You've misunderstood my point. Let me clarify: In order to get Legacy data into Clooz (people, sources, anything), Legacy does not need TO BE MODIFIED to *write to* Clooz. Clooz can BE MODIFIED to *read from* Legacy. You don't need Millenia's involvement at all. I was responding to your prior statement "If you want to be able to add people to Legacy and then Clooz, you'll need to bug the folks at Millennia as it's their move to make that possible. " In fact, you/your programmer can make this possible. For example, implement an "Import New People" function in Clooz which would, when selected, provide the user with a dropdown list of Legacy folk. User selection from this list would result in the selected individuals' pertinent data being inserted into Clooz. I, too, know what I'm talking about. Margaret Flint Blackmon Oracle Certified Master DBA, 1992 Oracle Developer, V5-V11i, 1988-2006 Microsoft Access Developer, 1991-2006 Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: > That's not true. Clooz writes to Legacy and Clooz databases. Legacy > writes to Legacy databases only. If you want to write people to Legacy > and Clooz simultaneously, the only way to do that currently is to add > them to Clooz. Legacy doesn't add people to the Clooz database, which > is separate. > > I really do know what I'm talking about, Margaret. > > At 01:23 PM 6/15/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: >> In order to get Legacy data into Clooz (people, sources, anything), >> Legacy does not need to **write to** Clooz. Clooz can **read from** >> Legacy. You don't need Millenia's involvement at all. >> >> Margaret >> >> >> Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: >>> Clooz writes to Legacy but Legacy doesn't write PEOPLE to Clooz, as >>> I said below. It's not for me, it's for Legacy users. >>> >>> At 11:34 AM 6/15/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: * >>>> Now I'm very confused. Clooz currently writes to Legacy, so that >>>> connection exists. What's preventing Clooz from querying that same >>>> database? What exactly do you expect Millenia to provide? >>>> >>>> Margaret >>>> >>>> At 09:17 PM 6/14/2006, Nancy Bender wrote: >>>>> I just recently upgraded to Clooz 2.0 and Legacy 6 Deluxe. From >>>>> what I have been reading, if I am understanding correctly, when I >>>>> enter new people in Legacy, the only way to get them into Clooz is >>>>> to enter them manually. Is that correct? I have preferred to enter >>>>> people into Legacy first then Clooz, but it sounds like I need to >>>>> change my habit and enter into Clooz first so they will be >>>>> automatically entered into Legacy. Am I understanding this process >>>>> correctly? >>>> >>>> That is correct at the moment. If you want to be able to add people >>>> to Legacy and then Clooz, you'll need to bug the folks at Millennia >>>> as it's their move to make that possible. >>>> >>>> Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>>> Ancestor Detective, LLC >>>> http://www.ancestordetective.com >>>> Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>>> Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>>> Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>> >>> Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>> Ancestor Detective, LLC >>> http://www.ancestordetective.com >>> Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>> Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>> Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >> >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com > Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >

In working with my pictures of building such as churches - the ones that I have attended as well a the ones that other family members have attended, I have multiple pictures such as the outside of the church, the inside such as sanctuary, etc. At the present time, I know that Clooz V2 doesn't provide for multiples for one entry, and though that I had read that this was an enhancement that was being planned. I have adopted a work around until that time. The workaround is to label the building, churches in this case, as "Church-VA-001" as the main picture of the outside. Then when there are additional pictures to then identify within Clooz V2 and for the file name as "Church-VA-001a" for the second one, "Church-VA-001b" as the third picture, and right down the alphabet. Then when the enhancement of Clooz V2 is made available, I will then be able to link them back to the main record for the church. So, I guess the questions are these: (1) did I remember seeing correctly that this is a forth coming enhancement? And (2) does or could any one think of a better work around at this time while we are waiting on the enhancement? If there are some other thoughts on this, by all means share them as I might have been short sighted in my planning and naming here for churches.

Also, as this message arrived, I felt that a good enhancement would be the name of the building - such as "Shiloh United Method Church, Montpelier, VA" This would be in the detail of the record and then show on the grid. This would be applicable to other areas in Clooz, and the logic hopefully could be reused. Then when looking at the grid, we could quickly see which building we would like to work with and see the people we have on file that are linked to the building. Comments? Thoughts? Dick Davis Messenger AOL: DDavis5310, Yahoo: DickDavis60, MSN: FDDavis53@hotmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Dick Davis [mailto:Dick.Davis@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:05 AM To: Clooz-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Clooz] CloozV2 - Buildings - Multiple Pictures and Work Around In working with my pictures of building such as churches - the ones that I have attended as well a the ones that other family members have attended, I have multiple pictures such as the outside of the church, the inside such as sanctuary, etc. At the present time, I know that Clooz V2 doesn't provide for multiples for one entry, and though that I had read that this was an enhancement that was being planned. I have adopted a work around until that time. The workaround is to label the building, churches in this case, as "Church-VA-001" as the main picture of the outside. Then when there are additional pictures to then identify within Clooz V2 and for the file name as "Church-VA-001a" for the second one, "Church-VA-001b" as the third picture, and right down the alphabet. Then when the enhancement of Clooz V2 is made available, I will then be able to link them back to the main record for the church. So, I guess the questions are these: (1) did I remember seeing correctly that this is a forth coming enhancement? And (2) does or could any one think of a better work around at this time while we are waiting on the enhancement? If there are some other thoughts on this, by all means share them as I might have been short sighted in my planning and naming here for churches. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Margaret, I would appreciate it if you would make your programming suggestions to me instead of to the list. I am a staff of one, and I pay a programmer, who is currently on vacation. It took me 5 years to release Clooz 2. Implementing anything new is not as easy as you make it sound. There's no reason Millennia can't make functions available for their users within Legacy as I've done within Clooz, if they want to provide that service to their customers. Clooz is a stand-alone program and I've only added the convenience of using Legacy and Clooz together because I purchased their GEDCOM code. I don't make it easy for users of ANY other program to use the two together, and I'm beginning to regret making Legacy and Clooz work together (for several reasons). My obligation is to ALL of my customers, not just to Legacy users. I will concentrate my programming resources where I feel they are most needed. At 10:01 AM 6/16/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: >You've misunderstood my point. Let me clarify: > >In order to get Legacy data into Clooz (people, sources, anything), >Legacy does not need TO BE MODIFIED to *write to* Clooz. Clooz can >BE MODIFIED to *read from* Legacy. You don't need Millenia's >involvement at all. > >I was responding to your prior statement "If you want to be able to >add people to Legacy and then Clooz, you'll need to bug the folks at >Millennia as it's their move to make that possible. " >In fact, you/your programmer can make this possible. For example, >implement an "Import New People" function in Clooz which would, when >selected, provide the user with a dropdown list of Legacy >folk. User selection from this list would result in the selected >individuals' pertinent data being inserted into Clooz. >I, too, know what I'm talking about. > >Margaret Flint Blackmon >Oracle Certified Master DBA, 1992 >Oracle Developer, V5-V11i, 1988-2006 >Microsoft Access Developer, 1991-2006 > >Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: >>That's not true. Clooz writes to Legacy and Clooz databases. Legacy >>writes to Legacy databases only. If you want to write people to >>Legacy and Clooz simultaneously, the only way to do that currently >>is to add them to Clooz. Legacy doesn't add people to the Clooz >>database, which is separate. >> >>I really do know what I'm talking about, Margaret. >> >>At 01:23 PM 6/15/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: >>>In order to get Legacy data into Clooz (people, sources, >>>anything), Legacy does not need to **write to** Clooz. Clooz can >>>**read from** Legacy. You don't need Millenia's involvement at all. >>> >>>Margaret >>> >>> >>>Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: >>>>Clooz writes to Legacy but Legacy doesn't write PEOPLE to Clooz, >>>>as I said below. It's not for me, it's for Legacy users. >>>> >>>>At 11:34 AM 6/15/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: * >>>>>Now I'm very confused. Clooz currently writes to Legacy, so >>>>>that connection exists. What's preventing Clooz from querying >>>>>that same database? What exactly do you expect Millenia to provide? >>>>> >>>>>Margaret >>>>> >>>>>At 09:17 PM 6/14/2006, Nancy Bender wrote: >>>>>>I just recently upgraded to Clooz 2.0 and Legacy 6 Deluxe. From >>>>>>what I have been reading, if I am understanding correctly, when >>>>>>I enter new people in Legacy, the only way to get them into >>>>>>Clooz is to enter them manually. Is that correct? I have >>>>>>preferred to enter people into Legacy first then Clooz, but it >>>>>>sounds like I need to change my habit and enter into Clooz >>>>>>first so they will be automatically entered into Legacy. Am I >>>>>>understanding this process correctly? >>>>> >>>>>That is correct at the moment. If you want to be able to add >>>>>people to Legacy and then Clooz, you'll need to bug the folks at >>>>>Millennia as it's their move to make that possible. >>>>> >>>>>Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>>>>Ancestor Detective, LLC >>>>>http://www.ancestordetective.com >>>>>Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>>>>Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>>>>Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >>>>> >>>>>============================== >>>>>Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>>>>ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>>>>http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>>> >>>>Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>>>Ancestor Detective, LLC >>>>http://www.ancestordetective.com >>>>Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>>>Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>>>Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >>Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>Ancestor Detective, LLC >>http://www.ancestordetective.com >>Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Elizabeth ~ I was not making "programming suggestions"; if I were, the post would have included code. I was merely addressing Clooz/Legacy interoperability features at a *functional/user level* in response to another poster's query. I in no way inferred degree of difficulty one way or the other regarding new feature implementation. The topic never came up. Margaret Flint Blackmon Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: > Margaret, I would appreciate it if you would make your programming > suggestions to me instead of to the list. I am a staff of one, and I > pay a programmer, who is currently on vacation. It took me 5 years to > release Clooz 2. Implementing anything new is not as easy as you make > it sound. There's no reason Millennia can't make functions available > for their users within Legacy as I've done within Clooz, if they want > to provide that service to their customers. > > Clooz is a stand-alone program and I've only added the convenience of > using Legacy and Clooz together because I purchased their GEDCOM code. > I don't make it easy for users of ANY other program to use the two > together, and I'm beginning to regret making Legacy and Clooz work > together (for several reasons). My obligation is to ALL of my > customers, not just to Legacy users. I will concentrate my programming > resources where I feel they are most needed. > > At 10:01 AM 6/16/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: >> You've misunderstood my point. Let me clarify: >> >> In order to get Legacy data into Clooz (people, sources, anything), >> Legacy does not need TO BE MODIFIED to *write to* Clooz. Clooz can >> BE MODIFIED to *read from* Legacy. You don't need Millenia's >> involvement at all. >> >> I was responding to your prior statement "If you want to be able to >> add people to Legacy and then Clooz, you'll need to bug the folks at >> Millennia as it's their move to make that possible. " >> In fact, you/your programmer can make this possible. For example, >> implement an "Import New People" function in Clooz which would, when >> selected, provide the user with a dropdown list of Legacy folk. User >> selection from this list would result in the selected individuals' >> pertinent data being inserted into Clooz. >> I, too, know what I'm talking about. >> >> Margaret Flint Blackmon >> Oracle Certified Master DBA, 1992 >> Oracle Developer, V5-V11i, 1988-2006 >> Microsoft Access Developer, 1991-2006 >> >> Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: >>> That's not true. Clooz writes to Legacy and Clooz databases. Legacy >>> writes to Legacy databases only. If you want to write people to >>> Legacy and Clooz simultaneously, the only way to do that currently >>> is to add them to Clooz. Legacy doesn't add people to the Clooz >>> database, which is separate. >>> >>> I really do know what I'm talking about, Margaret. >>> >>> At 01:23 PM 6/15/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: >>>> In order to get Legacy data into Clooz (people, sources, anything), >>>> Legacy does not need to **write to** Clooz. Clooz can **read >>>> from** Legacy. You don't need Millenia's involvement at all. >>>> >>>> Margaret >>>> >>>> >>>> Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL wrote: >>>>> Clooz writes to Legacy but Legacy doesn't write PEOPLE to Clooz, >>>>> as I said below. It's not for me, it's for Legacy users. >>>>> >>>>> At 11:34 AM 6/15/2006, Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: * >>>>>> Now I'm very confused. Clooz currently writes to Legacy, so that >>>>>> connection exists. What's preventing Clooz from querying that >>>>>> same database? What exactly do you expect Millenia to provide? >>>>>> >>>>>> Margaret >>>>>> >>>>>> At 09:17 PM 6/14/2006, Nancy Bender wrote: >>>>>>> I just recently upgraded to Clooz 2.0 and Legacy 6 Deluxe. From >>>>>>> what I have been reading, if I am understanding correctly, when >>>>>>> I enter new people in Legacy, the only way to get them into >>>>>>> Clooz is to enter them manually. Is that correct? I have >>>>>>> preferred to enter people into Legacy first then Clooz, but it >>>>>>> sounds like I need to change my habit and enter into Clooz first >>>>>>> so they will be automatically entered into Legacy. Am I >>>>>>> understanding this process correctly? >>>>>> >>>>>> That is correct at the moment. If you want to be able to add >>>>>> people to Legacy and then Clooz, you'll need to bug the folks at >>>>>> Millennia as it's their move to make that possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>>>>> Ancestor Detective, LLC >>>>>> http://www.ancestordetective.com >>>>>> Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>>>>> Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>>>>> Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >>>>>> >>>>>> ============================== >>>>>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>>>>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>>>>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>>>> >>>>> Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>>>> Ancestor Detective, LLC >>>>> http://www.ancestordetective.com >>>>> Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>>>> Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>>>> Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and >>>> the >>>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >>> Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- >>> Ancestor Detective, LLC >>> http://www.ancestordetective.com >>> Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com >>> Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com >>> Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org >> >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > > Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- > Ancestor Detective, LLC > http://www.ancestordetective.com > Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com > Editor of Genealogical Computing, http://www.ancestry.com > Editor of NGS NewsMagazine, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >