The discussion about the virtues of specific genealogy programs in relation to Clooz is quite interesting. For the benefit of those that are relatively new to genealogy, I would like to make the following points: a.. It is quite safe to say that over 90% of Clooz users were using a genealogy program of some kind and saw the record keeping shortcomings, before they bought Clooz. b.. Each specific program has it's plusses and minuses and no program is perfect for everybody. After all we are all different and you have different needs than I have. c.. It is obvious that all of us, users of different genealogy programs, needed Clooz. If our so-called stand alone program was so great and had everything, we would not buy Clooz. d.. When it comes to importing from specific programs, some are harder than others, but I can tell from experience that Liz does a great job of helping Clooz users with their difficulties. Compare that with almost any other computer program that I know of. You are practically on your own when you run into difficulties. e.. Getting back to specific programs there are websites that compare them, but show me one that is fair to them all and actually compares the very latest versions to each other! Let me end by telling you that Liz is not paying me for this "plug". I am just grateful for the help I've been getting. Yes, I use FTM, have been growing along with Family Tree Maker and now use FTM version 8.0, talk about learning curves for a "senior citizen". let's end this with two quotes from Liz in the latest Clooz manual: a.. "Like the world of genealogy Clooz is rapidly changing" and another one: "If you have suggestions for changes, additions or ideas for future upgrades to Clooz, feel free to send them" Art Lengkeek in Chilliwack, British Columbia, researching Langcake and Longcake in Cumberland and Westmorland, UK, in the 16th and 17th Centuries.