Ken, You and I both try to provide a "niche service". Neither of us are researching other people's families, but we provide them a place to display their data .... and not all of them do it in the same way, some more careful than others. I am careful what I accept and from whom, but I can only vouch for my own line. But being able to see it all in one place, even with the warts it may have is, in my humble estimation, of great value (at least to myself and to many others I know of). I have thought that "someday" I would actually write a genealogy of my line and put it on the net. That way I could say that somewhere there actually _IS_ a genealogy online. But until that day, people need to know -- the data on the web, almost all of it, is not a "genealogy" but rather just a compilation of data -- just a big stack of electronic papers. Surely no one is going to do a genealogy with data taken from a web site! For those of us with brick walls -- we need to see all the data, because we don't know where we fit in. It helps us get ideas for where to start the real research. thanks, Tom Cloud At 08:19 PM 12/17/2005, you wrote: >Tom > > Interestingly enough, I read your words here and find that you sound a bit like I do, trying to find a place for everything and in many cases not having a clue other than what someone has provide. It appears that we are both working towards and uncommon end, and that is a shame. I dont really suppose that the CFA will ever make public the database they work from and because of that I have gone out on my own and kept the Cloudweb site going. Again I started looking for my own line, but ran into and was provided so much colateral info that I didn't want to just throw away, so as it became available, I examined it and if it seemed plausible added it to my data. I am sure there are many errors in my data, but if the error is there and someone can correct it, I feel the effort has been worth while. I really doubt that I will continue this for much longer, age and all that; so my real wonder is what will happen to it after I am gone. There so much valuable info there and ! I would hate for it just to go dormant and be lost and not available for researchers that follow. I guess time will tell what will become of it. My kids are not really interested, so I guess will give it all the CFA and let it just lay there. Enough of this. Just venting a little I guess.

Tom Interestingly enough, I read your words here and find that you sound a bit like I do, trying to find a place for everything and in many cases not having a clue other than what someone has provide. It appears that we are both working towards and uncommon end, and that is a shame. I dont really suppose that the CFA will ever make public the database they work from and because of that I have gone out on my own and kept the Cloudweb site going. Again I started looking for my own line, but ran into and was provided so much colateral info that I didn't want to just throw away, so as it became available, I examined it and if it seemed plausible added it to my data. I am sure there are many errors in my data, but if the error is there and someone can correct it, I feel the effort has been worth while. I really doubt that I will continue this for much longer, age and all that; so my real wonder is what will happen to it after I am gone. There so much valuable info there and I would hate for it just to go dormant and be lost and not available for researchers that follow. I guess time will tell what will become of it. My kids are not really interested, so I guess will give it all the CFA and let it just lay there. Enough of this. Just venting a little I guess. Ken Cloud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Cloud" <cloud@peaches.ph.utexas.edu> To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 17 December, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Early Families of Decatur county Georgia > At 03:46 PM 12/17/2005, Ralph B. "Rex" Sanders > wrote: >>Tom Cloud wrote: >> >>>I have some questions about the article by Mrs. Frank Battles >>>apparently written for the DAR. Can someone help me with this? >>> >>>http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/histories/DecaturFamilies.htm >>> >>>The questions are in italics and in orange colored type. >>> >>>First question -- Mrs. Battles attributes Elisha Cloud who >>>married Ruth Collins to be the son of Jeremiah Cloud and >>>grandson of Jeremiah Cloud Sr, and the great grandson of >>>William Cloud and Elizabeth Ann Hayes. >>>... the problem -- I've been told this man is in the line >>>of Olive Nabors and Sharon McChrystal and CFA president >>>Jimmy Jones. >>> >>>Second question -- at the bottom, she lists children of John >>>Cloud, son of Noah and Sarah, but it looks like she has mixed >>>up the generations of cousins, all the descendants of the >>>aforementioned Jeremiah, son of William and Elizabeth Hayes. >>> >>> >>>There are other new documents at the web site as well .. >>> >>>click on the links "What's New" and "Documents" to see them >>>at http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/ >>> >>> >>>thanks, >>>Tom Cloud >> >> >> >>Tom: I hope that I can help with the article "Early Families of Decatur >>County" which was published in the "Post Searchlight" on May 19, 1976. In >>all of my years of genealogical research, I have never been exposed to >>such erroneous information. The article is not worthy of wrapping fish and >>I hope that one day the article can be exposed for what it is so that >>future generations will not be misled as I have been. >> >>Eighteen years ago I sent a copy of the article to CFA in the fond hope >>that I could be certified as a true descendant of a Revolutionary War >>Soldier, Noah Cloud. All of the assertions in the article proved this to >>be so. But, thanks to our CFA Historian, Janice Cloud, I was appraised of >>the many discrepancies in the article and I have since proved to myself >>that she was correct in her analysis of the assertions. Janice was kind >>enough to send me a copy of her 1986 letter to the Corrections >>Genealogist, NSDAR that addressed the many errors in the article. Janice >>has given me permission to scan and post a copy of this 2- page letter >>should there be an interest >> >>Your web site for [mykindred.com] is FABULOUS, and I look forward to >>learning more of the details which you have presented. This brings up a >>question. Where can I see the sources for the information you present on >>me [Ralph Byron "Rex" Sanders and my wife, Ruth Rosemarie Sager.]? If I >>read the data correctly, you show me-and my wife as DECEASED. As of this >>writing, we are both very much alive and I would like to correct the >>information at your source. And, finally, your documentation references to >>"Early Families of Decatur County" should be deleted. I was surprised that >>you did not include a documentation reference to my research that was >>published in the Cloud Family Journal, Volume XXIV, Nos. 3 & 4, pages 61 >>thru 71. This research was devoted to Decatur County, Georgia and >>Edgefield County, South Carolina. This research corrects most, but not >>all, of the mistakes published in "Early Families of Decatur County. >> >>Ralph B. "Rex" Sanders > > > Rex, > > Thank you for the input. I will check that out. > > To answer some of your questions -- the web family history is > very time consuming. Many people submit things -- today I > received letters and photos of my uncle Billy who died in WW-II > before I was born. I've just received several thousand names > for one of my maternal (STURROCK) lines, and I receive notes > every day to add or correct things in the data. > > If people don't include sources, then I don't have them, and I > admit that sometimes I fail to note where things came from. I > am not a genealogist and most of this data is not the result of > my own research, so I'm limited by what others give to me. If > people submit data in gedcom format, then the sources (should) > come through if they have entered them, but if I have to type > everything in, it's possible some things don't get entered correctly. > > Per your question -- "why am I listed as deceased" ? If there > are no dates, the software can't make a determination. When I am > informed of errors, I correct them. I am very careful to not list > the data of living people. > > WRT your question about your submission to the Cloud Family > Journal. Back to my first answer -- frankly, I scan the journal > when I receive it, but my time is almost completely taken up > by what people send to me. Any reading / research I do of my own > is into my own family. Right now I am again attempting to find > out where my g-g-grandmother Cynthia Ann Sorrelle Wiess came from, > and whether Walter Wingate Wiess was actually her son of not. > This is one of my other family branch's ongoing research dilemmas, > and the descendants of Walter would like to know .... I keep > telling them they need a DNA Project! Another ongoing project > is that of Mourad Bumstead, my g-g-grandfather, and a veteran > of the Siege of Bexar in December 1835. The Siege of Bexar > Descendants Association needs some help and, silly me, I've > offered to assist where I can. > > Bottom Line -- if you don't mind, help me get these things > straight. > > Based on what you've told me, I think there ought to be a > place online where the errors of this document are shown, > don't you? The paper has been published and people will > continue to be confused by it, so I would like to have a > place that sets the record straight, as much as is possible. > If you will send me the letter from Jan, I think that ought > to be posted with this article. > > sincerely, > Tom Cloud > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > ................................................................ > Cloud Family DNA Project > http://mykindred.com/cloud/dna/ > >

At 03:46 PM 12/17/2005, Ralph B. "Rex" Sanders wrote: >Tom Cloud wrote: > >>I have some questions about the article by Mrs. Frank Battles >>apparently written for the DAR. Can someone help me with this? >> >>http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/histories/DecaturFamilies.htm >> >>The questions are in italics and in orange colored type. >> >>First question -- Mrs. Battles attributes Elisha Cloud who >>married Ruth Collins to be the son of Jeremiah Cloud and >>grandson of Jeremiah Cloud Sr, and the great grandson of >>William Cloud and Elizabeth Ann Hayes. >>... the problem -- I've been told this man is in the line >>of Olive Nabors and Sharon McChrystal and CFA president >>Jimmy Jones. >> >>Second question -- at the bottom, she lists children of John >>Cloud, son of Noah and Sarah, but it looks like she has mixed >>up the generations of cousins, all the descendants of the >>aforementioned Jeremiah, son of William and Elizabeth Hayes. >> >> >>There are other new documents at the web site as well .. >> >>click on the links "What's New" and "Documents" to see them >>at http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/ >> >> >>thanks, >>Tom Cloud > > > >Tom: I hope that I can help with the article �Early Families of Decatur County� which was published in the �Post Searchlight� on May 19, 1976. In all of my years of genealogical research, I have never been exposed to such erroneous information. The article is not worthy of wrapping fish and I hope that one day the article can be exposed for what it is so that future generations will not be misled as I have been. > >Eighteen years ago I sent a copy of the article to CFA in the fond hope that I could be certified as a true descendant of a Revolutionary War Soldier, Noah Cloud. All of the assertions in the article proved this to be so. But, thanks to our CFA Historian, Janice Cloud, I was appraised of the many discrepancies in the article and I have since proved to myself that she was correct in her analysis of the assertions. Janice was kind enough to send me a copy of her 1986 letter to the Corrections Genealogist, NSDAR that addressed the many errors in the article. Janice has given me permission to scan and post a copy of this 2- page letter should there be an interest > >Your web site for [mykindred.com] is FABULOUS, and I look forward to learning more of the details which you have presented. This brings up a question. Where can I see the sources for the information you present on me [Ralph Byron �Rex� Sanders and my wife, Ruth Rosemarie Sager.]? If I read the data correctly, you show me-and my wife as DECEASED. As of this writing, we are both very much alive and I would like to correct the information at your source. And, finally, your documentation references to �Early Families of Decatur County� should be deleted. I was surprised that you did not include a documentation reference to my research that was published in the Cloud Family Journal, Volume XXIV, Nos. 3 & 4, pages 61 thru 71. This research was devoted to Decatur County, Georgia and Edgefield County, South Carolina. This research corrects most, but not all, of the mistakes published in �Early Families of Decatur County. > >Ralph B. "Rex" Sanders Rex, Thank you for the input. I will check that out. To answer some of your questions -- the web family history is very time consuming. Many people submit things -- today I received letters and photos of my uncle Billy who died in WW-II before I was born. I've just received several thousand names for one of my maternal (STURROCK) lines, and I receive notes every day to add or correct things in the data. If people don't include sources, then I don't have them, and I admit that sometimes I fail to note where things came from. I am not a genealogist and most of this data is not the result of my own research, so I'm limited by what others give to me. If people submit data in gedcom format, then the sources (should) come through if they have entered them, but if I have to type everything in, it's possible some things don't get entered correctly. Per your question -- "why am I listed as deceased" ? If there are no dates, the software can't make a determination. When I am informed of errors, I correct them. I am very careful to not list the data of living people. WRT your question about your submission to the Cloud Family Journal. Back to my first answer -- frankly, I scan the journal when I receive it, but my time is almost completely taken up by what people send to me. Any reading / research I do of my own is into my own family. Right now I am again attempting to find out where my g-g-grandmother Cynthia Ann Sorrelle Wiess came from, and whether Walter Wingate Wiess was actually her son of not. This is one of my other family branch's ongoing research dilemmas, and the descendants of Walter would like to know .... I keep telling them they need a DNA Project! Another ongoing project is that of Mourad Bumstead, my g-g-grandfather, and a veteran of the Siege of Bexar in December 1835. The Siege of Bexar Descendants Association needs some help and, silly me, I've offered to assist where I can. Bottom Line -- if you don't mind, help me get these things straight. Based on what you've told me, I think there ought to be a place online where the errors of this document are shown, don't you? The paper has been published and people will continue to be confused by it, so I would like to have a place that sets the record straight, as much as is possible. If you will send me the letter from Jan, I think that ought to be posted with this article. sincerely, Tom Cloud

Tom Cloud wrote: >I have some questions about the article by Mrs. Frank Battles >apparently written for the DAR. Can someone help me with this? > >http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/histories/DecaturFamilies.htm > >The questions are in italics and in orange colored type. > >First question -- Mrs. Battles attributes Elisha Cloud who >married Ruth Collins to be the son of Jeremiah Cloud and >grandson of Jeremiah Cloud Sr, and the great grandson of >William Cloud and Elizabeth Ann Hayes. > ... the problem -- I've been told this man is in the line >of Olive Nabors and Sharon McChrystal and CFA president >Jimmy Jones. > >Second question -- at the bottom, she lists children of John >Cloud, son of Noah and Sarah, but it looks like she has mixed >up the generations of cousins, all the descendants of the >aforementioned Jeremiah, son of William and Elizabeth Hayes. > > >There are other new documents at the web site as well .. > >click on the links "What's New" and "Documents" to see them >at http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/ > > >thanks, >Tom Cloud > > > >==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > ................................................................ > Cloud Family DNA Project > http://mykindred.com/cloud/dna/ > > Tom: I hope that I can help with the article “Early Families of Decatur County” which was published in the “Post Searchlight” on May 19, 1976. In all of my years of genealogical research, I have never been exposed to such erroneous information. The article is not worthy of wrapping fish and I hope that one day the article can be exposed for what it is so that future generations will not be misled as I have been. Eighteen years ago I sent a copy of the article to CFA in the fond hope that I could be certified as a true descendant of a Revolutionary War Soldier, Noah Cloud. All of the assertions in the article proved this to be so. But, thanks to our CFA Historian, Janice Cloud, I was appraised of the many discrepancies in the article and I have since proved to myself that she was correct in her analysis of the assertions. Janice was kind enough to send me a copy of her 1986 letter to the Corrections Genealogist, NSDAR that addressed the many errors in the article. Janice has given me permission to scan and post a copy of this 2- page letter should there be an interest Your web site for [mykindred.com] is FABULOUS, and I look forward to learning more of the details which you have presented. This brings up a question. Where can I see the sources for the information you present on me [Ralph Byron “Rex” Sanders and my wife, Ruth Rosemarie Sager.]? If I read the data correctly, you show me-and my wife as DECEASED. As of this writing, we are both very much alive and I would like to correct the information at your source. And, finally, your documentation references to “Early Families of Decatur County” should be deleted. I was surprised that you did not include a documentation reference to my research that was published in the Cloud Family Journal, Volume XXIV, Nos. 3 & 4, pages 61 thru 71. This research was devoted to Decatur County, Georgia and Edgefield County, South Carolina. This research corrects most, but not all, of the mistakes published in “Early Families of Decatur County. Ralph B. "Rex" Sanders > > > >

I agree, Joretta in Ohio

Amen Tom, It seems people are worried that Saying, or "Promoting" Christ, will offend someone! It seems that NOONE wants to think that the ALL Out attacks on Christianity is not OFFENDING The Christians or Others in America? I guess it's OK to Offend the people that have Christian Beliefs? Boy....Talking about being Radical!! Today Secularism is the hot Religion. They say that Christians try to push their Beliefs on other people! What do you think these people, the people that are fighting to seperate everyone from religion are doing??? By not wanting the 10 commandments posted or anything with Religion in School or songs, THEY ARE PUSHING THEIR BELIEFS DOWN EVERYONE ELSES THROAT!!! Are they not doing exactly what they're trying to stop us from doing? Pushing thier beliefs down others's throat? By pushing the belief that Christianity should not be taught, or Prayer shouldn't be allowed in certain places....etc...etc... Where's the FREEDOM in that? GOD Bless America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sincerely; Rev. Rick F. Cloud

I think I've finally got a way for us to upload and share our documents, histories (and pictures). This is different from the myfamily site it two ways -- (1) no password or membership is required to view anything and, more importantly, (2) each item is linked to the person or persons it references in the database. From the entry page - http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/ the "Documents" link displays what is there at this point. A nice feature is that the documents link to whoever is referenced by the document -- and the document is referenced from each of those individual's pages, making research much easier. (All new items are also on the "What's New" link.) I'm not too fond of the format -- all of the individuals being listed in one column can make for a very large entry (e.g. for Kernion's genealogy), but I can't think of a better way to do it. Pictures/images are the same way -- any photo or other image (not just pictures, but also pdf files and any image file) can be referenced to any number of people and then that image will have a link placed on those individual's page as well. As most of you know, this is not "my" site, but it is the combined efforts of many of us. If you will submit documents, pictures and anything else you think useful, I will attempt to get it on the web for all the cousins. .... I can also use some help on some of this as it can be overwhelming trying to do it all alone. sincerely, Tom Cloud

I have some questions about the article by Mrs. Frank Battles apparently written for the DAR. Can someone help me with this? http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/histories/DecaturFamilies.htm The questions are in italics and in orange colored type. First question -- Mrs. Battles attributes Elisha Cloud who married Ruth Collins to be the son of Jeremiah Cloud and grandson of Jeremiah Cloud Sr, and the great grandson of William Cloud and Elizabeth Ann Hayes. ... the problem -- I've been told this man is in the line of Olive Nabors and Sharon McChrystal and CFA president Jimmy Jones. Second question -- at the bottom, she lists children of John Cloud, son of Noah and Sarah, but it looks like she has mixed up the generations of cousins, all the descendants of the aforementioned Jeremiah, son of William and Elizabeth Hayes. There are other new documents at the web site as well .. click on the links "What's New" and "Documents" to see them at http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/ thanks, Tom Cloud

Tom, thank you for your Christmas greeting. It always warms my heart to know that others acknowledge and love the Savior. Olive Nabors

dear cousins, I apologize for this last email -- it was meant for Olive only. It is not my intention to sidetrack this list into a discussion on social mores or religion. Extending a wish for good will and good health should always be welcomed and that is what I intended with my Christmas wish for you. sincerely, Tom Cloud At 09:39 AM 12/15/2005, you wrote: >Olive, > >As I watch what is going on, my heart grows weary and heavy >for my children and their children. America, and the world, >have gone so far off-course, I fear they will not be able >to have the same freedoms we enjoyed. Everywhere I turn >I see Christianity denigrated. This is a good sign in >one way -- it means we are onto something that the evil >in the world can't stomach. It seems almost every TV >show has some dig or outright condemnation of anything >Christian ... Christians are portrayed as the ones with >the twisted minds and the "homophobes", the ones that >mistreat their children and drive them away. > >sincerely, >Tom Cloud

Olive, As I watch what is going on, my heart grows weary and heavy for my children and their children. America, and the world, have gone so far off-course, I fear they will not be able to have the same freedoms we enjoyed. Everywhere I turn I see Christianity denigrated. This is a good sign in one way -- it means we are onto something that the evil in the world can't stomach. It seems almost every TV show has some dig or outright condemnation of anything Christian ... Christians are portrayed as the ones with the twisted minds and the "homophobes", the ones that mistreat their children and drive them away. sincerely, Tom Cloud At 09:24 AM 12/15/2005, you wrote: >Tom, thank you for your Christmas greeting. It always warms my heart to >know that others acknowledge and love the Savior. Olive Nabors > > >==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .................................................................. > Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List? > Submit a brief description of your ancestry.

I hope you and yours have a Blessed Christmas Season and a joyful and prosperous new year. Let us not forget the Gift which made this season so important to our ancestors and to us, the infant given to the world to be its Hope and its Light. May God guide your path and bless your labors. Sincerely, Tom Cloud

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YNJ.2ACIB/874.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: the "indexa.htm" was a temporary page. The best address to use is to just delete that part and go to http://mykindred.com/cloud/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YNJ.2ACIB/866.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I have a Mattie Anna Cloud married to John Smith Sheppard in 1874, El Paso, ILL. See data at www.cloudweb.org Ken Cloud

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Family Tree DNA is thanking the Cloud Group Administrators for their work on the Cloud Y-DNA Project by offering two $30 gift certificates for use by new participants who order a 25 or 37 marker test kit between now and December 31. Any male Clouds who have been considering joining our DNA Project should take advantage of this $30 discount on the already discounted cost for the DNA test. In the next 28 days two Cloud males can get a 25 marker test for $139 or a 37 marker test for $199. If you are interested, contact me for instructions on how to order the discounted test. For information about the Cloud DNA Project, go to <http://mykindred.com/cloud/> or <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud/> Ray Shirley rshirley@icx.net

Have U tried the SS Death Index ???

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YNJ.2ACIB/893 Message Board Post: Please correct spelling in previous message to: Edgar Bonceur CLOUD

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: CLOUD; PEIRONNET; BAKER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YNJ.2ACIB/892 Message Board Post: I am searching for info re: Edgar B. CLOUD my wife's father. He was born on 19 May 1874; married Lois Adams PEIRONNET on 24 August 1922 in Wheaton, IL; although they later divorced and lost track of him. My wife is Lois Adams PEIRONNET Schetky. We would like to know when and where he died. Plus available info about his siblings. Thanks in advance.