Joseph Cloud was in this area is shown on Rockingham Co Quaker Map. History of Rockingham Co NC he leaves there for Greenbriar, (NC or Tenn)?? Have you seen a Talitha Cloud (b ca 1729 Pa/Del) md Isaac Cantrell ?? Isacc Cantrell was founder of the Wolf Island Church in Rockingham Co NC. Talitha died ??? in NC., Isaac md Mary Linder and emigrates to Spartanburg SC. Will have to recheck my Quaker map (shows all residents) also my Rockingham Co Historical Bk. ( Rockingham Gen Soc) Reva Bruhn

A Granville Co. (NC) tax list of 1751 shows a Joseph Cloud living in the Dan River area. I'm not 100% sure, but I think he was in a section of what later became Rockingham. I also think there's every reason to believe that this was the same Joseph Cloud who subsequently settled on Peter's Creek in Rowan>Surry>Stokes Co., NC, and Henry>Patrick Co., VA. One of his grandsons, Benj. F. Cloud (son of William, of Henry Co., VA) married Susannah Bondurant, and I seem to recall that there was another intermarriage. These Clouds were definitely not Huguenots. As for the Eliz. Cloud you mention, it's certainly possible that she was a daughter of Joseph (which would mean that she was an aunt of the Benj. F. whjo married Susannah Bondurant). We know the names of Joseph's sons but not of the daughters (assuming he had some). Harry From: "Tom Cloud" <tcloud@austin.rr.com> To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: [CLOUD] CLAUD, Phillipe > the email below was posted to an alternate rootsweb forum > > ======= > > Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 21:33:10 -0700 > From: Roberta Sharp <rsharp@csupomona.edu> > Source: Huguenot-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Claud > > Does anyone on the list research Phillipe CLAUD, who arrived in Jamestown > aboard the ship "La Peter and Anthony" in mid 1700.? > Although I do not know that I have any connection to him, I do have a > connection to a fellow passenger John Pierre Bondurant. About four > generations later, descendant Richard Bondurant married Elizabeth Cloud in > Rockingham County, North Carolina. I have been unable to connect > Elizabeth to any of the well-researched Cloud lines, and I wonder if the > name Claud might have become Cloud a few generations later. > > Roberta > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > .................................................................. > Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List? > Submit a brief description of your ancestry. >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YNJ.2ACIB/895 Message Board Post: This is my husbands great grandparents and I would love to correspond with others related to this line! Thanks, Tanya Breese

the email below was posted to an alternate rootsweb forum ======= Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 21:33:10 -0700 From: Roberta Sharp <rsharp@csupomona.edu> Source: Huguenot-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Claud Does anyone on the list research Phillipe CLAUD, who arrived in Jamestown aboard the ship "La Peter and Anthony" in mid 1700.? Although I do not know that I have any connection to him, I do have a connection to a fellow passenger John Pierre Bondurant. About four generations later, descendant Richard Bondurant married Elizabeth Cloud in Rockingham County, North Carolina. I have been unable to connect Elizabeth to any of the well-researched Cloud lines, and I wonder if the name Claud might have become Cloud a few generations later. Roberta

Fannie Cloud ( Frances Ruth) daughter of Elisha was married first to John C. Smith. Your listing shows him to be her third husband. When he was murdered, she was left with three small children; married 2nd Pickett and 3rd Dave Holland. Her gravestone identifies her as Fannie Ruth Holland b. 7-26-1860; d 1-31-1936. John C. Smith was a brother to Sarah Jane and Susan Elizabeth who married William Wilson Cloud.

Descendants of William Cloud 1 William Cloud 1786 - 1840 .. +Sarah 1790 - 1870 ........ 2 Elisha Cloud 1808 - 1871 ............ +Ruth Collins 1812 - 1860 ................... 3 Mary Caroline Cloud 1831 - 1904 ....................... +David Hametar Kleckley 1831 - 1887 ................... 3 Martha Cloud 1833 - 1910 ....................... +John Bridges 1829 - 1910 ................... 3 Sarah Elizabeth Cloud 1834 - 1917 ....................... +Robert Thomas Martin 1837 - 1864 ................... *2nd Husband of Sarah Elizabeth Cloud: ....................... +William Wesley Berry 1831 - 1900 ................... 3 Emily Catherine Cloud 1835 - 1927 ....................... +Henry Jones 1849 - 1910 ................... 3 William Wilson Cloud 1837 - 1907 ....................... +Sarah Jane Smith 1846 - 1885 ................... *2nd Wife of William Wilson Cloud: ....................... +Susan Elizabeth Smith 1854 - 1917 ................... 3 James Washington Cloud 1839 - 1925 ....................... +Lucinda P. Martin 1846 - 1925 ................... 3 Alexander H. Cloud 1841 - 1864 ................... 3 Joseph H Cloud 1844 - 1870 ................... 3 Jane Harriet Cloud 1847 - 1908 ....................... +Warren L. Edge 1847 - ................... 3 Monroe C. Cloud 1850 - 1917 ....................... +Sarah Annie Crosby 1855 - 1888 ................... *2nd Wife of Monroe C. Cloud: ....................... +Laura 1874 - 1900 ................... 3 Frances Ruth Cloud 1852 - 1936 ....................... +David F. Holland ................... *2nd Husband of Frances Ruth Cloud: ....................... +J. R. Pickett ................... *3rd Husband of Frances Ruth Cloud: ....................... +John Clark Smith 1852 - 1890 ........ 2 Henry C Cloud 1809 - 1870 ........ 2 Elizabeth Cloud 1810 - 1888 ............ +William Malachi Shelley 1804 - 1877 ................... 3 Marquis De Lafayette Shelley 1836 - 1921 ....................... +Mary Jane Roney 1846 - 1924 ................... 3 Francis Marion Shelley 1838 - ................... 3 Noah Cloud Shelley 1838 - ....................... +Martha ................... 3 Malachi Pope Shelley 1844 - ................... 3 Mary Valley Shelley 1846 - ................... 3 Christopher Columbus Shelley 1847 - ........ 2 Elijah Cloud 1812 - 1880 ............ +Martha A. Field 1829 - 1902 ................... 3 Mary Jane Cloud 1845 - ....................... +Jacob W. Bedenbaugh 1843 - ................... 3 Sarah A. Cloud 1846 - 1902 ................... 3 Elizabeth W. Cloud 1850 - ....................... +Robert S Powell 1851 - ................... 3 Georgia Ann Cloud 1851 - ....................... +Joseph M. Nelson 1850 - ................... 3 Josephine Cloud 1853 - 1898 ....................... +Rufus Asbery Smith 1849 - 1910 ................... 3 William W Cloud 1856 - 1922 ....................... +Alice Dupree 1866 - 1900 ................... 3 Emily C. Cloud 1858 - 1932 ................... 3 James W Cloud 1861 - ................... 3 Thomas J Cloud 1863 - ................... 3 Martha I. Cloud 1866 - 1939 ....................... +Peter H. Redmond 1858 - 1908 ........ 2 Catherine Cloud 1825 - ........ 2 Lucinda Cloud 1825 - 1882 ............ +Jordan Strickland 1818 - 1882 ................... 3 William Harrison Strickland 1852 - ....................... +Sallie Dunn ................... 3 Scott Strickand 1853 - ................... 3 John Winfield Strickland 1856 - 1921 ....................... +Lillla R. Harris 1866 - 1924 ................... 3 Sarah Rachel Strickland 1858 - 1937 ................... 3 Noel F Strickland 1858 - 1923 ....................... +Sallie Josephine Nash 1861 - 1891 2 ................... *2nd Wife of Noel F Strickland: ....................... +Trudy Allen 1857 - ................... 3 Sallie Strickland 1861 - ........ 2 John M Cloud 1827 - 1897 ............ +Annie Rebecca Coogle 1825 - 1895 ................... 3 Sarah E. Cloud 1853 - ....................... +John Wesley Beardin 1849 - ................... 3 Nancy K Cloud 1855 - ................... 3 William Joseph Cloud 1856 - 1930 ....................... +Loula E. Johnson 1866 - ................... 3 Rachel M Cloud 1859 - ....................... +John C Reed 1855 - ................... 3 Mary C. Cloud 1864 - 1964 ....................... +George Allen Chapman 1865 - 1950

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C60D3B.61E53280 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have these folks in my data, but think might be the same. See attached listing. Ken Cloud ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C60D3B.61E53280 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; name="phil.txt"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="phil.txt" Descendants of Phillip = CLOUD-9647 =20 30 Dec 2005 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1. Phillip CLOUD-9647 (b.Abt 1809-Edgefield,Edgefield Co.,SC d.Bef = 1855-Decatur Co.,GA) sp: Sophie Elizabeth MOCK-9648 (b.Bef 1820-GA m.20 Sep 1843) |-2. William CLOUD-9873 (b.1846-Decatur Co.,GA d.1 Aug 1894-Decatur = Co.,GA) | sp: Mary Lou BATSON-11166 (b.5 Sep 1853-Burke Co.,GA d.14 Oct = 1938-Decatur Co.,GA) | |-3. Minnie E. CLOUD-11167 (b.1877-Decatur Co.,GA) | +-3. Louisa CLOUD-11168 (b.1879-Decatur Co.,GA) |-2. Manisco C. CLOUD-3682 (b.Jan 1844-Decatur Co.,GA) | sp: Louvenia WHITAKER-8405 (m.12 Sep 1867) | sp: Mary RUDD-9875 (b.Unknown m.1 May 1872 d.Unknown) | sp: Ann ELLIS-9876 (b.Abt 1856 m.7 Mar 1880) |-2. Noah David CLOUD-9801 (b.Feb 1849-Decatur Co.,GA d.17 Dec = 1933-Decatur Co.,GA) | sp: Sarah Mary Frances LEWIS-9796 (b.May 1855-Decatur Co.,GA m.18 = Sep 1878 d.Mar 1939-Decatur Co.,GA) | |-3. Edner CLOUD-9800 (b.1879-Decatur Co.,GA) | +-3. William CLOUD-9850 (b.25 Sep 1882-Decatur Co.,GA d.Nov = 1976-Decatur Co.,GA) | sp: Eva Leyonder SMITH-9808 (b.22 Sep 1891-Decatur Co.,GA m.18 = Dec 1904) | |-4. Doris CLOUD-16765 | | sp: PRESTIGE-16764 | |-4. Alma CLOUD-11214 (b.13 Jun 1906-Decatur Co.,GA) | | sp: Lehman Ellis HERRING-11215 (b.6 Sep 1903 m.22 Jan 1960) | |-4. Newton CLOUD-11216 (b.30 Jun 1908-Decatur Co.,GA d.Mar = 1973-GA) | |-4. Gordon CLOUD-11217 (b.1911-Decatur Co.,GA) | |-4. Emmette CLOUD-11218 (b.1913-Decatur Co.,GA) | |-4. Hubert Carlyle CLOUD-11219 (b.1915-Decatur Co.,GA) | |-4. Lillian CLOUD-11220 (b.1917-Decatur Co.,GA) | +-4. Odis CLOUD-11221 (b.1919-Decatur Co.,GA) |-2. Perry CLOUD-17630 (b.1839-Decatur Co.,GA) sp: Unkown 1st Wife Of Phillip Cloud -10039 (b.Unknown m.Bef 1839 = d.Unknown) +-2. Jerry (Perry) CLOUD-10040 (b.Abt 1839) -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------- =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1. Noah CLOUD-17443 (b.1846-GA) sp: Sarah F. Wife Of Noah Cloud -17444 (b.1861-GA) |-2. Dolie CLOUD-17445 | sp: Robert LYNN-17446 (m.22 Feb 1917) | +-3. Thomas LYNN-17448 (b.Abt 1918-GA) +-2. Noah S. CLOUD-17447 (b.1902) -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C60D3B.61E53280--

Tim Do you have the marriage date for Nelson? Got the kids frm Lynn. Ken Cloud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Mattingly" <gtm.3@insightbb.com> To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 29 December, 2005 11:42 AM Subject: [CLOUD] Cloud family from PA to Franklin/Henry Co.,IN area > jlynn16@verizon.net, kec@cox.net and other CLOUD researchers, > I saw your posting Jesse Whitmer Cloud and the Cloud line that was > in Franklin/Henry Co.,IN area. I have been working on that line for 28 > years and would like to share any data I have. Hope you will do the > same. > Atwell Robert Cloud (Jun.1866-Apl.11,1949), was the son of Nelson > Croft Cloud. Nelson Croft Cloud had 7 children. 4 girls and 3 boys. > I have all their names and 4 of the spouses. > Nelson Croft Cloud was the son of Jesse Whitmer Cloud and Jane > Nelson. Jane was Jesse 2nd wife. Please get with me because there is > a few names and dates that are blank. Tim > Tim Mattingly > gtm.3@insightbb.com > > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > ................................................................ > Cloud Family DNA Project > http://mykindred.com/cloud/dna/ > >

FHL Film # 388558, pages 275 & 276 Abstract of Wills and Administrations Jeremiah Cloud, E. Marlborough, d. 14 Feb 1747-8. Probate : 26 Feb 1747-8 Provides for wife Anne. To son William the Plantation where he now dwells, being by estimation 200 acres where my son Joel formerly dwelt. To son Jeremiah, the Plantation where I dwell cont 230 acres. To son Mordecai the tract of land my father gave to my bro Daniel, near Chichester. To gr son Joel that settlement on which his father dwelt, by est 100 acres. To dau in law Hester Cloud the profits of said land for bringing up the children, viz David, Daniel & Joel until they are 14. To son in law Thomas Underwood 1 £. To gr dau Lydia Underwood10 £ at 18. Mentions apprentice Abraham Johnston. Exec's. Son Jeremiah Cloud. Daniel Baily & Joseph Davis assistants. Wit. John Cloud, George Baily. Test died before he could sign the will. ================================================================================== FHL# 388558 page 234 (October 2005) Will of John R. Cloud, Brandywine Hundred, died 19 March 1743/4 .......Probate 10 December 1744 To son Edward £40 which he owes me. To daughter Ann £5. To Daughter Susanna Bird £5. To son John remainder of estate and Executor. Witnesses: Adam and John Buckley FHL # 388558, page 242 Abstract of Wills and Administrations, Chester County, PA Mordecai Cloud near Bradford d. 23 Jun 1745 Probated, 27 Aug 1745 To wife Abagail the Plantation on each side of road from Trimbles Mill to Marlborough cont(aining?) 200 acres during life, also the Plantation I now live on until son Mordecai is 21. To son Mordecai the aforesaid Plantation on West side of said road cont. 350 acres when 21. To son Abner the Plantation on East side of road on his mother's dec. To dau Betty 40£ at 21 or Mar. To daus Sarah, Susanna & Elizabeth 50£ each at 21 or Mar. To son Joseph 60£ when 21. Ex: wife Abagail Cloud Wit: Jeremiah Cloud, Jere Cloud jr., Joseph Davis FHL# 388558 page 175 (October 2005) Will of Joseph Cloud, who died 20 Aug 1739, Concord, Chester Co., PA. Will probated 19 Oct 1739. To son Joseph a Bond of 10 £ due from him to me. To dau Mary Kerlin 1£., To dau anne Vernon 1£. To wife Mary (Mary Green Moore), 2£ yearly to be paid by son Joseph & other provision. Executor wife Mary Wit: Jeremiah Cloud, Richard Rundels --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

jlynn16@verizon.net, kec@cox.net and other CLOUD researchers, I saw your posting Jesse Whitmer Cloud and the Cloud line that was in Franklin/Henry Co.,IN area. I have been working on that line for 28 years and would like to share any data I have. Hope you will do the same. Atwell Robert Cloud (Jun.1866-Apl.11,1949), was the son of Nelson Croft Cloud. Nelson Croft Cloud had 7 children. 4 girls and 3 boys. I have all their names and 4 of the spouses. Nelson Croft Cloud was the son of Jesse Whitmer Cloud and Jane Nelson. Jane was Jesse 2nd wife. Please get with me because there is a few names and dates that are blank. Tim Tim Mattingly gtm.3@insightbb.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YNJ.2ACIB/66.476.1.1 Message Board Post: email me at jlynn16@verizon.net and I will send everything to you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YNJ.2ACIB/66.476.1 Message Board Post: I have Atwell and his brothers, but dont have any sisters listed. That line in my data goes back to Jesse Whitmer Cloud, but i have been unable to connect them to any Cloud line. If you have anything further on them would love have the info to add to the data on my website www.cloudweb.org Ken Cloud

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: cloud Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YNJ.2ACIB/66.476 Message Board Post: I know it has been a while but Atwell Cloud was my husbands great-grandmothers brother (Evaline Cloud Snoddy) I have a list of all the brothers and sisters I think it is all of them

This was found on Rootsweb. Can someone on this mail list elaborate? "Jean Pierre BONDURANT, b. 1700, came to Virginia from London in 1700 with other Huguenot refugees. Among those on the same ship was a person whose surname was given as CLAUD. A few generations later in my line Richard Bondurant b. 1768 married Elizabeth CLOUD, b. 1765, NC. So far I have been unable to identify her parents or siblings. Does anyone on the list recognize Elizabeth? Can anyone tell me if CLAUD could be a form of CLOUD?" Ray Shirley rshirley@icx.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YNJ.2ACIB/149.163.212.2.1.1 Message Board Post: My research has found that African American Cloud family lived in Gaston county, NC, Rock Hill, SC and Surry County, NC as share croppers after being freed. I am the grand daughter of Nathaniel Cloud of Gastonia, NC he was married to Euzell Powell Cloud from Morganton, NC. Also found out that the Cloud, and Archie family are directly related. I've learned that I have family in SC wanting to get to know who they are. It's time to shake off the dust and find out the truth

this was posted to an alternate rootsweb forum >Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:47:24 -0700 >From: Dan M <wb@wvi.com> >Source: CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Cherokee Circle] Manatory read out loud > > >I got this years ago >Reading this out loud > is the only way to get the real life effect from the story. > I know == I treid it == I cried. >If you too have enough compasion to cry then you are one with the Creator as >well. >================as follows=========>> >read out loud to family or a friend if you dare = >this is a very compelling writing, very strong, once read, you<>will be a >different person - I think that is inevitable = >=======continue ======== power is in the words here- remember I warned you >========>>> >========================================> >Cite =Samuel Cloud: > >Samuel Cloud turned 9 years old on the Trail of Tears. Samuel's Memory is >told by his great-great grandson, Micheal Rutledge, in his paper Forgiveness >in the Age of Forgetfulness. Micheal, a citizen of the Cherokee Nation of >Oklahoma, is a law student at Arizona State University. > >It is Spring. The leaves are on the trees. I am playing with my friends when >white men in uniforms ride up to our home. My mother calls me. I can tell by >her voice that something is wrong. Some of the men ride off. My mother tells >me to gather my things, but the men don't allow us time to get anything. >They enter our home and begin knocking over pottery and looking into >everything. My mother and I are taken by several men to where their horses >are and are held there at gun point. The men who rode off return with my >father, Elijah. They have taken his rifle and he is walking toward us. > >I can feel his anger and frustration. There is nothing he can do. From my >mother I feel fear. I am filled with fear, too. What is going on? I was just >playing, but now my family and my friends' families are gathered together >and told to walk at the point of a bayonet. > >We walk a long ways. My mother does not let me get far from her. My father >is walking by the other men, talking in low, angry tones. The soldiers look >weary, as though they'd rather be anywhere else but here. > >They lead us to a stockade. They herd us into this pen like we are cattle. >No one was given time to gather any possessions. The nights are still cold >in the mountains and we do not have enough blankets to go around. My mother >holds me at night to keep me warm. That is the only time I feel safe. I feel >her pull me to her tightly. I feel her warm breath in my hair. I feel her >softness as I fall asleep at night. > >As the days pass, more and more of our people are herded into the stockade. >I see other members of my clan. We children try to play, but the elders >around us are anxious and we do not know what to think. I often sit and >watch the others around me. I observe the guards. I try not to think about >my hunger. I am cold. > >Several months have passed and still we are in the stockades. My father >looks tired. He talks with the other men, but no one seems to know what to >do or what is going to happen. We hear that white men have moved into our >homes and are farming our fields. What will happen to us? We are to march >west to join the Western Cherokees. I don't want to leave these mountains. > >My mother, my aunts and uncles take me aside one day. "Your father died last >night," they tell me. My mother and my father's clan members are crying, but >I do not understand what this means. I saw him yesterday. He was sick, but >still alive. It doesn't seem real. Nothing seems real. I don't know what any >of this means. It seems like yesterday, I was playing with my friends. > >It is now Fall. It seems like forever since I was clean. The stockade is >nothing but mud. In the morning it is stiff with frost. By mid-afternoon, it >is soft and we are all covered in it. The soldiers suddenly tell us we are >to follow them. We are led out of the stockade. The guards all have guns and >are watching us closely. We walk. My mother keeps me close to her. I am >allowed to walk with my uncle or an aunt, occasionally. > >We walk across the frozen earth. Nothing seems right anymore. The cold seeps >through my clothes. I wish I had my blanket. I remember last winter I had a >blanket, when I was warm. I don't feel like I'll ever be warm again. I >remember my father's smile. It seems like so long ago. > >We walked for many days. I don't know how long it has been since we left our >home, but the mountains are behind us. Each day, we start walking a little >later. They bury the dead in shallow graves, because the ground is frozen. >As we walk past white towns, the whites come out to watch us pass. No words >are spoken to them. No words are said to us. Still, I wish they would stop >staring. I wish it were them walking in this misery and I were watching >them. It is because of them that we are walking. I don't understand why, but >I know that much. They made us leave our homes. They made us walk to this >new place we are heading in the middle of winter. I do not like these >people. Still, they stare at me as I walk past. > >My mother is coughing now. She looks worn. Her hands and face are burning >hot. My aunts and uncles try to take care of me, so she can get better. I >don't want to leave her alone. I just want to sit with her. I want her to >stroke my hair, like she used to do. My aunts try to get me to sleep by >them, but at night, I creep to her side. She coughs and it wracks her whole >body. When she feels me by her side, she opens her blanket and lets me in. I >nestle against her feverish body. I can make it another day, I know, because >she is here. > >When I went to sleep last night, my mother was hot and coughing worse than >usual. When I woke up, she was cold. I tried to wake her up, but she lay >there. The soft warmth she once was, she is no more. I kept touching her, as >hot tears stream down my face. She couldn't leave me. She wouldn't leave me. > >I hear myself call her name, softly, then louder. She does not answer. My >aunt and uncle come over to me to see what is wrong. My aunt looks at my >mother. My uncle pulls me from her. My aunt begins to wail. I will never >forget that wail. I did not understand when my father died. My mother's >death I do not understand, but I suddenly know that I am alone. My clan will >take care of me, but I will be forever denied her warmth, the soft fingers >in my hair, her gentle breath as we slept. I am alone. I want to cry. I want >to scream in rage. I can do nothing. > >We bury her in a shallow grave by the road. I will never forget that >lonesome hill of stone that is her final bed, as it fades from my sight. I >tread softly by my uncle, my hand in his. I walk with my head turned, >watching that small hill as it fades from my sight. The soldiers make us >continue walking. My uncle talks to me, trying to comfort me. I walk in >loneliness. > >I know what it is to hate. I hate those white soldiers who took us from our >home. I hate the soldiers who make us keep walking through the snow and ice >toward this new home that none of us ever wanted. I hate the people who >killed my father and mother. > >I hate the white people who lined the roads in their woolen clothes that >kept them warm, watching us pass. None of those white people are here to say >they are sorry that I am alone. None of them care about me or my people. All >they ever saw was the color of our skin. All I see is the color of theirs >and I hate them. > >================ >more here >http://www.cherokeebyblood.com/trailtears.htm >I have not heard from Jerry Wright Jordon for a long time. >She used to be here. Wish she was now. l;-) >Now if you can - >remember just what the >seasons mean to those of the past. >Dan M

_From Pioneer Trails, The Birmingham Genealogical Society, Jan. 1976, Vol. 18, No. 1 p. 22 _ Morgan's General Store Receiving Book, Hamburg, GA June 19, 1839-Jan. 13,1840 The following names of customers were copied by Mrs. Frances W. Garrison (in 1965)from an old leather bound book, then in possession of Mrs. Bill Eddings, Birmingham, Alabama. Hamburg, in lower Macon Co., GA,., was founded in (the) early 1800's by German settlers. It was the junction for two stage routes. Thomas Henry (sic) Morgan came south from Bolingbroke, Mass., in 1837. He operated a general store, was postmaster, served as county surveyor,tax receiver and collector, and served in the Confederate States Army..... CLOUD, E. " Elijah " Elisha " Henry " Mrs.

Sharon My father was also all ways told the their name used be be McCloud. We should compare lines. Thanks Barbara and David Clark C2Ranches C2Ranches@msn.com<mailto:C2Ranches@msn.com> "We are the reason for the season! Jesus is the gift" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve & Sharon McChrystal" <mcchrystal@charter.net<mailto:mcchrystal@charter.net>> To: <CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: [CLOUD] Early Families of Decatur County Georgia > Wow -- I wish this was true - wouldn't it be nice to wrap things up so > easily? Olive Ruth Nabors told me a long time ago it was full of errors. > I am sure of Elisha Cloud and his descendants (My grandmother Annie > Irene Cloud was his granddaughter) The family story is that we were > McClouds of McLeods originally from Scotland but trying to prove that is > a true challenge. > > Thanks again to Tom and all the hard work he does trying to make sense > of all of our data! > > Sharon McChrystal > > > ==== CLOUD Mailing List ==== > ............................................................... > Cloud Family DNA Project > http://mykindred.com/cloud/dna/<http://mykindred.com/cloud/dna/> > >

At 10:43 AM 12/18/2005, Sharon McChrystal wrote: >Wow -- I wish this was true - wouldn't it be nice to wrap things up so easily? Olive Ruth Nabors told me a long time ago it was full of errors. I am sure of Elisha Cloud and his descendants (My grandmother Annie Irene Cloud was his granddaughter) The family story is that we were McClouds of McLeods originally from Scotland but trying to prove that is a true challenge. > >Thanks again to Tom and all the hard work he does trying to make sense of all of our data! > >Sharon McChrystal Sharon, I had long heard that the Cloud name came from McCleod (I used to attend "The Gathering of the Clans / Highland Games" every year). That is one reason I solicited the McCleod DNA Project to allow our project to use their data for comparison. I've not updated their data recently, but you can see the comparison from the Cloud DNA Project pages ... http://mykindred.com/cloud/dna/results/cloud-macleod.php I believe your branches' participants are 33774 and 41880. Without having the resolution of the 37-marker test, it will be difficult for you to hone in on any particular line, but kit 33774 is a 25-marker test. Looking at the McCleod data and kit 33774, the smallest allele count I see is nine, and that is with kit 32731 (Ken). ** please keep in mind that the counts you see on the pages I made do NOT reflect what is called genetic distance. The actual genetic distance is usually less than the difference count and often considerably less because some markers move faster than others and don't carry the "distance" weight of other markers. For example, five of those nine allele counts are from the red markers, which are given less significance and sometimes aren't counted at all. The Family Tree DNA Genetic Distance calculation shows a distance of three for your kit 33774 and kit 32731. In their FAQ, they say this about a distance of three for the 25-marker test: http://www.familytreedna.com/gdrules_25.html "Probably Not Related" "You share the same surname (or a variant) but are off by 3 'points' or 3 locations on the 25 markers tested. If enough time has passed it is possible that you and another distantly related family members' line each have had a mutation, or perhaps 2. The only way to prove that is to test additional family lines and find where the mutation took place. Expressed another way, assume your score puts you at 3 on the clock. Assume the person 3 from you is at the 9 position. Only by further testing can you find the person in between each of you...this in 'betweener' becomes essential for you to find, and in their absence the possibility of a match exists, but further evidence should be pursued." It doesn't appear to me that your line is from any of the McCleods currently listed. There is the possibility we will find the "in-betweener" that will link your line to that of William Cloud the immigrant ... or perhaps to an ancestor of his. We just need more participants in our dna project. Tom

Wow -- I wish this was true - wouldn't it be nice to wrap things up so easily? Olive Ruth Nabors told me a long time ago it was full of errors. I am sure of Elisha Cloud and his descendants (My grandmother Annie Irene Cloud was his granddaughter) The family story is that we were McClouds of McLeods originally from Scotland but trying to prove that is a true challenge. Thanks again to Tom and all the hard work he does trying to make sense of all of our data! Sharon McChrystal