cloud Ann Smith Oct. 1748

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YNJ.2ACIB/780 Message Board Post: I am still trying to find information on John H. (probably Huddleston) Cloud, born about 1854 most likely in New Castle Co. DE. He married Anna Elizabeth Chandler about 1884, daughter of Amor Harlan Chandler and Rebecca Matilda Perkins. John's father was possibly Nathan or Nathaniel. John and Anna had the following children: A. Harlan Cloud b. 25 Nov 1885 J. Davis Cloud b. 18 Nov 1886 E. Nathaniel Cloud b. 6 Aug 1888 William H. Cloud b.13 Sept 1889 Hannah E. Cloud b. 11 Dec 1890 Mae Cloud b. Unknown. James Leonard Frederick Lewis Cloud b. 2 Dec 1894 (my grandfather-married Alice Marie Magnier in PA) Any help would be greatly appreciated.

As usual, I'm a day late and a dollar short. If I had waited one more day for the delivery of my CFJ, Vol. XXIV, Nos. 3 & 4, I would not have needed to post my query regarding Early County, GA. Maybe I can claim that "great minds move in the same channel." I applaud the scholarship Mr. Sanders has applied to his research. If Mr. Sanders or someone else will be so kind as to send me a snail mail or email address, I have one question and one comment to direct to Mr. Sanders. Ray Shirley RAYMOND SHIRLEY SR. [email protected] Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

There was a resounding silence following my earlier query. I will give it another try. Have any of you done research on the Elizabeth Cloud who lived in Early County, GA in 1820? Or the John Cloud living in Early County, GA in 1840 and apparently newly married? How came a Cloud family to be living among the Creek Indians in southwest GA as early as 1820? Ray Shirley RAYMOND SHIRLEY SR. [email protected] Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

Have any of you Cloud cousins in Georgia run across a record of the marriage of John Franklin Cloud to a Georgia gal named Eliza _____? The marriage would have occurred in about 1840. RAYMOND SHIRLEY SR. [email protected] Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

Betsy I remember seeing a page on the LDS site that addresses your question. It tells how to prepare for a visit and research--I haven't been in that part of the site lately, but you should be able to find it through the front page--perhaps checking subjects like 'library' or 'visit' or whatever. Sorry not to be more specific, but you should be able to find it. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betsy Arrington-Tsao" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [CLOUD-L] Clouds From Georgia > Can anyone give me some general advice as to looking up genealogy > through the Church of Jesus-Christ of Latter-Day Saints? I'm going > to Salt Lake City, Utah in about two weeks and would like to go to > the library there. Of course, I don't know where that library is > located or if I need permission. Really, an abbreviated "Genealogy > for Idiots" would be great! *smile* Any advice would be greatly > appreciated and may be posted to me personally or by list. Thanks to > all! > -- > Betsy A. Arrington-Tsao, Coordinator of International Activities > Office of International Activities, Dean's Office, College of Education > University of Georgia, G-2 Aderhold Hall, Athens, GA 30602-7101 > Office: 706.542.1154 - Fax: 706.542.8974 - Email: [email protected] > Web: http://www.coe.uga.edu/edpartner > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .............................................................. > Join the Cloud Family Association: http://mykindred.com/cloud > >

I just looked in Virginia.

Can anyone give me some general advice as to looking up genealogy through the Church of Jesus-Christ of Latter-Day Saints? I'm going to Salt Lake City, Utah in about two weeks and would like to go to the library there. Of course, I don't know where that library is located or if I need permission. Really, an abbreviated "Genealogy for Idiots" would be great! *smile* Any advice would be greatly appreciated and may be posted to me personally or by list. Thanks to all! -- Betsy A. Arrington-Tsao, Coordinator of International Activities Office of International Activities, Dean's Office, College of Education University of Georgia, G-2 Aderhold Hall, Athens, GA 30602-7101 Office: 706.542.1154 - Fax: 706.542.8974 - Email: [email protected] Web: http://www.coe.uga.edu/edpartner

I have a CD titled Census Index: Colonial America. I looked around for Shelton's and Cloud's. Ironically, although there were 27 Shelton families and 10 Cloud families, there was only 1 county that had both a Shelton and a Cloud. Charles Shelton was polled in 1779 and Charles Cloud was polled in 1773, both in Fauquier County. Sorry, wouldn't have a clue as to any possible names of children. Good Luck. Lura

This may, or may not, be the family you are looking for: 1880 census: Sugar Hill, Gwinnett, Georgia p. 396 <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_12613873_0&frompage=5">James CLOUD</A> Self M Male W 33 GA Merchant NC NC <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_12613873_1&frompage=5">Mary E. CLOUD</A> Wife M Female W 27 GA Keeping House SC SC <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_12613873_2&frompage=5">Robert CLOUD</A> Son S Male W 9 GA GA GA <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_12613873_3&frompage=5">Burton CLOUD</A> Son S Male W 6 GA GA GA <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_12613873_4&frompage=5">James CLOUD</A> Son S Male W 4 GA GA GA <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_12613873_5&frompage=5">Annie CLOUD</A> Dau S Female W 1 GA GA GA <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_12613873_6&frompage=5">Missoura SHELNUT</A> Other S Female W 21 GA Without Occupation GA GA <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_12613873_7&frompage=5">Jimson CANTREL</A> Other S Male W 19 GA Servant - Laborer GA GA Good Luck Lura

This may, or may not, help you, but the 1880 census shows the following: Goshen, Hardin, Ohio page 75 <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_5705318_0&frompage=5">Thomas B. MILLER</A> Self M Male W 62 OH Farmer SCO IRE <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_5705318_1&frompage=5">Margaret MILLER</A> Wife M Female W 55 OH Keeping House ENG DE <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_5705318_2&frompage=5">Ruth CLOUD</A> GDau S Female W 8 OH OH OH <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_5705318_3&frompage=5">Malizza BORN</A> Other S Female W 26 OH Servant GER GER It looks as if this is Mary's parents and her daughter Ruth. This might imply that Ruth had died, or whatever, prior to this date??? I could find no evidence of Jessie. Queried all Cloud's born in OHIO in 1870, 1871, and 1872. Good Luck. Lura

Hey thats a start..let me see if Bennett parents William Shelton and Ann (Lomax) Shelton might of had a son...named Charles Shelton...maybe brother to Bennett...I do appriciate your help...its funny that both of their names is Charles..easy for me to remember, while searching..lol..thanks again, Amanda P.S. did it say where Fauquier County was..what State? --- [email protected] wrote: > I have a CD titled Census Index: Colonial America. > I looked around for > Shelton's and Cloud's. Ironically, although there > were 27 Shelton families > and 10 Cloud families, there was only 1 county that > had both a Shelton and a > Cloud. Charles Shelton was polled in 1779 and > Charles Cloud was polled in > 1773, both in Fauquier County. Sorry, wouldn't have > a clue as to any > possible names of children. > > Good Luck. > > Lura > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > > .............................................................. > Join the Cloud Family Association: > http://mykindred.com/cloud/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

Not much at hand for me to use to research, but, suspect you already have this, but just incase, 1880 census has a William, as follows: District 156, Mccameron, Martin, Indiana p. 379 <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_6295325_0&frompage=5">William CLOUD</A> Self M Male W 50 IN Carpenter IN IN <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_6295325_1&frompage=5">Rebecca A. CLOUD</A> Wife M Female W 31 IN Keeps House IN IN <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/individual_record.asp?INDI_CODE=1880US_6295325_2&frompage=5">Julia A. CLOUD</A> Dau S Female W 1 IN IN IN Also, I have some CD's of the census index...they are not all inclusive, I suspect, but are the head of households I found in Orange County: 1830 David Cloud, p. 43 James Cloud, p. 23 Joel Cloud, p. 43 John Cloud, p. 43 1840 Elizabeth Cloud, Paoli Twp, p. 5 Hiram Cloud, Northwest Twp, p. 51 James Cloud, Paoli Twp, p. 2 John Cloud, Paoli Twp, p. 5 Rebecca Cloud, Paoli Twp, p. 5 1850 Daniel Cloud, Paoli Twp, p. 449 David Cloud, Paoli Twp, p. 461 Hyram Cloud, NW Twp, p. 109 James Cloud, NW Twp, p. 487 Jonathon Cloud, NW Twp, p. 487 Mary Cloud, Paoli Twp, p. 450 William Cloud, Paoli Twp, p. 461 1860 Daniel Cloud, Paoli Twp, p. 715 George Cloud, Paoli Twp, p. 744 Martha Cloud, Paoli Twp, p. 737 William T. Cloud, Orangeville Twp, p. 776 Hope this might provide something for you. Lura

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cole, Hart, Dunman, Shelton, Cloud, Shaw, Lemons,Chalk, Askew, Ethridge,Wood Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YNJ.2ACIB/779 Message Board Post: Question for those who are new...I am looking for ggggrandmother a "Female" Cloud b. abt.1786 Virg. who married in 1808 to a Bennett Shelton..their son Andrew Jackson Shelton was born 1816 Virg and died in 1899 Tenn. Sure would like to know more about her and her family, at least a first name..Thanks for any and all help, Amanda Cole

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cloud, Smoot, McIntosh Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YNJ.2ACIB/778 Message Board Post: Searching for any information on the Clouds from North Georgia, around Fairburn, Campbell, GA. All I have at this time is that my ggrandfather was Robert James Cloud b. abt 1876 and d. 1951. Married Mary Ruth Smoot who was b. 1892 and d. 1968. Married in the parsonage of First Baptist Church (where?) on November 18, 1915. I am told that Robert has a still living brother also named Robert James Cloud from VA? Mary had a sister named Rae Smoot. Robert James Cloud and Mary Ruth Smoot had a daughter my grandmother- Katharine Antoinette Cloud b. 1917 and d. ? Katharine married Nelson Curtis McIntosh in 1935. Unsure of any other family. Please contact me if you have any information on this family @ [email protected] Thanks....

William H. Cloud was my Great Grandfather He was born in Hardin County, Ohio about 1848. His parents were David and Mary Jane (Scott) Cloud. I am looking for information on William's first wife Ruth Miller, she was also born in Hardin Co. and they were married there in 1870 had a daughter Jessie Cloud in 1871, I have these records from Salt Lake. There seems to have been a second daughter Ruth Cloud born about 1872 as she is 8 years old and living with her grandfather Robert Miller in Hardin Co., in the 1880 Census. As yet I have not found Jessie or Ruth Miller Cloud, in the 1880 Census. Jessie does show up in 1882 Court records about her guardian it says her mother is dead. What I am trying to find out is when Ruth Miller Cloud died and whether or not she and William H Cloud were divorced and if so when. The reason I am trying to find out this information is because William H. Cloud married my Great Grandmother Mary Luella "Lulu" Goldsby in Chillicothe, Livingston Co., MO, Nov 1874 and then they ran away to Virginia City, NV, where my Grandfather was born in 1876. By 1878 they were in Santa Cruz, CA. but by the 1880 census he was no longer with Lulu in Santa Cruz. She is living there with her Parents and children. William is found in San Francisco and is a Lawyer. In 1886 he died in San Francisco and the obits I found there mentioned no surviving family so I checked the Santa Cruz newspapers and found his obit in the social column, which did mention that he was the son-in-law of Z.N. Goldsby but mentioned no one else. In 1907 Lulu Married Williams older brother James S. Cloud, he was 77 and she was 50. He was also a Civil War invalid this marriage didn't make any sence to me until I read a short passage in my 2nd Great grandfathers Biography. It says that James Cloud was her husband and the father of Scott and Archibald Cloud, no mention of William at all. This leads me to one conclusion which may or may not be true. From the info that I have gathered so far I tend to think that there was no divorce and that Ruth died about 1879 or 80 which would make his marriage to Lulu invalid and the reason she married James was to give her children a legal Cloud father. What I would really like to do is to change this from an assumption to fact one way or the other. I would also like to find out what happened to his two girls from his marriage to Ruth Miller and when she died. I think I am getting long winded so I will quit for now. Hope someone can be of help. Trish Harris [email protected]

im sure they will show up some where they are my gg-grandparents and my g-parents . may help some one else tho thanks