Hi I agree with what Stephen has said about using Clooz, I have over 800 documents so far entered into clooz, and found it very helpful in finding were my documents are filed. I use Family Origins, which has a built in report for Clooz, this made it very easy to transfer my files. In Family Origins when putting in a source they also have a repository for each source, I put the Clooz file number in the Call number section. Works great. Regards, Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Speltz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Clooz] TMG/Legacy and using Clooz > I had used FTM for 5-6 years up until 6 months ago when I switched to TMG. > I should have made the change years earlier. TMG is far superior to FTM. > As someone on this list has stated earlier, the learning curve is steep but > the rewards are unlimited if you have the patience to stick with it. FTM > decides for you what the program provides. TMG allows the user to make that > decision and the choices are, for all practical purposes, unlimited. This > of course can be good or bad. I maintain that for the serious genealogist, > it is good. > > My biggest problem with FTM was that it fostered in me a certain > "sloppiness" in the entry, i.e., acceptance of data. TMG almost forces you > to cite sources and their repositories. FTM was very late in adding source > fields to their program and then when they did, they put them in an > obscure, out-of-the-way position, easy to overlook. Another problem I had > with FTM > is the way it was necessary to "tab" to parents, siblings, grand/great > grandparents. I was continually losing my place in the tree as I moved > around. In TMG, for each person, there are three views - person (with all > his/her history), family, and tree. There is a demo on the whollygenes > website which I encourage everyone to try out. www.whollygenes.com > > Now for your Clooz question. I use Clooz for two main purposes, both > purposes involve primarily the direct ancestors of my wife and I, hence > approximately 250-300 people. I avoided importing problems by entering each > of our direct ancestors manually into Clooz. Why? 95% of the documents I > possessed were for ancestors, so why worry about entering my other 1700 > distantly related people in Clooz? Later possibly, but not up front. > > 1st Clooz purpose - keep track of source documents so I can locate them > readily in my paper files. > 2nd Clooz purpose - to have the ability to generate a person report showing > all the source documents I possess for that person. This is one of the best > research tools that I have found in any program, including TMG. If and when > you > integrate Clooz with TMG the Clooz document #'s can be put in TMG (use your > Clooz document #'s as repositories in TMG and enter them in the TMG citation > detail). I still haven't mastered TMG's Creative Report Writer so the > documents per person report is not as easily generated (by me) in TMG as it > is > in Clooz. > > Clooz and TMG work well together. I also monitor the TMG list and most of > the people there speak favorably about Clooz. I enter any document > transcriptions and/or abstracts and pictures in TMG only and basically stick > with just the two Clooz purposes above, putting just minimum content in > Clooz - just enough to identify the document. Hopefully this is responsive > to some of your questions. > > Stephen E. Speltz > Durham, NC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patty Lill" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:35 PM > Subject: [Clooz] TMG/Legacy and using Clooz > > > > I've never used TMG, but I recently downloaded Legacy and I love it. I > have > > used FTM in the past and much prefer Legacy. You might want to try it - > > it's free and can be downloaded at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com. (You > > have to pay for the deluxe version.) > > > > I know theoretically I can cut and paste between Clooz and Legacy (or > > another genealogy program) but have found little opportunity to do so. > When > > fields for document transcriptions and/or abstracts are added to Clooz, I > > will probably enter that information in Clooz and then copy it into > Legacy, > > or vice-versa. > > > > I'm actually still on the fence about Clooz and documents. I like the > idea > > but I'm not sure how helpful it will turn out to be. I've filed my > > documents by document type and I use these numbers in Legacy as my > personal > > file number when entering source data. I love the way Clooz lets me tie > in > > pictures to people in my genealogy program. But I'm curious as to how are > > others using Clooz, especially regarding documents. > > > > Patty Lill > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J. Groves-Hurt" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [Clooz] TMG? > > > > > > > Is "The Master Genealogist" better than Family Tree Maker? What's the > > > consensus out there? I've only used FTM. > > > > > > Okay, is there a way to enter data (not just names) in FTM and then copy > > it > > > to CLOOZ or vise-versa? > > > Can we enter a source with detail and copy it to CLOOZ some way or > > > Vise-versa? > > > It sure seems like a lot of typing to re-type the same thing again. > > > > > > Thanks for the help and opinions > > > J. GROVES-HURT > > > mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. 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