I have also been a Clooz user since the beginning. It does as advertised, it keeps track of my documents. I don't except it to do anything additional. The features that Liz has added over the years in the way of templates covers a very wide variety of possibilities. Many of which I have no use for, but I wouldn't think to ask her to remove them because they don't fit my purposes. I just don't use them. I consider it's interaction with Legacy, even if on a limited basis, to be above and beyond. What about the users of TMG, PAF, FTM etc. Should she have to design a program to interact with all of them as well? What is the responsibility of the programers from these other genealogy programs to create codes that interact with Clooz? Perhaps the solution is for Dick and Gary to band together, design their own program, pay their own software people, ask ALL their users for suggestions, then incorporate ALL of their suggestions into THEIR program. Or it might be easier if they just used the "unsubscribe" info at the bottom of the page. Marie Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C. --------------------------------------------------------------- CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. In a message dated 10/19/2006 11:02:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, jgarner@tbaytel.net writes: I have used Clooz since the first version was released and have found it to be a very useful product. Liz has always supplied excellent supprot for the program. Naturally there will be those who have no use for the program and may complain about it. But in my opinion it performs as I expected and I think it is great. If Mr. Davis is so dissatisfied with Clooz 2.0 I wonder why he bothers with this message board. Also if he believes those who speak out against the program will be removed from the list, how is it that he is still on it? Rather than Legacy I use Clooz along with Family Tree Maker. The two go good together. Keep up the good work, Liz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Davis" <Dick.Davis@verizon.net> To: <clooz@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [CLOOZ] Question on Clooz/Legacy Source Interaction > Gary - I am very glad you posted as I have used cloozed and was one of > the beta testers to see the new functionality. I provided numerous > points to make the program better, get it to where it was "not a > re-entry" of the legacy data and provide a breakdown and such for the > various features that could be added to make the program useful. After > working with Liz for more than 5 months - and providing numerous design > flows, methods of making the program a true companion - she flat out > told me that "you don't know what you are talking about, and the program > will remain as designed". Well at that point, I close my ability to work > with her, and provide any new recommendations. What I have found is that > the program is nothing more than a new interface and such for a program > that caused more re-entry of duplicate data and really did not add to > any analysis of research data already held. > > I don't know what Ken's plans are - but he could take this and run with > it to the point that he has an outstanding product. But I think that > this would be out of his vision for the Legacy product as he has > provided numerous other vendors to supply companions that could easy be > added. > > In summary - Clooz V2 is only a "new coat of paint" on a cracked wall > and the plaster is falling. I have talked with a guy about a similiar > product that would ready the Legacy data, be a true companion and would > be able to tell you information - such as if you know the birth date, > and location, then the marriage date and location, then the death date > and location - well there are a number of census records that you can > get. the scheme would create a search on the Internet and then provide > back the results. Also, their would be a profile for an individual that > would provide a listing of all the documents currently held, those that > could be obtained and then if you want to create a real "to do > research" listing. But I guess programming is a slow process and the > development of code is tedious - but from the last communication that I > had with him, he is progressing - just at a slower pace than I would > want to be experiencing at this point. > > Also, be aware that since you spoke out against clooz, you will most > like be removed from the list and then black listed from re-subscribing. > Liz has a definite set of blinders on and really has not done a lot of > true capabilty enhancements to the product. Sorry if negative, but same > as you frustrated great with the lack of something that seems so needed > and simple. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOOZ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message