I've never used TMG, but I recently downloaded Legacy and I love it. I have used FTM in the past and much prefer Legacy. You might want to try it - it's free and can be downloaded at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com. (You have to pay for the deluxe version.) I know theoretically I can cut and paste between Clooz and Legacy (or another genealogy program) but have found little opportunity to do so. When fields for document transcriptions and/or abstracts are added to Clooz, I will probably enter that information in Clooz and then copy it into Legacy, or vice-versa. I'm actually still on the fence about Clooz and documents. I like the idea but I'm not sure how helpful it will turn out to be. I've filed my documents by document type and I use these numbers in Legacy as my personal file number when entering source data. I love the way Clooz lets me tie in pictures to people in my genealogy program. But I'm curious as to how are others using Clooz, especially regarding documents. Patty Lill ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Groves-Hurt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Clooz] TMG? > Is "The Master Genealogist" better than Family Tree Maker? What's the > consensus out there? I've only used FTM. > > Okay, is there a way to enter data (not just names) in FTM and then copy it > to CLOOZ or vise-versa? > Can we enter a source with detail and copy it to CLOOZ some way or > Vise-versa? > It sure seems like a lot of typing to re-type the same thing again. > > Thanks for the help and opinions > J. GROVES-HURT > mailto:[email protected] >

I had used FTM for 5-6 years up until 6 months ago when I switched to TMG. I should have made the change years earlier. TMG is far superior to FTM. As someone on this list has stated earlier, the learning curve is steep but the rewards are unlimited if you have the patience to stick with it. FTM decides for you what the program provides. TMG allows the user to make that decision and the choices are, for all practical purposes, unlimited. This of course can be good or bad. I maintain that for the serious genealogist, it is good. My biggest problem with FTM was that it fostered in me a certain "sloppiness" in the entry, i.e., acceptance of data. TMG almost forces you to cite sources and their repositories. FTM was very late in adding source fields to their program and then when they did, they put them in an obscure, out-of-the-way position, easy to overlook. Another problem I had with FTM is the way it was necessary to "tab" to parents, siblings, grand/great grandparents. I was continually losing my place in the tree as I moved around. In TMG, for each person, there are three views - person (with all his/her history), family, and tree. There is a demo on the whollygenes website which I encourage everyone to try out. www.whollygenes.com Now for your Clooz question. I use Clooz for two main purposes, both purposes involve primarily the direct ancestors of my wife and I, hence approximately 250-300 people. I avoided importing problems by entering each of our direct ancestors manually into Clooz. Why? 95% of the documents I possessed were for ancestors, so why worry about entering my other 1700 distantly related people in Clooz? Later possibly, but not up front. 1st Clooz purpose - keep track of source documents so I can locate them readily in my paper files. 2nd Clooz purpose - to have the ability to generate a person report showing all the source documents I possess for that person. This is one of the best research tools that I have found in any program, including TMG. If and when you integrate Clooz with TMG the Clooz document #'s can be put in TMG (use your Clooz document #'s as repositories in TMG and enter them in the TMG citation detail). I still haven't mastered TMG's Creative Report Writer so the documents per person report is not as easily generated (by me) in TMG as it is in Clooz. Clooz and TMG work well together. I also monitor the TMG list and most of the people there speak favorably about Clooz. I enter any document transcriptions and/or abstracts and pictures in TMG only and basically stick with just the two Clooz purposes above, putting just minimum content in Clooz - just enough to identify the document. Hopefully this is responsive to some of your questions. Stephen E. Speltz Durham, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patty Lill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: [Clooz] TMG/Legacy and using Clooz > I've never used TMG, but I recently downloaded Legacy and I love it. I have > used FTM in the past and much prefer Legacy. You might want to try it - > it's free and can be downloaded at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com. (You > have to pay for the deluxe version.) > > I know theoretically I can cut and paste between Clooz and Legacy (or > another genealogy program) but have found little opportunity to do so. When > fields for document transcriptions and/or abstracts are added to Clooz, I > will probably enter that information in Clooz and then copy it into Legacy, > or vice-versa. > > I'm actually still on the fence about Clooz and documents. I like the idea > but I'm not sure how helpful it will turn out to be. I've filed my > documents by document type and I use these numbers in Legacy as my personal > file number when entering source data. I love the way Clooz lets me tie in > pictures to people in my genealogy program. But I'm curious as to how are > others using Clooz, especially regarding documents. > > Patty Lill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Groves-Hurt" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Clooz] TMG? > > > > Is "The Master Genealogist" better than Family Tree Maker? What's the > > consensus out there? I've only used FTM. > > > > Okay, is there a way to enter data (not just names) in FTM and then copy > it > > to CLOOZ or vise-versa? > > Can we enter a source with detail and copy it to CLOOZ some way or > > Vise-versa? > > It sure seems like a lot of typing to re-type the same thing again. > > > > Thanks for the help and opinions > > J. GROVES-HURT > > mailto:[email protected] > > >