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    1. [CLOOZ] Sync'ing Clooz using REFN, AFN, _FSFTID
    2. Brian Smith via
    3. After printing and carefully studying the Clooz 3 UserManual, then experimenting with the program, I have the followingrecommendations for future editions:   Add cells to the Individual's ‘Vitals’ screen for the RINand these GEDCOM-tagged numbers:  REFN, AFN,_FSFTID.   Add the ability/option to display not just RIN, but alsoREFN, AFN, _FSFTID in the Data Transfer Manager.   Add the ability/option to sync using REFN, or AFN, or _FSFTID, instead of RIN.    Though impressed with Clooz 3, the lack of these features isfor me a serious hindrance to using it. The reason is that I want to be able towork with different genealogy programs (namely Ancestral Quest and RootsMagic)which otherwise contain the same data. Trying to preserve RIN numbers ingenealogy programs is a bit like playing Russian Roulette. On the other hand,the other mentioned items are preserved/stable in situations where the RIN maynot be.   If Clooz had this additional capability, it could betterserve as a document manager that is external to, but effectively integratedwith, a lineage-linked genealogy program. (P.S., switching to Legacy FamilyTree exclusively is not an option.) Brian 

    05/13/2016 11:15:08
    1. Re: [CLOOZ] Sync'ing Clooz using REFN, AFN, _FSFTID
    2. Rich Thomas via
    3. Brian, Interesting food for thought. Personally, I don't view any id value (RIN, REFN, AFN, FSTID) as being stable when it can be edited by the user. In the case of Legacy and RootsMagic, Clooz actually syncs with an internal ID value in the external database that the user does not see. The RIN is shown in Clooz to the user so they can visually match the records in the two databases. If the RINs are reassigned in the external program, Clooz would recognize the current RINs don't match the internal ID anymore, and would change to the RIN value for that same internal ID. The only action with these two databases that would break synchronization is if the user deleted the person in the external database. Thus, I think your desire to avoid RINs is a bit hasty, and ends up making things a lot more complicated (for the user). With Family Historian, they use the RIN as the only internal ID, and assume it to be stable. In order for a user to change it, they would first have to go through some nasty warning messages stating they are about to destroy their database (perhaps not that strong). Other GEDCOM interfaces are a bit weaker in terms of maintaining synchronization. No stable ID values for Family Tree Maker are available to Clooz, for instance. Ancestral Quests id values should be pretty stable. Do keep in mind that if Clooz is synchronized with 2 or more different external databases, it tracks the ID values in each one independently. Even though the same person might be in all the external databases, the person could have a different RIN and internal ID in each, and Clooz would find them. Clooz doesn't assume the RIN for one database is the same in another. The "Primary" designation is what determines which set of synchronization values is active at that moment. Adding the REFN, AFN, FSFTID to the Data Transfer Manager is doable, but that would have to be somewhat hidden. The columns and screen real estate are not big enough to support what could end up being fairly lengthy ID numbers (for both the External program and Clooz). These values are displayable on the main screen of people in Clooz, as I'm sure you are aware. Adding the ID fields to the record forms for each person is also doable, but the values shown would be those relating to the "Primary" database (as designated at that moment). If the primary external file designation is changed, the ID values could change. Thanks for the input. We certainly want to understand how people would like to use Clooz in conjunction with other programs, and make further improvements. Rich Thomas Ancestral Systems LLC > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:clooz- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Smith via > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 1:15 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CLOOZ] Sync'ing Clooz using REFN, AFN, _FSFTID > > After printing and carefully studying the Clooz 3 UserManual, then > experimenting with the program, I have the followingrecommendations for > future editions: > > > Add cells to the Individual's ‘Vitals’ screen for the RINand these GEDCOM- > tagged numbers: REFN, AFN,_FSFTID. > > Add the ability/option to display not just RIN, but alsoREFN, AFN, _FSFTID in > the Data Transfer Manager. > > Add the ability/option to sync using REFN, or AFN, or _FSFTID, instead of > RIN. > > Though impressed with Clooz 3, the lack of these features isfor me a serious > hindrance to using it. The reason is that I want to be able towork with > different genealogy programs (namely Ancestral Quest and > RootsMagic)which otherwise contain the same data. Trying to preserve RIN > numbers ingenealogy programs is a bit like playing Russian Roulette. On the > other hand,the other mentioned items are preserved/stable in situations > where the RIN maynot be. > > > > If Clooz had this additional capability, it could betterserve as a document > manager that is external to, but effectively integratedwith, a lineage-linked > genealogy program. (P.S., switching to Legacy FamilyTree exclusively is not an > option.) > > > Brian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

    05/14/2016 05:32:55