At 10:00 PM 8/27/2006, you wrote: >As I understand it from reading your published user maunel a source >is where a record originates and a record is the information your >interested in within the source. One type of source is a document >which is defined as an original paper relied on as the basis, proof >or support of something. > >I have a Holy Card from a funeral service. That holy card is an >unpublished document given to mourners. Therefore the source is the >holy card itself. The repository is "me" as i am in possession of >the original and funeral homes do not keep the cards in their >records. I also do not believe that they are official business >documents of the funeral home. Also many of the funeral homes are >no longer in existence and their records are destroyed. As a holy >card attests to date of death of an individual as well as to the >funeral home or business that was in charge of the funeral I >recorded it as a death record and then connect both the deceased >person and the business to that record. Tim, this is correct. But how did you link a business to the death record? Clooz isn't set up to do that. > >From your response below I am led to believe that the actual > source is not the holy card itself but the funeral home or > business. Therefore for letters and other unpublished documents > the source would not be the letter or unpublished document itself > but the author of the letter or unpublished document who may or may > not be known. If that is the case I am really misreading the user > manuel I bought. Can you show me where I have gone wrong. "If the burial records are from a cemetery, then the cemetery would be the source and would not need to be linked." If this is what you're referring to, I was too casual in my remark and I apologize. The cemetery is not the source, it is the creator of the source. The source is the particular cemetery records that you're interested in. For example, the Schrader Funeral Home in Plymouth, where I live, creates records when it buries people. So, the source would be the volume name of the book that the record I'm interested came from. The funeral home itself created the record, so it would be the "author." The repository would be wherever the records are kept. A holy card is not a business record of a funeral home, as you stated. You have it right for the holy card. Unpublished documents are sources, not the author of the document. >Moving to a different topic. >I have a business that was owned by my faimily. In this case a >funeral home. i have set the funeral home up as a business. As you >say the purpose of Clooz is to link people or business to >documents. I want to connect that business to every document that >references the funeral home. The funeral home is referenced in >death certificates, cemetery records, newspaper clippings, and holy cards. > >Why would I want to have all of these documents which mention the >funeral home connected to the business and therefore in one >place? For me genealogy is about more than names and dates. It is >also about understanding family dynamics and their lives. If i can >open the business screen for the funeral home and see all of the >people who have contracted with them to do funerals and I see >certain family members missing I am going to ask why. It also helps >me to understand how the business developed over time by how many >funerals it was contracted to service. It also shows which >neighbors, godparents, inlaws and others supported the home. In my >case I also had two cousins who each owned a different funeral home >and were in competition. Seeing who used which funeral home helps >me to understand their competition. While i know this information >is not about names and dates of genealogy, it is important for me in >order to understand the relationships of the different members of! > the family. > >For what it is worth, that is my reasoing for wanting to connect a >business to a death or funeral record. OK, I see that I'm going to have to rethink the business aspect. As you know, businesses are new in Clooz 2, so this is the kind of input I need in order to know how people are using the business links. I have had a special version of Clooz 1.23 for several years that I use at the museum I work at. Businesses have been in it for a while. But, I was just linking them to buildings and generic documents. So, dialog is needed from users so I know how to shape future releases of Clooz. I'm glad to know that adding the businesses is valuable to users. This feature will not be added in version 2.1 because we are mired down in completing the approximately 130+ reports that will be available in that version. So far, we have about 90 of them done, so we still have some work to do. I am shooting now for a late October release of version 2.1, which will also be the CD release for those of you who are waiting for a CD. FYI, version 2.1 will have all the current bugs fixed, including those who can't print 1870 or 1880 US census reports, and others that have been reported. But the most significant additions (aside from the reports) are the ability to print a specific report right from that report's form (like you could do in 1.23), and the ability to link multiple people at the same time instead of opening the link screen for each person (like you could do in 1.23). I think you all will be happy with this addition because there is a check box next to each person's name and you just check each person to link. It's working really well. Also on that same link screen, you'll be able to pull a column header into the area above to group on a column, such as surname, and then sort by given name, so finding people on the link screen is much easier. I, of course, have the in-progress version of 2.1 on my computer and have been entering documents into Clooz (in preparation for my annual trip to Ireland in early October) and have found the improvements in this version much more user-friendly! So, the bottom line is, thanks to everyone who takes the time to make suggestions. That's how we keep making Clooz better. Sometimes the changes aren't quick, but that's because I'm still a one-person show trying to pay for all the programming on a limited budget. But I listen to everyone. So, keep those ideas coming, please! Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org

Thanks Liz! I am glad I have the correct understanding. You are correct I was not able to connect the business to the death record. That was my original question, which you answered the other day. Keep up the great work. Tim -----Original Message----- From: liz@ancestordetective.com To: clooz@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Connecting Businesses to Documents At 10:00 PM 8/27/2006, you wrote: >As I understand it from reading your published user maunel a source >is where a record originates and a record is the information your >interested in within the source. One type of source is a document >which is defined as an original paper relied on as the basis, proof >or support of something. > >I have a Holy Card from a funeral service. That holy card is an >unpublished document given to mourners. Therefore the source is the >holy card itself. The repository is "me" as i am in possession of >the original and funeral homes do not keep the cards in their >records. I also do not believe that they are official business >documents of the funeral home. Also many of the funeral homes are >no longer in existence and their records are destroyed. As a holy >card attests to date of death of an individual as well as to the >funeral home or business that was in charge of the funeral I >recorded it as a death record and then connect both the deceased >person and the business to that record. Tim, this is correct. But how did you link a business to the death record? Clooz isn't set up to do that. > >From your response below I am led to believe that the actual > source is not the holy card itself but the funeral home or > business. Therefore for letters and other unpublished documents > the source would not be the letter or unpublished document itself > but the author of the letter or unpublished document who may or may > not be known. If that is the case I am really misreading the user > manuel I bought. Can you show me where I have gone wrong. "If the burial records are from a cemetery, then the cemetery would be the source and would not need to be linked." If this is what you're referring to, I was too casual in my remark and I apologize. The cemetery is not the source, it is the creator of the source. The source is the particular cemetery records that you're interested in. For example, the Schrader Funeral Home in Plymouth, where I live, creates records when it buries people. So, the source would be the volume name of the book that the record I'm interested came from. The funeral home itself created the record, so it would be the "author." The repository would be wherever the records are kept. A holy card is not a business record of a funeral home, as you stated. You have it right for the holy card. Unpublished documents are sources, not the author of the document. >Moving to a different topic. >I have a business that was owned by my faimily. In this case a >funeral home. i have set the funeral home up as a business. As you >say the purpose of Clooz is to link people or business to >documents. I want to connect that business to every document that >references the funeral home. The funeral home is referenced in >death certificates, cemetery records, newspaper clippings, and holy cards. > >Why would I want to have all of these documents which mention the >funeral home connected to the business and therefore in one >place? For me genealogy is about more than names and dates. It is >also about understanding family dynamics and their lives. If i can >open the business screen for the funeral home and see all of the >people who have contracted with them to do funerals and I see >certain family members missing I am going to ask why. It also helps >me to understand how the business developed over time by how many >funerals it was contracted to service. It also shows which >neighbors, godparents, inlaws and others supported the home. In my >case I also had two cousins who each owned a different funeral home >and were in competition. Seeing who used which funeral home helps >me to understand their competition. While i know this information >is not about names and dates of genealogy, it is important for me in >order to understand the relationships of the different members of! > the family. > >For what it is worth, that is my reasoing for wanting to connect a >business to a death or funeral record. OK, I see that I'm going to have to rethink the business aspect. As you know, businesses are new in Clooz 2, so this is the kind of input I need in order to know how people are using the business links. I have had a special version of Clooz 1.23 for several years that I use at the museum I work at. Businesses have been in it for a while. But, I was just linking them to buildings and generic documents. So, dialog is needed from users so I know how to shape future releases of Clooz. I'm glad to know that adding the businesses is valuable to users. This feature will not be added in version 2.1 because we are mired down in completing the approximately 130+ reports that will be available in that version. So far, we have about 90 of them done, so we still have some work to do. I am shooting now for a late October release of version 2.1, which will also be the CD release for those of you who are waiting for a CD. FYI, version 2.1 will have all the current bugs fixed, including those who can't print 1870 or 1880 US census reports, and others that have been reported. But the most significant additions (aside from the reports) are the ability to print a specific report right from that report's form (like you could do in 1.23), and the ability to link multiple people at the same time instead of opening the link screen for each person (like you could do in 1.23). I think you all will be happy with this addition because there is a check box next to each person's name and you just check each person to link. It's working really well. Also on that same link screen, you'll be able to pull a column header into the area above to group on a column, such as surname, and then sort by given name, so finding people on the link screen is much easier. I, of course, have the in-progress version of 2.1 on my computer and have been entering documents into Clooz (in preparation for my annual trip to Ireland in early October) and have found the improvements in this version much more user-friendly! So, the bottom line is, thanks to everyone who takes the time to make suggestions. That's how we keep making Clooz better. Sometimes the changes aren't quick, but that's because I'm still a one-person show trying to pay for all the programming on a limited budget. But I listen to everyone. So, keep those ideas coming, please! Liz Kelley Kerstens, CG, CGL @>---- Ancestor Detective, LLC http://www.ancestordetective.com Creator of Clooz, http://www.clooz.com Editor of Digital Genealogist, http://www.digitalgenealogist.com Editor of NGS NewsMagazine and UpFront, http://www.ngsgenealogy.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.